This is the best Cubs team most of us have seen in our lifetimes. You’d have to be pretty old to have seen a better Cubs team than the 2016 version. So let’s just say this is the best Cubs team in our lives, but how good are they compared to the rest of the teams? The Cubs 3rd order winning percentage has been quite high all season long. What is 3rd order winning percentage? I bring it up a lot around here and so I thought I’d share the definition from BPro.
3rd Order Winning Percentage: A team’s projected winning percentage, based on underlying statistics and adjusted for quality of opponents.
Uses Adjusted Equivalent Runs scored and allowed, which adjust the Equivalent Runs totals for the quality of each team’s opponents’ pitching and defense.
Clay Davenport introduces higher-order winning percentage in this article.
I’ve always thought of 3rd order winning percentage as a type of Pythagorean Theorem that attempts to remove some of the luck involved in baseball, as well as an adjustment for the quality of the opponents.
The 2016 Cubs have a 3rd order winning percentage of .702 through August. I looked back at all teams in the divisional era through the month of August. That began in 1969. Why just back to 1969? For starters, no one answered my ad to be my research assistant. The 24-team league is what I remember about baseball in my childhood. Finally, the strike zone and the lowering of the mound in 1969 had a big enough impact on the game that I felt it would be a good starting point.
These Cubs rank 3rd in 3rd order winning percentage in the divisional era. Only the 1969 Baltimore Orioles and 1998 New York Yankees rank higher. Here is the top 10.
Year | Team | W | L | PCT | RS | RA | W3 | L3 | PCT3 |
1969 | Baltimore Orioles | 91 | 43 | 0.679 | 665 | 423 | 95.8 | 38.2 | 0.715 |
1998 | New York Yankees | 98 | 37 | 0.726 | 826 | 552 | 95.4 | 39.6 | 0.707 |
2016 | Chicago Cubs | 85 | 47 | 0.644 | 672 | 450 | 92.7 | 39.3 | 0.702 |
1998 | Atlanta Braves | 90 | 48 | 0.652 | 713 | 519 | 96.5 | 41.5 | 0.699 |
2001 | Seattle Mariners | 96 | 39 | 0.711 | 768 | 536 | 92.7 | 42.3 | 0.687 |
1974 | Los Angeles Dodgers | 83 | 49 | 0.629 | 661 | 461 | 89.9 | 42.1 | 0.681 |
1997 | Atlanta Braves | 85 | 51 | 0.625 | 678 | 483 | 91.2 | 44.8 | 0.670 |
2013 | Detroit Tigers | 80 | 56 | 0.588 | 699 | 530 | 90.8 | 45.2 | 0.668 |
2007 | Boston Red Sox | 80 | 55 | 0.593 | 712 | 538 | 90.1 | 44.9 | 0.667 |
1996 | Atlanta Braves | 84 | 51 | 0.622 | 659 | 509 | 89.7 | 45.3 | 0.665 |
I was surprised to see the Cubs ahead of the 2001 Mariners. They weren’t in actual record, but they were in this metric. The difference between the top 4 teams isn’t great. Only .016 points separates the ’69 Orioles and ’98 Braves. There’s a .050 difference between number 1 and number 10. The Cubs come out pretty good in actual record too.
Year | Team | W | L | PCT | RS | RA | W3 | L3 | PCT3 |
1998 | New York Yankees | 98 | 37 | 0.726 | 826 | 552 | 95.4 | 39.6 | 0.707 |
2001 | Seattle Mariners | 96 | 39 | 0.711 | 768 | 536 | 92.7 | 42.3 | 0.687 |
1995 | Cleveland Indians | 80 | 35 | 0.696 | 663 | 490 | 71.9 | 43.1 | 0.625 |
1969 | Baltimore Orioles | 91 | 43 | 0.679 | 665 | 423 | 95.8 | 38.2 | 0.715 |
1986 | New York Mets | 87 | 43 | 0.669 | 639 | 473 | 82.8 | 47.2 | 0.637 |
1975 | Cincinnati Reds | 90 | 45 | 0.667 | 700 | 480 | 83.7 | 51.3 | 0.620 |
2004 | St. Louis Cardinals | 87 | 44 | 0.664 | 705 | 526 | 83.5 | 47.5 | 0.637 |
1979 | Baltimore Orioles | 87 | 45 | 0.659 | 629 | 492 | 83.9 | 48.1 | 0.636 |
1998 | Atlanta Braves | 90 | 48 | 0.652 | 713 | 519 | 96.5 | 41.5 | 0.699 |
2011 | Philadelphia Phillies | 86 | 46 | 0.652 | 599 | 429 | 84.7 | 47.3 | 0.641 |
1971 | Oakland Athletics | 87 | 47 | 0.649 | 597 | 462 | 83.4 | 50.6 | 0.622 |
1993 | San Francisco Giants | 85 | 46 | 0.649 | 677 | 522 | 80.5 | 50.5 | 0.614 |
1980 | Kansas City Royals | 85 | 46 | 0.649 | 673 | 545 | 77.1 | 53.9 | 0.588 |
2015 | St. Louis Cardinals | 85 | 46 | 0.649 | 532 | 392 | 75.6 | 55.4 | 0.577 |
1970 | Baltimore Orioles | 86 | 47 | 0.647 | 654 | 488 | 84.1 | 48.9 | 0.632 |
1998 | San Diego Padres | 89 | 49 | 0.645 | 669 | 530 | 82.3 | 55.7 | 0.596 |
2016 | Chicago Cubs | 85 | 47 | 0.644 | 672 | 450 | 92.7 | 39.3 | 0.702 |
1984 | Detroit Tigers | 87 | 48 | 0.644 | 699 | 555 | 87.1 | 47.9 | 0.645 |
2003 | Atlanta Braves | 87 | 49 | 0.640 | 778 | 629 | 82.6 | 53.4 | 0.607 |
1997 | Baltimore Orioles | 85 | 48 | 0.639 | 676 | 520 | 78 | 55 | 0.586 |
17th best out of 1290 seasons isn’t too bad either. It’s not as good as the 3rd order winning percentage, but still pretty awesome. How about the Baltimore Orioles placing four teams on the list of the best 20? Last year’s Cardinals were 14th best through August. I hope the Cubs don’t suffer the same fate they did, but I think by the end of the season the Cubs were just the better team.
