So that gun in s5e1 is definitely for the uncle and his crew. I imagine Walt doesn’t do any cooking or they want him to cook more since they kill a cop. But holy shit I was on the edge of my seat that whole desert scene. When Walt told them it was off you knew it wasn’t.
So if Gomez and Hank dies, I guess Marie is the only one who can tell the police about Walt?
She would look crazy. Her husband just died (I assume)* and she’s accusing her decrepit brother-in-law with cancer of being the largest meth dealer in the Southwest.
sitrick wrote:
“The DEA is here.” That’s all you had to fucking say, Walt. Jesus.
I had a feeling Jack was going to coerce Walt into cooking no matter what during their meeting.
Sure, but I don’t think Jack is cowboying up with a posse if he thinks he’s heading into a DEA sting.
This last season is so “final act of a greek tragedy” to me…I love it and hate it. The characters are making such stupid, hubristic decisions and everyone’s going to die because of it.
Sure, but I don’t think Jack is cowboying up with a posse if he thinks he’s heading into a DEA sting.
Maybe not if Walt exaggerated the situation, but I doubt he thought that far ahead in the moment. It’s also possible that Jack would have gone in even if he knew the DEA was there just to make sure Walt didn’t get arrested.
@ Omar Little:
Maybe she tells skyler and Jr then and gets them on her side? It would at least be investigated since 2 DEA agents show up dead and then Walt couldn’t cook
@ WaLi:
I honestly think it’s more likely that Marie tries to kill Walt at this point. She already knows Skyler is all in with Walt.
We do know that Heisenberg’s identity comes out. The only way I figure that happens (especially given that I think Skyler and Jr are marked for death at this point) is if Marie talks. I don’t think the Nazis are the types to use turning Walt in as leverage; I was thinking maybe they find the money and use that, but it just occurred to me that it would be far more Breaking Bad if they don’t, and threaten/go after his family instead. Walt having his money but no family to leave it to makes a ton of sense given what we know.
I’m also wondering at this point if Jesse isn’t an Ophelia-type character and if he’s going to be driven so mad that he offs himself.
Did we get a decent look at how far apart the two groups were? Obviously if the camera was facing them it would zoom in so we could actually see their faces. Handguns have pretty shitty accuracy. That said I have no idea how Devil and his sighted rifle didn’t hit anyone.
@ dmick89:
I believe they showed a couple of views from behind Devil and it didn’t look all that far away……maybe 50 feet? A couple of guys had assault rifles and that auto shotty Devil had should have had a pretty wide shot radius and gave Hank and Gomez at least some pellet damage.
MB….I’ll have to watch again because now I don’t remember.
There was a bit where it looked at first like gomez got hit, but he was just resting against the wheel well of the car. I don’t think anybody’s actually been hit yet.
I’m thinking we’re going to see at least one dead body at the opening of the next episode. Not much to say about this one, other than just…wow. I think the ‘holy shit’ factor here was as high as maybe any episode other than “Half Measures” or “Salud.”
My big question is what the hell is Jesse doing? He made a move to leave the car, right?
I think the ‘holy shit’ factor here was as high as maybe any episode other than “Half Measures” or “Salud.”
Half Measures was the biggest “holy shit” moment for me. Jaw hit the floor when Walt ran over them and went through the floor when he capped one. Two quick moments that I didn’t see coming because Walt didn’t seem capable of it at the time.
Salud surprised me more than last night’s, but it was so cool. Box Cutter, imo, had the most “holy shit” moment of the season.
Last night’s moment for me, was when they first saw the vehicles coming. Everything after played out pretty much how I imagined when they rolled up and I kind of figured it would happen, but the scene was shot so amazingly.
@ Omar Little:
I’m with you Ryno. When Walt ran them over and shot the one guy, I don’t think I said anything for about 2 mins. I just sat there in a stunned daze.
What are everyone’s predicitions? I’m thinking Hank’s call to Marie was the last call he’ll ever make. I think him and Gomez are for sure dead. What about Jesse? He seemed to open the door at the end…..did he possibly make a run for it? Where does that leave Walt? We know somebody scribbled Heizenberg in his house so could that have been Marie? Such a great episode.
