John Allen Muhammad, one of the two DC Snipers, plead not guilty. He was later found guilty and sentenced to death. He was killed by the government in November 2009.
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Anyone know where to find a decent win expectancy chart online? I’m curious as to what the Cubs win expectancy was before and after the Thing That Happened Ten Years Ago Today, and also what the win expectancy would have been had The Thing That Happened Ten Years Ago Today not had happened to Moises Alou.
Also, I will physically fight anyone that argues that The Wire was not the best show in history. It also had the best series finale ever (despite an up and down overall final season), but we won’t come to blows if you argue it with me.
And Myles, I’m glad I’m not the only person that thinks of life events like poker hands. I think about life-pot odds a lot.
Yeah, MASH was another good example of the luck/good writing thing. Not only did Potter replace Blake, and Klinger (kind of) Radar, you had BJ replace Trapper and Charles replace Frank. It gave Alda lots of different dynamics with which to work as Hawkeye (and to a lesser extent, Hot Lips as well).
A lot of that was luck in timing and such, but the writers made those new characters just as important as the ones they were replacing.
If we’re going to talk about it, the bottom line is that the Cubs fucked it up. Gonzalez, Prior, Alou, and then the next day Wood pitching like shit, though he did bring his bat at least. Just another example of them, the team and no one else, choking. That play had shit to do with it.
@ sitrick:
That’s the first time I’ve heard someone say it had the best finale. I didn’t think the finale was that memorable and the only reason I even know which episode you’re talking about is that I rewatched the series earlier this year.
@ dmick89:
Agree on the players being 100% responsible for losing that series. I remember thinking after the (dying laughing) play that it was kind of a dumb move by the fan but shit happens & it still looks good for the Cubs to finish it off. I was pissed that they imploded and didn’t even think too much about the (dying laughing) play.
Wood coming out and looking shaky (at best) in Game 7 sucked but when he hit that homer to get the lead, I thought the Cubs were going to the Series. That thought didn’t last long either. (dying laughing)
I guess (dying laughing) doesn’t mean dying laughing any more (dying laughing). I could probably count the times I used (dying laughing) other than on this site (and ACB) without running out of digits (toes/fingers not numbers).
After Alou put it on the street, I thought, “Holy shit, we just took the Baseball Gods’ best punch and we’re still here.” Then I realized there was a ton of baseball left to play.
@ cwolf:
I think everybody was upset and was upset with Bartman right away. I don’t remember what the announcers did, but they sure didn’t help. Moises Alou was the worst though. I know I reacted to his his reaction in the moment. I think it was difficult for anyone watching the game on tv to not initially blame the fan. What’s unfathomable about it is that the Sun Times published his address and hours, weeks, months and years later people didn’t yet realize how stupid it was to blame a fan.
When I think back to this day and this series, it’s a game and series the Cubs lost, but what that fan lost is far, far worse.
@ cwolf:
Wood tied it. Alou put them ahead.
After Alou put it on the street, I thought, “Holy shit, we just took the Baseball Gods’ best punch and we’re still here.” Then I realized these were the Cubs.
The Marlins beat Wood and Prior. If you would have asked 100 random Cubs fans if it was possible to do that before the series all of them would have said no. The Marlins were good at baseball.
@ cwolf:
What’s unfathomable about it is that the Sun Times published his address and hours, weeks, months and years later people didn’t yet realize how stupid it was to blame a fan.
When I think back to this day and this series, it’s a game and series the Cubs lost, but what that fan lost is far, far worse.
No doubt about it. For the guy to be vilified and threatened like that is ridiculous. Did the Sun-Times really publish his address? I don’t remember that but I don’t pay too much attention to media stuff.
That’s the first time I’ve heard someone say it had the best finale. I didn’t think the finale was that memorable and the only reason I even know which episode you’re talking about is that I rewatched the series earlier this year.
*spoilers*
The funeral scene, Bubbs coming up the stairs and his NA monologue, the way everything was wrapped up…..I dunno. They really found it in the last three episodes of that season. And the finale is still my favorite episode from that show to go back and watch.
@ sitrick:
OK, yeah, Bubbs had some very powerful scenes in that episode. I agree. I definitely remember those. I had a lot easier than Bubbs had it, but every little inch of trust you gain back from the family you caused to mistrust you is a momentous occasion. That was awesome seeing that.
Still, I’d have a very hard time saying it’s the best finale. The Wire was a great show. You’ll never get any argument from me about that. I don’t agree it’s the best finale.
Should we fight after school? Parking lot? Football field?
“The Sun-Times is guilty of being the first to announce Bartman’s home address in an online story, however, as the employer of Jay Mariotti at the time, no one expected any journalistic integrity from their sports department.”