In fact, I think it’s fairly clear that since about the midpoint of last season the Cubs have been, by far, the best team in baseball. Once Addison Russell and Kris Bryant got settled in and Kyle Schwarber got called up, I don’t see another team that compares too well against the Cubs.
Finally, here is the complete list of the Chicago Cubs seasons since 1969 through August. It’s a depressing list so feel free to skip it.
Year | Team | W | L | PCT | RS | RA | W3 | L3 | PCT3 |
2016 | Chicago Cubs | 85 | 47 | 0.644 | 672 | 450 | 92.7 | 39.3 | 0.702 |
1969 | Chicago Cubs | 83 | 53 | 0.610 | 632 | 483 | 84 | 52 | 0.618 |
2008 | Chicago Cubs | 85 | 52 | 0.620 | 743 | 554 | 83.9 | 53.1 | 0.612 |
2004 | Chicago Cubs | 72 | 60 | 0.545 | 640 | 543 | 74.8 | 57.2 | 0.567 |
2001 | Chicago Cubs | 75 | 59 | 0.560 | 614 | 564 | 75.7 | 58.3 | 0.565 |
2015 | Chicago Cubs | 74 | 56 | 0.569 | 533 | 511 | 71.1 | 58.9 | 0.547 |
1984 | Chicago Cubs | 80 | 54 | 0.597 | 651 | 549 | 73.2 | 60.8 | 0.546 |
1970 | Chicago Cubs | 69 | 64 | 0.519 | 674 | 571 | 72.4 | 60.6 | 0.545 |
1972 | Chicago Cubs | 67 | 59 | 0.532 | 546 | 474 | 68.3 | 57.7 | 0.542 |
1989 | Chicago Cubs | 75 | 58 | 0.564 | 564 | 513 | 70.7 | 62.3 | 0.532 |
2003 | Chicago Cubs | 69 | 66 | 0.511 | 586 | 584 | 71.4 | 63.6 | 0.529 |
2005 | Chicago Cubs | 63 | 70 | 0.474 | 596 | 607 | 69.6 | 63.4 | 0.523 |
1977 | Chicago Cubs | 72 | 60 | 0.545 | 597 | 599 | 69 | 63 | 0.522 |
1971 | Chicago Cubs | 71 | 63 | 0.530 | 535 | 522 | 70 | 64 | 0.522 |
2009 | Chicago Cubs | 65 | 64 | 0.504 | 572 | 553 | 67.1 | 61.9 | 0.521 |
2007 | Chicago Cubs | 68 | 65 | 0.511 | 608 | 565 | 68.3 | 64.7 | 0.513 |
1996 | Chicago Cubs | 67 | 67 | 0.500 | 661 | 620 | 68 | 66 | 0.508 |
1992 | Chicago Cubs | 67 | 63 | 0.515 | 448 | 438 | 65.9 | 64.1 | 0.507 |
1983 | Chicago Cubs | 59 | 73 | 0.447 | 556 | 551 | 66.9 | 65.1 | 0.507 |
1979 | Chicago Cubs | 71 | 60 | 0.542 | 602 | 580 | 65.8 | 65.2 | 0.502 |
1991 | Chicago Cubs | 65 | 64 | 0.504 | 568 | 589 | 64.4 | 64.6 | 0.500 |
1995 | Chicago Cubs | 58 | 58 | 0.500 | 554 | 525 | 57.5 | 58.5 | 0.495 |
2014 | Chicago Cubs | 61 | 76 | 0.445 | 523 | 578 | 67.9 | 69.1 | 0.495 |
1988 | Chicago Cubs | 66 | 66 | 0.500 | 526 | 525 | 64.9 | 67.1 | 0.492 |
2002 | Chicago Cubs | 56 | 79 | 0.415 | 591 | 641 | 66.4 | 68.6 | 0.492 |
1998 | Chicago Cubs | 76 | 62 | 0.551 | 703 | 670 | 66.4 | 71.6 | 0.481 |
1990 | Chicago Cubs | 62 | 68 | 0.477 | 556 | 617 | 62.4 | 67.6 | 0.480 |
2013 | Chicago Cubs | 57 | 78 | 0.422 | 521 | 577 | 64.8 | 70.2 | 0.480 |
1993 | Chicago Cubs | 64 | 69 | 0.481 | 579 | 607 | 63.7 | 69.3 | 0.479 |
1987 | Chicago Cubs | 66 | 64 | 0.508 | 606 | 636 | 62.2 | 67.8 | 0.478 |
1973 | Chicago Cubs | 64 | 69 | 0.481 | 523 | 551 | 63 | 70 | 0.474 |
1978 | Chicago Cubs | 66 | 65 | 0.504 | 524 | 561 | 60.5 | 70.5 | 0.462 |
2000 | Chicago Cubs | 58 | 75 | 0.436 | 647 | 718 | 61.4 | 71.6 | 0.462 |
1975 | Chicago Cubs | 62 | 74 | 0.456 | 587 | 675 | 61.2 | 74.8 | 0.450 |
1982 | Chicago Cubs | 58 | 75 | 0.436 | 554 | 585 | 59.7 | 73.3 | 0.449 |
