Just get a jump on everyone and start making predictions for the 2035 Cubs lineup. Guessing the name of whoever the Cubs draft in 2034 and projecting them as a starter for 2035 makes about as much sense as penciling in Bryant for 2014, in my opinion.
I think Mike Olt will be in the starting lineup next year. He’s going to make huge strides on his knuckleball in the off-season, and its not like there’s anyone blocking him.
CF: 2033 IFA signing
2B: 2032 #1 Draft Pick (he was slow to develop)
3B: 2013 #1 pick (Very long career ahead of Bryant)
SS: 2011 #1 pick (Hall of Famer at this point)
1B: 2034 #1 pick
C: 2034 IFA signing
RF: 2034 IFA signing
LF: 2033 #1 pick
Closer: Kevin Gregg
But still, I think CHI will be picking closer to 19-20 next year. If so, and Michigan OT Taylor Lewan is still on the board as this link suggests (hint: He won’t), your LT spot would be locked up for the next decade.
I think Miami OT Seantrel Henderson is more realistic (unless he has the type of year he is capable of having). Boom or bust, but Henderson has a chance to be special. 6’8″, 340 with excellent feet and good punch.
@ Omar Little:
Well considering the potential overhaul the Bears will be going through this offseason, I think defensive line and secondary are going to be the first 3 picks next year. Not to mention possibly QB if they don’t re-sign Cutler.
Aren’t the online radio feeds for football similar to baseball, where you need to buy some subscription? I tried to listen to WBBM last night on my ipad, but after the game started the radio app went blank. I didn’t think you could just go to the website and directly stream them.
@ Omar Little:
Well considering the potential overhaul the Bears will be going through this offseason, I think defensive line and secondary are going to be the first 3 picks next year. Not to mention possibly QB if they don’t re-sign Cutler.
The strength of next year’s draft at this point looks to be edge rushers, CBs and WRs.
The good thing about the WCO is QBs are pretty replaceable. There are several guys that should be available day 2-3 that could step in right away: McCarron (Bama) and Murray (Georgia) immediately come to mind.
@ Edwin:
I stream it from nfl.com for free. I can’t speak to if that works on a tablet device, as I haven’t tried it, but it’s free from a regular computer.
@ Mucker:
If you can’t get it any other way, Jeff Joniak in one of the best play-by-play people I’ve ever heard, of any sport. It’s cool too because if you’re busy you can tune it or turn it down and just listen for “Touch down! Touch down BEAAAARS!”
Seriously, if you know the game at all, you’ll instantly understand what is happening, because the man is a painter with words.
I was hesitant to listen to Bears on the radio at first too because I figured it would be incomprehensible. Now I prefer listening to watching.
I’ve always had a soft spot for good radio guys. Back in the day both the Blackhawks and Bulls were simulcast on WBBM radio and the old SportsVision, which was awesome. You’d get the radio call while watching on TV. Both Jim Durham and Pat Foley (before he went TV only and got old) were solid mile-a-minute radio PbP guys.
I did not know that Durham’s replacement, Tom Dore, is 7’2″. I’m going to guess he’s the tallest play-by-play guy in broadcasting history.
@ Omar Little:
I’m pretty sure calling QBs “replaceable” counts as a hate crime to the average football fan.
22 starters on an NFL team (not counting P, PR, K, KR, etc.) and QB record is still a stat…
There’s a reason SF had outstanding QB play for about 20 years, and it wasn’t luck. Bill Walsh implemented a system that requires QBs to be smart and accurate. In an NFL where everyone was looking for Marino, Walsh just needed a guy like Jeff Garcia to make it.
@ Omar Little:
If the Bear OL holds up decently well, I doubt the Bears go LT in next year’s draft with Bushrod still under contract. Don’t forget Long is considered a player that may be able to move over eventually.
I’m greedy for offensive weapons, but if Earl Bennett continue to be injured all the time and Alshon isn’t all that great, I’d love to get De’Anthony Thomas in the first round and put him immediately in a Randall Cobb roll. Plus he could take over for Hester’s return duties.