@ SVB:
You’re right SVB but the S-T didn’t need Mariotti to have a complete lack of journalistic integrity. That paper has been a cesspool for decades.
It doesn’t sound like the Sun-Times published his home address (1 hour, 3 minutes in). They did, however, publish his name, hometown, and where he worked.
SVB wrote:
@ Myles:
Maybe not. I’m still on season 2 of Friday Night Lights. But I did see all of House of Cards
Oh, you mean those two shows I’ve never seen?
complete list of shows i have ever seen:
-saved by the bell
-fresh prince
-the o.c. (fuck off)
-seasons 4/5/6 of the simpsons
-a few seasons of futurama
-most extreme challenge
-firefly
-arrested development x 100000000
i don’t think i’ve ever watched a complete episode of any other show. i just can’t seem to watch tv. oddly enough, i love movies.
yeah i seem to recall his name unofficially being reported right away, but there was like a refusal of the MSM to report any details due to the pure hatred being directed towards the poor guy. then the sun-times said “fuck it” and went ahead and published. then everyone else followed. i’m not sure if the trib ever actually ever published his name though, at least for a really long time.
@ dmick89:
I don’t like describing their failure as “choking.” That verb implies a failure of nerves (e.g., the World English Dictionary defines it as “(esp in sport) to be seized with tension and fail to perform well”).
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Anyone know where to find a decent win expectancy chart online? I’m curious as to what the Cubs win expectancy was before and after the Thing That Happened Ten Years Ago Today, and also what the win expectancy would have been had The Thing That Happened Ten Years Ago Today not had happened to Moises Alou.
GBTSQuote Reply
@ GBTS:
Someone tweeted (I can’t remember who) earlier this morning that it went from 95% to 92% after The Happening.
sitrickQuote Reply
@ sitrick:
I think it was Karl Ravech, but not sure.
Aisle424Quote Reply
Also, I will physically fight anyone that argues that The Wire was not the best show in history. It also had the best series finale ever (despite an up and down overall final season), but we won’t come to blows if you argue it with me.
And Myles, I’m glad I’m not the only person that thinks of life events like poker hands. I think about life-pot odds a lot.
sitrickQuote Reply
Wow. I would have thought the DC sniper deal happened a few years after TTTHTYAT. Weird how memory (or maybe it’s just mine) works sometimes.
cwolfQuote Reply
I don’t care who wins the NLCS, so long as the Cardinals lose.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
@ SVB:
Yeah, MASH was another good example of the luck/good writing thing. Not only did Potter replace Blake, and Klinger (kind of) Radar, you had BJ replace Trapper and Charles replace Frank. It gave Alda lots of different dynamics with which to work as Hawkeye (and to a lesser extent, Hot Lips as well).
A lot of that was luck in timing and such, but the writers made those new characters just as important as the ones they were replacing.
Aisle424Quote Reply
http://tangotiger.net/archives/stud0163.shtml
Tango posted a link to this WPA for that game.
dmick89Quote Reply
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHN/CHN200310140.shtml
dmick89Quote Reply
If we’re going to talk about it, the bottom line is that the Cubs fucked it up. Gonzalez, Prior, Alou, and then the next day Wood pitching like shit, though he did bring his bat at least. Just another example of them, the team and no one else, choking. That play had shit to do with it.
dmick89Quote Reply
@ sitrick:
That’s the first time I’ve heard someone say it had the best finale. I didn’t think the finale was that memorable and the only reason I even know which episode you’re talking about is that I rewatched the series earlier this year.
dmick89Quote Reply
@ cwolf:
Same here. I thought for sure the list I was looking at was wrong, but after a search I realized I just had a poor memory.
dmick89Quote Reply
@ dmick89:
Agree on the players being 100% responsible for losing that series. I remember thinking after the (dying laughing) play that it was kind of a dumb move by the fan but shit happens & it still looks good for the Cubs to finish it off. I was pissed that they imploded and didn’t even think too much about the (dying laughing) play.
Wood coming out and looking shaky (at best) in Game 7 sucked but when he hit that homer to get the lead, I thought the Cubs were going to the Series. That thought didn’t last long either. (dying laughing)
cwolfQuote Reply
I guess (dying laughing) doesn’t mean dying laughing any more (dying laughing). I could probably count the times I used (dying laughing) other than on this site (and ACB) without running out of digits (toes/fingers not numbers).
cwolfQuote Reply
@ cwolf:
Wood tied it. Alou put them ahead.
After Alou put it on the street, I thought, “Holy shit, we just took the Baseball Gods’ best punch and we’re still here.” Then I realized there was a ton of baseball left to play.