@ Omar Little: @ Mucker:
Yeah, I think “Half Measures” wins (both on the holy shit factor and simply by being the best episode in the whole run to date). I was watching that episode by myself and recall jumping out of my chair and shouting obscenities for about a minute. But part of that, I think, was that you could still be shocked by the bad behavior from Walt at that point. After that (and “Full Measures”) there was little question that things would just get worse.
Half Measures is, imo, the best episode of any show ever. What’s funny to me is that its only rival, imo, is also the penultimate episode of the third season (out of five) of The Wire.
But part of that, I think, was that you could still be shocked by the bad behavior from Walt at that point.
Yeah. Walt typically pushed Jesse into the dirty work before that, iirc. I remember that being the point where the Walt–>Heisenberg transformation took a leap forward (and ended in Crawl Space).
I don’t know. As for all this what’s more holy shit: Half Measures, Salud or To’hajiilee, I think it depends. Half Measures or Box Cutter was actually the biggest holy shit moments for me before last night, but I’m putting last night’s above it.
I knew Hank was dead the moment Walt started talking openly on that phone. Hank got his win right there and the cuffs were just to show us that win and make it more devastating. Then the phone call to Marie, well, that was just too much.
What was more surprising? Half Measures. I had no idea what was going to happen and jumped when Walt ran them over. I didn’t know what Gus was going to do, but figured it would be some fucked up shit. I was amazed at how awesome that scene was. Still am.
I don’t think last night’s surprised me more. It didn’t make me jump at any point, but for 15 minutes I was as tense as I’d ever been watching television. I didn’t flinch, I didn’t look away, I didn’t think about anything else at all, but what was happening. It was the most engrossed I’d ever been at any tv show.
The last 15 to 20 minutes were so awesome that I didn’t feel the least bit cheated when the episode ended mid gunfight. The only thing I felt was the need to go have a cigarette, catch my breath and I didn’t mind one bit having to wait a week to see the conclusion of the scene. In a way, I was just glad the episode ended.
Forgetting about how great it was and how it compares, we all assume Hank is dead, right? I don’t see any possible chance of him surviving that scene. Jesse? Surely he’ll get as proper a sendoff as Hank got in this episode. I think it’s safe to say he sneaks away into the reservation and turns up later.
Walt is even more pissed at him now and would, I’m assuming, have no problem killing him himself at this point. Does Jesse die next week?
@ dmick89:
I agree regarding those 15 minutes or so. I was standing with my jaw dropped and my heart pounding. It isn’t like it was surprising persay, but it was intense.
I need to remember to never read the comments on reviews for this or any other show.
“Walt wouldn’t talk like that on the phone to Jesse.” “Walt wouldn’t leave that book out like that.” “Walt wouldn’t do this.” “Walt wouldn’t do that.” “He’s too smart to do that.”
Walt is smart. There’s no doubt about that, but he’s human and smart criminals do stupid shit all the time. Besides, Walt has never ever been a smart criminal. In fact, Walt has mostly been a stupid, criminal who gets himself and others in jams and only then uses his intelligence to get himself out of it.
Besides, it’s fiction. This show isn’t real and hasn’t strived to be.
These people who think Walt is the one person on Earth who is mistakeless are insane. I feel like maybe they haven’t even watched the same show.
@ WaLi:
Definitely. I had a similar feeling to Maureen Ryan: @ WaLi:
Holy shit!
Take a minute, take some deep breaths. If you’re anything like me, you need them.
The highest compliment I can give “Breaking Bad” is to say it made me feel ill.
It was actually on the second viewing that I was nearly overwhelmed by a sense of nauseous dread; a physical feeling of sickness. You’d think knowing what was coming would make the incredible second half of “To’hajiilee” easier to bear, but that knowledge had the opposite effect.
I felt physically ill watching the last 10 minutes. You knew the uncle was coming no matter what, and the longer Hank savored the arrest, the more likely he was going to die.