@ JonKneeV:
I don’t know what Yellon is saying, but I can understand this argument FWIW. Generally speaking, the expected financial gain by doing this isn’t large enough to justify it IMO. Maybe it is here. I don’t know, but I think players should be promoted when they’re ready. Or instead of ready, when they’ve earned it. I don’t like the service time shenanigans. I understand it and as long as the system is as it currently is, it will continue. There’s incentive for it.
I’d like the next MLBPA to do away with that incentive.
Take Rizzo for example. The Cubs didn’t really save anything by waiting when you think about it. Unless you think he’d have gotten a larger contract, which i don’t, I think it’s difficult to argue that it accomplished anything.
I wish amateur players had some way to get a say in MLBPA talks. It’s shitty that they end up joining a system in which they have absolutely no say, and have nobody to look out for their best interests at any time throughout the negotiating process. I think getting rid of the MLB draft entirely and going to a pure FA system would be interesting, as well as getting rid of all the service time stuff.
@ Omar Little:
If the Bear OL holds up decently well, I doubt the Bears go LT in next year’s draft with Bushrod still under contract. Don’t forget Long is considered a player that may be able to move over eventually.
I’m greedy for offensive weapons, but if Earl Bennett continue to be injured all the time and Alshon isn’t all that great, I’d love to get De’Anthony Thomas in the first round and put him immediately in a Randall Cobb roll. Plus he could take over for Hester’s return duties.
As I’ve said, the WCO devalues OL a bit (and QBs). However, if CHI is picking at 20 and Taylor Lewan is on the board, they’ll run the card to the podium. No brainer BPA.
Offensively, I think they’d be wise to find a TE like Oregon’s Colt Lyerla to pair with Marty B and run 12 personnel all day.
I’m excited to see what Tavon Austin can do (he’s so quick in space), but I’ve said (and still say) that I think he’s more Dexter McCluster than Percy Harvin.
@ JonKneeV:
There’s a lot of assumptions made in that comment. Most importantly, that he’d even be around the big leagues that long, which is a very hard task, which most players are not capable of completing. Yeah, Rizzo was at the higher end of the probability than some others, but it was still lower than your question is implying.
That’s one thing I don’t like about it. It assumes that the player will get to that point, which shouldn’t be the assumption. It also assumes that the value the club will gain will be somewhat significant. For most players, it will not be. Actually, for most players it’s a meaningless game that teams have just become used to playing and continue to do so. The financial gain is relatively small for nearly all the players and, it should be pointed out, should be spread across the life of the contract. If the Cubs saved $3 million through this, they saved $3 million over 7 years. Is that really a big deal? And that’s a larger saving than most players will end up getting.
For those superstars, you could probably save $10 million. Again, that’s spread out over 7 years so even for the best of the best, it’s still a small figure.
The other implication (not necessarily one you made) that is often made is that after year 6 the player is gone. That’s not true. The Cubs have big pockets and can afford to keep those they want.
Not to mention, if the player is all that good, the young guys are usually getting locked up so there really is no money saved. It’s become a fallback and nothing more.
@ uncle dave:
The current Blackhawks guys now are pretty good. I basically never watch hockey on TV for a variety of reasons, and I know very little about the nuances of the sport, but they make it understandable.
Take Rizzo as an example again. There was little doubt at all that the Cubs would extend him if he proved to be any good. The Cubs didn’t actually leave him down in AAA to protect that extra year. They had some plan that included at least 2 months at Iowa and he absolutely raked. At that point, they realized the MLB team sucked so they may as well wait a bit until they call him up. They were probably a few weeks away from that cutoff and figured, what the fuck, we’ll wait.
I like how JD makes a lot of pop culture references that are maybe just a little before Len’s time, so he doesn’t react. Because usually Len is all over that shit.
@ Rice Cube:
I love how they’ve been beating the Cardinals (last series and this game), but got swept by the Reds. They’re spoiling the Cards in more ways than one.
Comments
Omar Little wrote:
I’m happy with a first round pick on the line but I don’t know about a 5th rounder.