1985 | Chicago Cubs | 62 | 65 | 0.488 | 502 | 538 | 56.9 | 70.1 | 0.448 |
1986 | Chicago Cubs | 55 | 75 | 0.423 | 539 | 630 | 57.9 | 72.1 | 0.445 |
2010 | Chicago Cubs | 56 | 77 | 0.421 | 577 | 664 | 58.1 | 74.9 | 0.437 |
2011 | Chicago Cubs | 59 | 78 | 0.431 | 553 | 659 | 59.7 | 77.3 | 0.435 |
1974 | Chicago Cubs | 54 | 75 | 0.419 | 520 | 656 | 53.9 | 75.1 | 0.418 |
1999 | Chicago Cubs | 54 | 77 | 0.412 | 627 | 769 | 53.8 | 77.2 | 0.411 |
1980 | Chicago Cubs | 51 | 77 | 0.398 | 484 | 557 | 51.9 | 76.1 | 0.406 |
2006 | Chicago Cubs | 54 | 79 | 0.406 | 568 | 694 | 53.6 | 79.4 | 0.403 |
1976 | Chicago Cubs | 60 | 72 | 0.455 | 518 | 621 | 52.9 | 79.1 | 0.401 |
1997 | Chicago Cubs | 55 | 82 | 0.401 | 570 | 647 | 54.2 | 82.8 | 0.396 |
2012 | Chicago Cubs | 51 | 80 | 0.389 | 494 | 603 | 51.6 | 79.4 | 0.394 |
1981 | Chicago Cubs | 26 | 49 | 0.347 | 255 | 345 | 25.9 | 49.1 | 0.345 |
I leave you with this:
Comments
I don’t think these guys are going anywhere anytime soon.
SKQuote Reply
SK,
Nope. I can’t imagine they won’t be brought back. Wouldn’t be surprised to see McCleod leave if he gets a gm gig.
dmick89Quote Reply
My first thought is “How the hell is re-upping Theo a distraction, it’s been more distracting that he’s not been extended.” But then, looking back, Theo has typically preferred to keep as low a profile as possible. So this may be true. He may think it’s bad optics to announce the almost-certain-to-be record-breaking extension while the season is still playing itself out. Or, could be the plan is he’s outta here if the Cubs win it all (and I wouldn’t blame him, it’s all downhill after that).
Basically, after thinking it through, I’ve come to the conclusion it could go either way. Prove me wrong.
Smokestack LightningQuote Reply
Your choice of starting at ’69 was a nice one.
mikeakaleroyQuote Reply
Yup. 130-65 in the regular season since last July 28, a couple of days after that Hamels no-hitter. .667 winning percentage.
If we could somehow erase that horrible 5-15 stretch from June-July this year, the overall regular season record rises to 125-50.
Where does the Cubs’ run differential rank among teams in the division era?
Steve H IN SLCQuote Reply
I’ll look at that, but it’s difficult to compare. It’s not an apples to apples comparison since the run environment is different. I will look into it though.
I think the ’98 Yankees went 125-50 including the playoffs. Best season I’ve ever seen.
dmick89Quote Reply
I think if the troops wanted to they could form a team and dominate MLB.
berseliusQuote Reply
It’s reassuring to know that this team is better than the worst Cubs team on that list was bad. That kind of surprises me.
uncle daveQuote Reply
Mild groin strain for Strop, looks like he’ll be out the full six weeks.
berseliusQuote Reply
To-day’s base ball squadron
Fowler
Bryant
Rizzo
Zobrist
Heyward
Russell
Coghlan
Ross
Monty
berseliusQuote Reply
new shit: http://obstructedview.net/giants-cubs-game-thread-9-1-16/
dmick89Quote Reply