Possibly the most emotionally riveting scene in television history. I’m trying to think of valid comparisons
Walt burying the money at the scene of he and Jesse’s first cook was a nice touch. Just shows how his emotional connection towards Jesse continues to cloud his judgment, in ways he may or may not even realize. The whole point of burying the money was so that he would be the only person on earth who knew where it was.Then, out of anywhere in the entire fucking New Mexico desert, he goes and buries it in a spot that Jesse would know.
Also, pretty bush league of Walt to call Jesse a coward, considering he had just called a band of Nazis to murder him because he didn’t have the stones to do it himself.
@ GBTS:
I can’t think of any. I’d even extend it past 10 minutes. It was really 15 to 20 minutes for me. It was kind of excruciating and that phone call to Marie was awful. I was certain a bullet would fly threw Hank’s head as he was on that phone.
@ GBTS:
It was a great scene. Walt couldn’t believe the two were working together and was for the first time disgusted with Jesse. Hank is disgusted by Jesse for two reasons, but one of them stands out to me: Hanks despises people who use drugs and think they’re worthless. Walt has never had that attitude toward Jesse’s use.
Not that Walt is better than Hank. They’re both kind of despicable at this point though the best of the two award still goes to Hank in a landslide.
By the way, they’ve done a fantastic job with Hank this season. Everybody felt so sorry for the guy early on, but his ego of taking down Heisenberg has made him in some ways as bad as Walt. Still a great scene to see him get his win even though it’s short lived and will be crushing to Marie and probably everyone else in the show. That money is gone now. Walt is owned by the Nazis and Jesse? I just hope he was able to sneak away. No way does he die in the desert, but I’m thinking his last episode is this week.
Simmons or Sal floated the idea on their podcast that the Nazis could end up getting Jesse to cook for them instead of Walt, and that the guns etc. from the flash forward were Walt trying to save Jesse.
@ Berselius:
I heard that somewhere and I don’t know about that. Jesse was in the process of ratting and I get the feeling Uncle Jack and crew don’t like rats. If Jesse has disappeared I could see Walt saying he’ll give them some money to save Jesse’s life at which point the Nazis would just take all the money. And probably still try to kill Jesse.
@ Berselius:
I’m kind of excited about this. I love the Saul character and think Odenkirk has real potential as the star of a show. I’ll definitely watch it to start out.
@ Berselius:
I think this has real legs. They know Jesse can cook blue. How Walt escapes from Hank’s car in handcuffs unscathed is beyond me, but if the Nazis capture Jesse alive then maybe they just force him to cook. Although I could also see Jesse saying no and being killed.
Just remembered that Walt left the waitress at Denny’s a $100 tip in the open to Live Free or Die Hard and then purchased some rather expensive weapons. Hard to believe a poor man is spending money like that so can we safely assume that Walt does have his fortune? Maybe the Nazis get it in the desert, but to me this is a man who has cash and lots of it. If the Nazis took the cash and Walt got it back then the weapons aren’t for them.
@ WaLi:
I had figured that Walt would somehow give it away. Or Jesse if the Nazis caught him. Didn’t we see him trying to sneak away? I could definitely see them catching Jesse and wanting to kill him because he’s a rat and Walt tries to buy his life. I don’t know. I just figured since they were there that money was gone, but if they do find it, I think he gets at least some of it back at some point.
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BerseliusQuote Reply
So that gun in s5e1 is definitely for the uncle and his crew. I imagine Walt doesn’t do any cooking or they want him to cook more since they kill a cop. But holy shit I was on the edge of my seat that whole desert scene. When Walt told them it was off you knew it wasn’t.
WaLiQuote Reply
So if Gomez and Hank dies, I guess Marie is the only one who can tell the police about Walt?
WaLiQuote Reply
“The DEA is here.” That’s all you had to fucking say, Walt. Jesus.
sitrickQuote Reply
Holy. Shit.
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WaLi wrote:
She would look crazy. Her husband just died (I assume)* and she’s accusing her decrepit brother-in-law with cancer of being the largest meth dealer in the Southwest.
*What a scene between Hank and Marie, btw.
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sitrick wrote:
I had a feeling Jack was going to coerce Walt into cooking no matter what during their meeting.
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Omar Little wrote:
Sure, but I don’t think Jack is cowboying up with a posse if he thinks he’s heading into a DEA sting.