MuckerQuote Reply
World Series party. (dying laughing)
dmick89Quote Reply
aside: http://obstructedview.net/commentary-and-analysis/eloy-jimenez-should-be-cubs-rf-in-2014.html
dmick89Quote Reply
Mucker wrote:
I meant, are you happy with their play? I haven’t watched any of their games, but from the sound of it, both rooks played well.
Omar LittleQuote Reply
dmick,
Just get a jump on everyone and start making predictions for the 2035 Cubs lineup. Guessing the name of whoever the Cubs draft in 2034 and projecting them as a starter for 2035 makes about as much sense as penciling in Bryant for 2014, in my opinion.
EdwinQuote Reply
I think Mike Olt will be in the starting lineup next year. He’s going to make huge strides on his knuckleball in the off-season, and its not like there’s anyone blocking him.
joshQuote Reply
Cubs 2035 lineup
CF: 2033 IFA signing
2B: 2032 #1 Draft Pick (he was slow to develop)
3B: 2013 #1 pick (Very long career ahead of Bryant)
SS: 2011 #1 pick (Hall of Famer at this point)
1B: 2034 #1 pick
C: 2034 IFA signing
RF: 2034 IFA signing
LF: 2033 #1 pick
Closer: Kevin Gregg
dmick89Quote Reply
@ josh:
It might be the only future ahead of him. He’s Brett Jacksonian.
dmick89Quote Reply
@ dmick89:
it’s looking bad. he needs a seminar from Shark this off-season.
joshQuote Reply
@ Omar Little:
I don’t live in the Chicago area so I don’t get the preseason games. That’s great to hear that they are playing well though.
MuckerQuote Reply
@ Mucker:
WBBM is online for free. BAM!
joshQuote Reply
@ josh:
What is that?
MuckerQuote Reply
http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/43901/344/preseason-lottery-mock
I know, I know…
But still, I think CHI will be picking closer to 19-20 next year. If so, and Michigan OT Taylor Lewan is still on the board as this link suggests (hint: He won’t), your LT spot would be locked up for the next decade.
I think Miami OT Seantrel Henderson is more realistic (unless he has the type of year he is capable of having). Boom or bust, but Henderson has a chance to be special. 6’8″, 340 with excellent feet and good punch.
Omar LittleQuote Reply
@ Mucker:
The radio feed. I almost always listen to the Bears on the radio (or feed) so I can do other things while the game is going.
joshQuote Reply
@ josh:
There is no way I could listen to any type of sporting event on the radio. I’m a visual guy, I’ve got to watch.
MuckerQuote Reply
@ Omar Little:
Well considering the potential overhaul the Bears will be going through this offseason, I think defensive line and secondary are going to be the first 3 picks next year. Not to mention possibly QB if they don’t re-sign Cutler.
MuckerQuote Reply
Sandberg ——–> Phillies manager (probably)
BerseliusQuote Reply
@ josh:
Aren’t the online radio feeds for football similar to baseball, where you need to buy some subscription? I tried to listen to WBBM last night on my ipad, but after the game started the radio app went blank. I didn’t think you could just go to the website and directly stream them.
EdwinQuote Reply
@ Berselius:
The Cubs universe is going to become uninhabitable now.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
Mucker wrote:
The strength of next year’s draft at this point looks to be edge rushers, CBs and WRs.
The good thing about the WCO is QBs are pretty replaceable. There are several guys that should be available day 2-3 that could step in right away: McCarron (Bama) and Murray (Georgia) immediately come to mind.
Omar LittleQuote Reply
@ Edwin:
I stream it from nfl.com for free. I can’t speak to if that works on a tablet device, as I haven’t tried it, but it’s free from a regular computer.
joshQuote Reply
Oh, and Oakland is totally going to Clown for Clowney this year.
Go ahead and start watching Clowney highlights, dmick. He’ll be your starting RDE next season.
