What are these strange things called off….days? Several Cubs spent the day relaxing on their west coast travel day, and they even get one on the way back too. It certainly beats 3+ weeks with no breaks other than the Reds. West coast series suck all around, but at least only one game is a night game.
Team Leaders
Cubs
- OBP: Dexter Fowler (.400)
- ISO: Anthony Rizzo (.285)
- HR: Kris Bryant (26)
- R+RBI: Bryant (150)
- wRC+: Rizzo (155)
- BSR: Bryant (3.7)
- SP K/9: Jake Arrieta (9.31)
- SP BB/9: Kyle Hendricks (2.47)
- SP FIP: Arrieta (3.00)
- RP K/9: Carl Edwards (12.18)
- RP BB/9: Hector Rondon (1.06)
- RP FIP: Edwards (2.08)
- WAR: Bryant (5.4)
A’s
- OBP: Josh Reddick (.368)
- ISO: Khris Davis (.262)
- HR: Davis (27)
- R+RBI: Davis (122)
- wRC+: Danny Valencia (128)
- BSR: Billy Burns (3.5)
- SP K/9: Sean Manaea* (7.70)
- SP BB/9: Manaea* (2.37)
- SP FIP: Manaea* (4.21)
- RP K/9: Marc Rzepcynski (9.29)
- RP BB/9: Zachary Neal (0.51)
- RP FIP: Ryan Dull (3.39)
- WAR: Marcus Semien* (1.8)
*Former Cub and now former A Rich Hill was the leader in all of these categories until the trade deadline. It was pretty tough picking off these leaders when several of them ended up being either traded or sent to the minors.
Pitching Matchups
K/9, BB/9, ERA, FIP, projected ERA listed for each starter.
Freya’s day: Jon Lester, LHP (8.77, 2.66, 2.95, 3.89, 3.33) vs Dillon Overton, LHP (5.40, 2.95, 9.33, 9.30, 5.31), 9:05 PM CT
Lester’s peripherals aren’t as good as I would have guessed, but that ERA number is still doing just fine. It’s not just that more fly balls are leaving the yard, he’s also walking a few more batters than he did last year. Still, it’s kind of funny to see him having a 83.5% strand rate. Not that holding runners on really has anything to do with it, but somehow they’re connected in my head anyway.
Based on his projection line, Overton is cannon fodder that the A’s are hoping to soak up whatever innings he can for their shambles of a pitching staff. I can’t wait for him to no-hit the Cubs through seven innings. He was wrecked by the Giants and Cleveland for 13 runs in 6.1 innings in his two bad starts, his two ‘good’ ones were six runs over 12 innings against the Astros and the Los Angeles Mike Trout of Anaheim.
Saturn’s day: Jake Arrieta, RHP (9.31, 3.28, 2.75, 3.00, 2.69) vs Sonny Gray, RHP (7.38, 3.41, 5.84, 4.79, 3.64), 3:05 PM CT
Arrieta’s walk rate is the highest it’s been since he became a Cub, which brings him back down to earth and ‘really good’ from the dizzying heights of ‘destroyer of worlds’ that we saw in last year’s stretch run. That whole weak contact thing still is working out just fine.
Gray, meanwhile, has been an utter disaster this year. Scouting the statline the main culprits seem to be a spike in HR/FB, sequencing (63.8% strand rate), and maybe some bad defense too (.321 BABIP despite a mere 18% LD rate). His strikeout and walk rates regressed a bit but not nearly enough to explain this lost season. Teams that coveted him last year (the Cubs among them) must be heaving a sigh of relief that Beane didn’t want to deal him.
SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY: Kyle Hendricks, ACE (7.73, 2.51, 2.22, 3.33, 3.59) vs Sean Manaea, LHP (7.70, 2.24, 4.68, 4.21, 4.33), 3:05 PM CT
Last week’s shutout aside, Hendricks still isn’t a goes deep into games kind of pitcher, but at least he’s removed any uncertainty over the Cubs playoff rotation.
Manaea is the best pitcher on the A’s kind of by default. He’s been pretty streaky all year, but he really settled down in July, going four straight starts without issuing a walk. The wheels came off a bit in his last start against LAMToA, so it would be nice if the Cubs catch him in a cold streak.
Comments
Peasants! Arst thou conversing?
SKQuote Reply
SK,
How was vacation?
dmick89Quote Reply
dmick89,
Good times. My wife and I spent a week walking the Camino de Santiago de Compostela in Spain. We only did a short version — 75 miles — but it was still a challenge because I’m not used to walking 7 hours a day. Glad to say I was able to finish it without any major embarrassment or injury other than a sore ankle and a couple blisters.
I see the Cubs had a good week too.
SKQuote Reply
Nay, m’lord!
berseliusQuote Reply
Verily, but wherefor? Morning after off day?