This last season is so “final act of a greek tragedy” to me…I love it and hate it. The characters are making such stupid, hubristic decisions and everyone’s going to die because of it.
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sitrick wrote:
Maybe not if Walt exaggerated the situation, but I doubt he thought that far ahead in the moment. It’s also possible that Jack would have gone in even if he knew the DEA was there just to make sure Walt didn’t get arrested.
sitrick wrote:
I think that’s been the direction of the show from the beginning.
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Omar Little wrote:
A very fair point.
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@ Omar Little:
Maybe she tells skyler and Jr then and gets them on her side? It would at least be investigated since 2 DEA agents show up dead and then Walt couldn’t cook
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@ WaLi:
I honestly think it’s more likely that Marie tries to kill Walt at this point. She already knows Skyler is all in with Walt.
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Omar Little wrote:
We do know that Heisenberg’s identity comes out. The only way I figure that happens (especially given that I think Skyler and Jr are marked for death at this point) is if Marie talks. I don’t think the Nazis are the types to use turning Walt in as leverage; I was thinking maybe they find the money and use that, but it just occurred to me that it would be far more Breaking Bad if they don’t, and threaten/go after his family instead. Walt having his money but no family to leave it to makes a ton of sense given what we know.
I’m also wondering at this point if Jesse isn’t an Ophelia-type character and if he’s going to be driven so mad that he offs himself.
sitrickQuote Reply
Kid, don’t drink and drive. But if you do, make sure to call me.
BerseliusQuote Reply
Jesus christ those Nazis are terrible shots.
MuckerQuote Reply
Mucker wrote:
Clearly you haven’t watched any Indiana Jones movies recently. Or Blues Brothers.
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@ Berselius:
That just seemed overly ridiculous that nobody got hit with a bullet or slug.
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@ Mucker:
Did we get a decent look at how far apart the two groups were? Obviously if the camera was facing them it would zoom in so we could actually see their faces. Handguns have pretty shitty accuracy. That said I have no idea how Devil and his sighted rifle didn’t hit anyone.
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@ Mucker:
I thought Gomez did get hit.
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@ dmick89:
I believe they showed a couple of views from behind Devil and it didn’t look all that far away……maybe 50 feet? A couple of guys had assault rifles and that auto shotty Devil had should have had a pretty wide shot radius and gave Hank and Gomez at least some pellet damage.
MB….I’ll have to watch again because now I don’t remember.
MuckerQuote Reply
There was a bit where it looked at first like gomez got hit, but he was just resting against the wheel well of the car. I don’t think anybody’s actually been hit yet.
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sitrick wrote:
I’m thinking we’re going to see at least one dead body at the opening of the next episode. Not much to say about this one, other than just…wow. I think the ‘holy shit’ factor here was as high as maybe any episode other than “Half Measures” or “Salud.”
My big question is what the hell is Jesse doing? He made a move to leave the car, right?
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sitrick wrote:
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uncle dave wrote:
Half Measures was the biggest “holy shit” moment for me. Jaw hit the floor when Walt ran over them and went through the floor when he capped one. Two quick moments that I didn’t see coming because Walt didn’t seem capable of it at the time.
Salud surprised me more than last night’s, but it was so cool. Box Cutter, imo, had the most “holy shit” moment of the season.
Last night’s moment for me, was when they first saw the vehicles coming. Everything after played out pretty much how I imagined when they rolled up and I kind of figured it would happen, but the scene was shot so amazingly.
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@ Omar Little:
I’m with you Ryno. When Walt ran them over and shot the one guy, I don’t think I said anything for about 2 mins. I just sat there in a stunned daze.
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@ Mucker:
Totally. The end of Crawl Space was close too. I had chills for the final two minutes when Walt’s breaking bad process was officially official.
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What are everyone’s predicitions? I’m thinking Hank’s call to Marie was the last call he’ll ever make. I think him and Gomez are for sure dead. What about Jesse? He seemed to open the door at the end…..did he possibly make a run for it? Where does that leave Walt? We know somebody scribbled Heizenberg in his house so could that have been Marie? Such a great episode.