Omar LittleQuote Reply
I mean the link is from nfl.com (or chicagobears.com), not the stream.
joshQuote Reply
Of course, if you live in Champaign-Urbana, both the Bears and Cubs are now rebroadcast on FM radio.
joshQuote Reply
@ Mucker:
If you can’t get it any other way, Jeff Joniak in one of the best play-by-play people I’ve ever heard, of any sport. It’s cool too because if you’re busy you can tune it or turn it down and just listen for “Touch down! Touch down BEAAAARS!”
Seriously, if you know the game at all, you’ll instantly understand what is happening, because the man is a painter with words.
joshQuote Reply
I was hesitant to listen to Bears on the radio at first too because I figured it would be incomprehensible. Now I prefer listening to watching.
joshQuote Reply
@ Omar Little:
I’m pretty sure calling QBs “replaceable” counts as a hate crime to the average football fan.
joshQuote Reply
NFL Network shows every preseason game, too.
Omar LittleQuote Reply
josh wrote:
I’ve always had a soft spot for good radio guys. Back in the day both the Blackhawks and Bulls were simulcast on WBBM radio and the old SportsVision, which was awesome. You’d get the radio call while watching on TV. Both Jim Durham and Pat Foley (before he went TV only and got old) were solid mile-a-minute radio PbP guys.
I did not know that Durham’s replacement, Tom Dore, is 7’2″. I’m going to guess he’s the tallest play-by-play guy in broadcasting history.
uncle daveQuote Reply
josh wrote:
22 starters on an NFL team (not counting P, PR, K, KR, etc.) and QB record is still a stat…
There’s a reason SF had outstanding QB play for about 20 years, and it wasn’t luck. Bill Walsh implemented a system that requires QBs to be smart and accurate. In an NFL where everyone was looking for Marino, Walsh just needed a guy like Jeff Garcia to make it.
Trestman should know, he was in SF for two years.
Omar LittleQuote Reply
LMAO
Yellon is arguing in the comments that keeping Rizzo down last year to get an extra arb year and avoid Super 2 wasn’t worth it. Holy shit.
JonKneeVQuote Reply
@ Omar Little:
If the Bear OL holds up decently well, I doubt the Bears go LT in next year’s draft with Bushrod still under contract. Don’t forget Long is considered a player that may be able to move over eventually.
I’m greedy for offensive weapons, but if Earl Bennett continue to be injured all the time and Alshon isn’t all that great, I’d love to get De’Anthony Thomas in the first round and put him immediately in a Randall Cobb roll. Plus he could take over for Hester’s return duties.
JonKneeVQuote Reply
@ JonKneeV:
I don’t know what Yellon is saying, but I can understand this argument FWIW. Generally speaking, the expected financial gain by doing this isn’t large enough to justify it IMO. Maybe it is here. I don’t know, but I think players should be promoted when they’re ready. Or instead of ready, when they’ve earned it. I don’t like the service time shenanigans. I understand it and as long as the system is as it currently is, it will continue. There’s incentive for it.
I’d like the next MLBPA to do away with that incentive.
Take Rizzo for example. The Cubs didn’t really save anything by waiting when you think about it. Unless you think he’d have gotten a larger contract, which i don’t, I think it’s difficult to argue that it accomplished anything.
dmick89Quote Reply
I wish amateur players had some way to get a say in MLBPA talks. It’s shitty that they end up joining a system in which they have absolutely no say, and have nobody to look out for their best interests at any time throughout the negotiating process. I think getting rid of the MLB draft entirely and going to a pure FA system would be interesting, as well as getting rid of all the service time stuff.
EdwinQuote Reply
@ dmick89:
An extra arb year for Rizzo wasn’t worth keeping him in AAA during a 101 loss season?
JonKneeVQuote Reply
JonKneeV wrote:
As I’ve said, the WCO devalues OL a bit (and QBs). However, if CHI is picking at 20 and Taylor Lewan is on the board, they’ll run the card to the podium. No brainer BPA.
Offensively, I think they’d be wise to find a TE like Oregon’s Colt Lyerla to pair with Marty B and run 12 personnel all day.
I’m excited to see what Tavon Austin can do (he’s so quick in space), but I’ve said (and still say) that I think he’s more Dexter McCluster than Percy Harvin.