SKQuote Reply
Look how short Montero is: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpEE12sUkAEOR4B.jpg:large
JonKneeVQuote Reply
JonKneeV,
Yeah, but he’s got big hands, unlike this guy
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/08/05/yes-donald-trumps-hands-are-actually-pretty-small/
SKQuote Reply
SK,
(dying laughing)
dmick89Quote Reply
I’d love love for Hendricks to start going deeper. Right now I feel like he’s just acheiving the tip of his potential, and I for one want more than just the tip.
EdwinQuote Reply
https://twitter.com/MOutfielder/status/761532937544359936
SKQuote Reply
SK,
I didn’t even know La Stella didn’t show up. I’ve been busy with a new dog (rescue) so I’ve had my hands full with her.
dmick89Quote Reply
Edwin,
I don’t know. I’m fine with it, but I kind of feel like none of the Cubs starters should be pitching in the 7th inning or later if the score is tied or they have a modest lead (say 2 or 3 runs).
If they’re behind they’d probably be out by that time anyway.
dmick89Quote Reply
I really like this.
ceruleanQuote Reply
dmick89,
I was just trying to make a crass (and very very very very funny) sex word play joke. By the number of upvotes I’ve received, it totally worked.
EdwinQuote Reply
Edwin,
Pitchers get worse each time through the order. Part of the reason Hendricks’ rate numbers are so good is that hitters aren’t getting so many looks at him.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
Edwin,
Yeah, I got the joke, but I’ve read frequently (not necessarily here) that he should be pitching deeper into games.
dmick89Quote Reply
I’d say you hit that one off the end of the bat, poking it just short of making the shortstop work to stop the ball before it could drop like the prepubescent euphemism it was.
ceruleanQuote Reply
Overton is an interesting arm that should absolutely not be part of a rotation yet. That said, I will enjoy the no-hitter into the seventh before the grandslam after three consecutive walks to end it.
#pitchersDuelToLaugher
ceruleanQuote Reply
dmick89,
I agree. I think pulling a pitcher before they let up the big inning is a big part of being a good manager. Times Through the Order is sort of a new concept for a lot of managers, so good on the Cubs for being forward thinking and finding ways to get the most out of their pitchers.
EdwinQuote Reply
Edwin,
And it helps that the bullpen is now a strength.
ceruleanQuote Reply
cerulean,
Exactly. With Strop, Rondon, Chapman and if one needs a breather then you’ve got Edwars and Grimm.
dmick89Quote Reply
SK,
Moline is pretty nice. I could see him stopping there and just never getting to Des Moines.
uncle daveQuote Reply
uncle dave,
I prefer Rock Island, and, at a pinch, Geneseo.
SKQuote Reply
Reddick and Burns are both gone
GWQuote Reply
(dying laughing), fuck you, Billy Beane
berseliusQuote Reply
And Montgomery.
And Wood.
And Smith.
And Nathan.
And Cahill.
And Patton.
And all your relief pitchers are belong to Theo.
ceruleanQuote Reply
I was going to post about how the demented fake Yellon twitter posted a hilarious lineup earlier, and now see that @Cubs took it and ran with it (dying laughing)
https://twitter.com/Cubs/status/761664916243775488
SKQuote Reply
Soler —————-> real lineup
SKQuote Reply
Dorf on golf.
Wenningtons Gorilla CockQuote Reply
SK,
(dying laughing), at Cubs is the best
berseliusQuote Reply
Nathan——>DFA
PerkinsQuote Reply
Perkins,
I’m guessing Grimm heads back to AAA when Hammel gets back, maybe a Joe Smith DFA for Cahill. TLS might axe Coghlan too.
berseliusQuote Reply
berselius,
I still don’t understand the CC for TLS move. Did 3AM shit in Joe’s Mueslix?
SKQuote Reply
Thinking about extensions for the (pre-)arbitration Cubs:
It occurs to me that for the same price of $450M for six more years of Arrieta and Bryant, they could probably lock up Contreras ($50M), Baez ($60M), Almora ($40M), Russell ($60M), La Stella ($40M), Edwards ($10M), Rondon ($50M), Schwarber ($60M), and Hendricks ($80M).
I am spitballing the numbers that I feel the players might find enticing enough to delay a payday for a bit of security, but it is just spitballing. I think Hendricks drives the hardest bargain, and at least one simply refuses to sign, but it seems about true. It makes a lot more sense for the team in both payroll impact and trade value, even if one ends up busting, because imagine if any of them have a Rizzo-like break out.
ceruleanQuote Reply
Dex!