MuckerQuote Reply
@ Mucker:
I think Hank and Gomez are dead. I think Marie trashes the White house (not 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., obviously).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9T7SJUIQFo
“Everyone dies in this movie.”
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uncle dave wrote:
Maybe Hank and Gomie left a rocket launcher next to the car, just off camera. You never know.
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@ Berselius:
It might just work.
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@ Omar Little:
@ Mucker:
Yeah, I think “Half Measures” wins (both on the holy shit factor and simply by being the best episode in the whole run to date). I was watching that episode by myself and recall jumping out of my chair and shouting obscenities for about a minute. But part of that, I think, was that you could still be shocked by the bad behavior from Walt at that point. After that (and “Full Measures”) there was little question that things would just get worse.
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@ uncle dave:
The only rocket launchers are the ones we don’t hear about beforehand.
BerseliusQuote Reply
Some of these moments were relatively short. Last night’s seemed to last an eternity.
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@ uncle dave:
Half Measures is, imo, the best episode of any show ever. What’s funny to me is that its only rival, imo, is also the penultimate episode of the third season (out of five) of The Wire.
uncle dave wrote:
Yeah. Walt typically pushed Jesse into the dirty work before that, iirc. I remember that being the point where the Walt–>Heisenberg transformation took a leap forward (and ended in Crawl Space).
Omar LittleQuote Reply
I don’t know. As for all this what’s more holy shit: Half Measures, Salud or To’hajiilee, I think it depends. Half Measures or Box Cutter was actually the biggest holy shit moments for me before last night, but I’m putting last night’s above it.
I knew Hank was dead the moment Walt started talking openly on that phone. Hank got his win right there and the cuffs were just to show us that win and make it more devastating. Then the phone call to Marie, well, that was just too much.
What was more surprising? Half Measures. I had no idea what was going to happen and jumped when Walt ran them over. I didn’t know what Gus was going to do, but figured it would be some fucked up shit. I was amazed at how awesome that scene was. Still am.
I don’t think last night’s surprised me more. It didn’t make me jump at any point, but for 15 minutes I was as tense as I’d ever been watching television. I didn’t flinch, I didn’t look away, I didn’t think about anything else at all, but what was happening. It was the most engrossed I’d ever been at any tv show.
dmick89Quote Reply
The last 15 to 20 minutes were so awesome that I didn’t feel the least bit cheated when the episode ended mid gunfight. The only thing I felt was the need to go have a cigarette, catch my breath and I didn’t mind one bit having to wait a week to see the conclusion of the scene. In a way, I was just glad the episode ended.
Forgetting about how great it was and how it compares, we all assume Hank is dead, right? I don’t see any possible chance of him surviving that scene. Jesse? Surely he’ll get as proper a sendoff as Hank got in this episode. I think it’s safe to say he sneaks away into the reservation and turns up later.
Walt is even more pissed at him now and would, I’m assuming, have no problem killing him himself at this point. Does Jesse die next week?
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@ dmick89:
I agree regarding those 15 minutes or so. I was standing with my jaw dropped and my heart pounding. It isn’t like it was surprising persay, but it was intense.
WaLiQuote Reply
I need to remember to never read the comments on reviews for this or any other show.
“Walt wouldn’t talk like that on the phone to Jesse.” “Walt wouldn’t leave that book out like that.” “Walt wouldn’t do this.” “Walt wouldn’t do that.” “He’s too smart to do that.”
Walt is smart. There’s no doubt about that, but he’s human and smart criminals do stupid shit all the time. Besides, Walt has never ever been a smart criminal. In fact, Walt has mostly been a stupid, criminal who gets himself and others in jams and only then uses his intelligence to get himself out of it.
Besides, it’s fiction. This show isn’t real and hasn’t strived to be.
These people who think Walt is the one person on Earth who is mistakeless are insane. I feel like maybe they haven’t even watched the same show.
dmick89Quote Reply
@ WaLi:
Definitely. I had a similar feeling to Maureen Ryan: @ WaLi:
dmick89Quote Reply
I felt physically ill watching the last 10 minutes. You knew the uncle was coming no matter what, and the longer Hank savored the arrest, the more likely he was going to die.