Omar LittleQuote Reply
@ JonKneeV:
There’s a lot of assumptions made in that comment. Most importantly, that he’d even be around the big leagues that long, which is a very hard task, which most players are not capable of completing. Yeah, Rizzo was at the higher end of the probability than some others, but it was still lower than your question is implying.
That’s one thing I don’t like about it. It assumes that the player will get to that point, which shouldn’t be the assumption. It also assumes that the value the club will gain will be somewhat significant. For most players, it will not be. Actually, for most players it’s a meaningless game that teams have just become used to playing and continue to do so. The financial gain is relatively small for nearly all the players and, it should be pointed out, should be spread across the life of the contract. If the Cubs saved $3 million through this, they saved $3 million over 7 years. Is that really a big deal? And that’s a larger saving than most players will end up getting.
For those superstars, you could probably save $10 million. Again, that’s spread out over 7 years so even for the best of the best, it’s still a small figure.
The other implication (not necessarily one you made) that is often made is that after year 6 the player is gone. That’s not true. The Cubs have big pockets and can afford to keep those they want.
Not to mention, if the player is all that good, the young guys are usually getting locked up so there really is no money saved. It’s become a fallback and nothing more.
dmick89Quote Reply
@ uncle dave:
The current Blackhawks guys now are pretty good. I basically never watch hockey on TV for a variety of reasons, and I know very little about the nuances of the sport, but they make it understandable.
joshQuote Reply
Take Rizzo as an example again. There was little doubt at all that the Cubs would extend him if he proved to be any good. The Cubs didn’t actually leave him down in AAA to protect that extra year. They had some plan that included at least 2 months at Iowa and he absolutely raked. At that point, they realized the MLB team sucked so they may as well wait a bit until they call him up. They were probably a few weeks away from that cutoff and figured, what the fuck, we’ll wait.
dmick89Quote Reply
SSSHHHHH! Everybody quiet down, I’m trying to watch the game.
joshQuote Reply
Nice start to this Cubs game I see.
Suburban kidQuote Reply
Teehee. Westbrook is westbroken.
joshQuote Reply
I like how JD makes a lot of pop culture references that are maybe just a little before Len’s time, so he doesn’t react. Because usually Len is all over that shit.
Suburban kidQuote Reply
Arrieta ——————–> I’ve seen worse
Suburban kidQuote Reply
https://twitter.com/KimDeJesus9/status/368450925980942336 @David_DeJesus3 When I text you 15 sentences and you respond with ‘ok’, is that your way of asking me to change the locks?
dmick89Quote Reply
While I hate giving up outs, I like the squeeze.
Suburban kidQuote Reply
BerseliusQuote Reply
The Cubs won? Is that still allowed?
Rice CubeQuote Reply
@ Rice Cube:
I love how they’ve been beating the Cardinals (last series and this game), but got swept by the Reds. They’re spoiling the Cards in more ways than one.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
It warms my heart to watch the Cards lose. That is all.
joshQuote Reply
Good god, Sori’s on a tear.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
@ Rizzo the Rat:
We used to see him do stuff like that back in the day, but it’s been awhile.
joshQuote Reply
He’s tied the 4-day RBI mark. And he’s almost brought his OBP up to .300.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
Baez (dying laughing). You guys gotta see his walk off
http://smokiesonradio.com/2013/08/16/video-javier-baez-walk-off-home-run-august-16-2013/
JonKneeVQuote Reply
Look at him get to a knee to hit that out. 31 HRs so far this year
JonKneeVQuote Reply
@ JonKneeV:
I like how he stays on the knee to watch it go. (dying laughing)
dmick89Quote Reply
@ JonKneeV:
The Cubs are going to need to trade Vitters for a new supply of Gatorade, considering how much was dumped on Baez yesterday (dying laughing).
BerseliusQuote Reply
@ Berselius:
That wouldn’t be a bad haul for Vitters at this point.
dmick89Quote Reply
@ Rizzo the Rat:
Go Sori Go!
Suburban kidQuote Reply
new shit: http://obstructedview.net/minor-leagues/jot-cubs-minor-league-recap-8-16-13.html
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