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
Dexter!!!
dmick89Quote Reply
cerulean,
I probably would trim that list down. No way would I even consider extending Almora or Edwards at this point. Or La Stella. I’d like to see Contreras every day behind the plate before I’d consider locking him up too.
dmick89Quote Reply
Come on, Jorge.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
I hope Soler gets off to a hot start. He was starting to heat up before the injury.
SOLER!!!
dmick89Quote Reply
Jorge!
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
These rehab assignments do wonders.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
I fee sorry for this pitcher. (dying laughing)
dmick89Quote Reply
This defense is TERRIBLE.
umbraQuote Reply
Good god, Lincecum is a mess. I’m disappointed the Cubs will miss him (if indeed he ever pitches again).
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
It was a thought experiment—hard to fill up the $450M that Bryant and Arrieta might reasonably be had for. I do think that Edwards and Almora might be had for bargains given their floors and ceilings.
ceruleanQuote Reply
Also, DEXTER!!!! SOLER!!!!
Belated, but still.
Zo!!
ceruleanQuote Reply
cerulean,
True, but what are the odds would even end up paying Edwards that much were they to go year to year? That’s not all that much of a bargain if at all.
dmick89Quote Reply
This terrible defense just hurt Addison Russell. They are the worst.
umbraQuote Reply
Baez!
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
Baez!!
ceruleanQuote Reply
The over-under on the number of position players the A’s will use to pitch relief is now set at 0.5.
umbraQuote Reply
Kudos to Screech for sticking in there.
umbraQuote Reply
Bryant looks like shit tonight.
dmick89Quote Reply
I just saw the replay. The ’Dorf should be fined. That is not okay.
ceruleanQuote Reply
Stop giving up hits, Jon.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
Chapman will get $15M/year. Edwards has the stuff to close. Let’s say that he has a 50% chance of a sub-3.00 FIP with about 10/4 K/BB/9IP and a 10% chance of a sub-2.50 FIP with 11/3. If he is not very good, maybe he earns $4M through his arb years. If he is good, the 50% chance, he gets $16M. If he is lights out, the 10% chance, he gets $24M (assuming continued inflation of the position). It’s not much of a gamble. However, if he is really good, that is an asset at a fixed cost that has a lot of value.
Rondon is getting $4.2M which is supposed to be 40% FMV, right? That’s $10.5M/year. Wood has made about $16M in total, though that has to do with his MVP season than anything else. Even so. Relief pitchers can get expensive.
Speaking of Edwards, maybe he should come relieve Lester.
ceruleanQuote Reply
Great pitch by Lester there.
ceruleanQuote Reply
Lift Lester, please.
ceruleanQuote Reply
Baez!!
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
ROOGY Smith comes in with Alonso leading off, for some reason.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
Wow, that’s a lot of foul territory.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
That was blowout I recently enjoyed. Should have been more of a blowout though.
ceruleanQuote Reply
cerulean,
I don’t think there’s a 50% chance he has a sub 3 FIP. It’s very likely we’ll see his walk rate more than double and his strikeout rate will come down. There’s literally no risk on the Cubs side to wait this one out. He won’t be getting any or many save opps so his arbitration value even in 3 years will be low. I would not even entertain signing him for $5 million at this point. He’ll be worth the same in a year or two as he would be now unless he becomes dominating at which point you’d be glad to pay a little extra. I see signing him, Almora and La Stella as unnecessary at this point. You’ve got time and in my opinion, they need to take the time on the guys to figure out how good they are. Same thing with Contreras.
dmick89Quote Reply
http://obstructedview.net/cubs-7-2-8-5-16/
berseliusQuote Reply
dmick89,
Edwards got wild in 2014. Something was off. He now looks like the highly touted prospect he was after 2013. I am not saying they should, but I am saying that it would be a shrewd move that I wouldn’t be able to talk myself out of.
ceruleanQuote Reply
Let’s guess at what the possible long term value of Edwards could be in terms of dollars.
2016: $500,000
2017: $500,000
2018: $500,000
2019: $750,000 – $3,000,000
2020: $900,000 – $6,000,000
2021: $1,200,000 – $12,000,000
This assumes he’s healthy and good enough to stick around. If not, it’s even lower than above. Max value in my opinion is $22.5 million. There’s as good a chance he’s worth that in the end as there is that he’s worth under a million bucks.
Carlos Marmol made $23 million in his career and he was fairly dominant for a rather long period. Not just a couple weeks.
Odds are overwhelming at this point that he never makes a total of $10 million in Major League Baseball. Unless there’s something I’m missing, Almora looks like a 4th outfielder to me and Contreras has some sketchy defense behind the plate, but does have a canon for an arm.
I’m not sure the Cubs have any young players at the moment other than Bryant that I’d want to lock up. I’d try really hard to lock him up. I’d like to see some more improvement at the plate for Russell before locking him up.
I’d do as much as possible to get Kris to sign a long term deal.
dmick89Quote Reply