Possibly the most emotionally riveting scene in television history. I’m trying to think of valid comparisons
GBTSQuote Reply
Walt burying the money at the scene of he and Jesse’s first cook was a nice touch. Just shows how his emotional connection towards Jesse continues to cloud his judgment, in ways he may or may not even realize. The whole point of burying the money was so that he would be the only person on earth who knew where it was.Then, out of anywhere in the entire fucking New Mexico desert, he goes and buries it in a spot that Jesse would know.
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Also, pretty bush league of Walt to call Jesse a coward, considering he had just called a band of Nazis to murder him because he didn’t have the stones to do it himself.
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@ GBTS:
I can’t think of any. I’d even extend it past 10 minutes. It was really 15 to 20 minutes for me. It was kind of excruciating and that phone call to Marie was awful. I was certain a bullet would fly threw Hank’s head as he was on that phone.
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@ GBTS:
It was a great scene. Walt couldn’t believe the two were working together and was for the first time disgusted with Jesse. Hank is disgusted by Jesse for two reasons, but one of them stands out to me: Hanks despises people who use drugs and think they’re worthless. Walt has never had that attitude toward Jesse’s use.
Not that Walt is better than Hank. They’re both kind of despicable at this point though the best of the two award still goes to Hank in a landslide.
By the way, they’ve done a fantastic job with Hank this season. Everybody felt so sorry for the guy early on, but his ego of taking down Heisenberg has made him in some ways as bad as Walt. Still a great scene to see him get his win even though it’s short lived and will be crushing to Marie and probably everyone else in the show. That money is gone now. Walt is owned by the Nazis and Jesse? I just hope he was able to sneak away. No way does he die in the desert, but I’m thinking his last episode is this week.
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@ dmick89:
Hank’s pretty much got nothing to lose as far as how he goes after Walt. His career is already down the toilet anyway.
BerseliusQuote Reply
Better Call Saul ——-> taking another step towards being a thing (it would be a prequel, apparently)
BerseliusQuote Reply
Simmons or Sal floated the idea on their podcast that the Nazis could end up getting Jesse to cook for them instead of Walt, and that the guns etc. from the flash forward were Walt trying to save Jesse.
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@ Berselius:
I heard that somewhere and I don’t know about that. Jesse was in the process of ratting and I get the feeling Uncle Jack and crew don’t like rats. If Jesse has disappeared I could see Walt saying he’ll give them some money to save Jesse’s life at which point the Nazis would just take all the money. And probably still try to kill Jesse.
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@ Berselius:
I’m kind of excited about this. I love the Saul character and think Odenkirk has real potential as the star of a show. I’ll definitely watch it to start out.
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@ Berselius:
I think this has real legs. They know Jesse can cook blue. How Walt escapes from Hank’s car in handcuffs unscathed is beyond me, but if the Nazis capture Jesse alive then maybe they just force him to cook. Although I could also see Jesse saying no and being killed.
GBTSQuote Reply
http://i.imgur.com/JIo3WwK.jpg
GBTSQuote Reply
Just remembered that Walt left the waitress at Denny’s a $100 tip in the open to Live Free or Die Hard and then purchased some rather expensive weapons. Hard to believe a poor man is spending money like that so can we safely assume that Walt does have his fortune? Maybe the Nazis get it in the desert, but to me this is a man who has cash and lots of it. If the Nazis took the cash and Walt got it back then the weapons aren’t for them.
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@ dmick89:
How would the nazis know the cash is there? Maybe Jesse tells them, but I doubt it
WaLiQuote Reply
dmick89 wrote:
The Bruce Willis movie?
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@ Rizzo the Rat:
(dying laughing) no idea where I came up with that. Never even seen the movie.
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@ WaLi:
I had figured that Walt would somehow give it away. Or Jesse if the Nazis caught him. Didn’t we see him trying to sneak away? I could definitely see them catching Jesse and wanting to kill him because he’s a rat and Walt tries to buy his life. I don’t know. I just figured since they were there that money was gone, but if they do find it, I think he gets at least some of it back at some point.
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