Aisle424Quote Reply
@ cwolf:
I think everybody was upset and was upset with Bartman right away. I don’t remember what the announcers did, but they sure didn’t help. Moises Alou was the worst though. I know I reacted to his his reaction in the moment. I think it was difficult for anyone watching the game on tv to not initially blame the fan. What’s unfathomable about it is that the Sun Times published his address and hours, weeks, months and years later people didn’t yet realize how stupid it was to blame a fan.
When I think back to this day and this series, it’s a game and series the Cubs lost, but what that fan lost is far, far worse.
dmick89Quote Reply
Aisle424 wrote:
dmick89Quote Reply
The Marlins beat Wood and Prior. If you would have asked 100 random Cubs fans if it was possible to do that before the series all of them would have said no. The Marlins were good at baseball.
dmick89Quote Reply
@ Aisle424:
Thanks, Aisley. As I was typing my comment I was trying to remember if Wood’s HR got the lead or tied it up.
Your second sentence summed up my thoughts perfectly.
dmick89 wrote:
No doubt about it. For the guy to be vilified and threatened like that is ridiculous. Did the Sun-Times really publish his address? I don’t remember that but I don’t pay too much attention to media stuff.
cwolfQuote Reply
dmick89 wrote:
This does tend to get forgotten in the whole discussion. That was a good fucking baseball team.
cwolfQuote Reply
@ cwolf:
That’s what 424 tweeted earlier. Crazy.
dmick89Quote Reply
Bartman’s name and address were published on message boards. I never saw anything about it being published in the Sun-Times.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
dmick89 wrote:
*spoilers*
The funeral scene, Bubbs coming up the stairs and his NA monologue, the way everything was wrapped up…..I dunno. They really found it in the last three episodes of that season. And the finale is still my favorite episode from that show to go back and watch.
sitrickQuote Reply
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/7888784-419/documentary-revisits-bartman-fallout.html
Aisle424Quote Reply
Aisle424 wrote:
That’s fucked up. And I don’t think “credited’ is right – despicable would be better.
cwolfQuote Reply
@ sitrick:
OK, yeah, Bubbs had some very powerful scenes in that episode. I agree. I definitely remember those. I had a lot easier than Bubbs had it, but every little inch of trust you gain back from the family you caused to mistrust you is a momentous occasion. That was awesome seeing that.
Still, I’d have a very hard time saying it’s the best finale. The Wire was a great show. You’ll never get any argument from me about that. I don’t agree it’s the best finale.
Should we fight after school? Parking lot? Football field?
dmick89Quote Reply
@ dmick89:
Somebody didn’t read every word (dying laughing)
sitrickQuote Reply
Aisle424 wrote:
fixed
SVBQuote Reply
@ sitrick:
I can’t read. Missouri is so close it’s rubbing off on me.
dmick89Quote Reply
@ SVB:
You’re right SVB but the S-T didn’t need Mariotti to have a complete lack of journalistic integrity. That paper has been a cesspool for decades.
cwolfQuote Reply
dmick89 wrote:
Speaking of, @BestFansStLouis is in rare form tonight.
Aisle424Quote Reply
dmick89 wrote:
FLAGGED
GBTSQuote Reply
The documentary is on Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6NsWdRfgAk
wow @57:03
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
It doesn’t sound like the Sun-Times published his home address (1 hour, 3 minutes in). They did, however, publish his name, hometown, and where he worked.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
Wikipedia says his address appeared on message boards minutes after the game ended, however: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bartman_incident#For_Bartman
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
Myles wrote:
complete list of shows i have ever seen:
-saved by the bell
-fresh prince
-the o.c. (fuck off)
-seasons 4/5/6 of the simpsons
-a few seasons of futurama
-most extreme challenge
-firefly
-arrested development x 100000000
i don’t think i’ve ever watched a complete episode of any other show. i just can’t seem to watch tv. oddly enough, i love movies.
EnricoPallazzoQuote Reply
Rizzo the Rat wrote:
yeah i seem to recall his name unofficially being reported right away, but there was like a refusal of the MSM to report any details due to the pure hatred being directed towards the poor guy. then the sun-times said “fuck it” and went ahead and published. then everyone else followed. i’m not sure if the trib ever actually ever published his name though, at least for a really long time.
EnricoPallazzoQuote Reply
@ cwolf:
I haven’t read it long enough to know, so decided not to resort to Hyperbole!
SVBQuote Reply
@ dmick89:
I don’t like describing their failure as “choking.” That verb implies a failure of nerves (e.g., the World English Dictionary defines it as “(esp in sport) to be seized with tension and fail to perform well”).
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
The term just gets on my nerve because it’s used often by people who moralize sports narratives (pro athletes should be prepared for the big game!).
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
New Shit
http://obstructedview.net/minor-leagues/stars-of-tomorrow-cubs-minor-league-recap-101413.html
MylesQuote Reply