The Cubs and Cardinals resume their rivalry while many St. Louis fans are still holding their brooms from last weekend, and not just the witches, maids, and crack addicts. The Cardinals convincingly and effortlessly swept the mini-Bears in a series in which they outscored the Cubs infinity to negative eight. If you want a meaningful, in depth assessment of both teams, I recommend you look at last weekend's preview submitted by Berselius. I'm just here to make up for the lack of inane nonsense this site has suffered through since my last post. So, let's see how the Cubs will manage to sweep this series while maintaining the Cardinals' league-leading run differential inefficacy.
Team Overviews
The Cubs are bad and the Cardinals are good. But if the Cubs' meager offense can somehow crack through the vaunted Cardinal rotation and into their beleaguered bullpen*, this series could go our way, by the power of Reed Johnson, bless thy gritty name.
​Batman Preferences
David Freese hates the Dark Knight trilogy because of its woeful exclusion of his favorite villain. Alfonso Soriano likes big bats, but his stats don't lie.**
Random Team Facts
Matt Garza and Ryan Dempster make Matt Garza and Ryan Dempster a Garza Dempster.
Mike Matheny eats pieces of shit like Ryan Theriot for breakfast.
The Cubs will sweep this series because Wrigley Field.
Go Cubs.
*for alliterative purposes#, bullpens are the only thing in baseball that is allowed to be beleaguered
#for alliterative porpoises, squeak, squawk, squack
**that is the worst thing ever written ever
Comments
Garza spelled backwards is Gazinga!
joshQuote Reply
The current rumor regarding adding either Soriano or LaHair to a Dempster trade makes little sense to me.
This was a recent preview I enjoyed.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
@ Rice Cube:
LaHair, maybe, but I doubt he would do much to the value of the Cubs side of the trade…The Soriano part makes less than no sense, even if we eat all the money.
mikeakaleroyQuote Reply
Still chuckling.
mikeakaleroyQuote Reply
@ mikeakaleroy:
It was bad news for the Cards, it actually slightly lowered their run differential.
joshQuote Reply
Cubs lose.
joshQuote Reply
Did that baseball land yet?
Rice CubeQuote Reply
“When you leave it UP to a HOT hitter like Holliday, you are FLIRTING with trouble.” -Pat Hughes
joshQuote Reply
@ Rice Cube:
In my backyard.
/not a euphemism
mikeakaleroyQuote Reply
How will DeJesus be stranded today?
Rice CubeQuote Reply
@ Rice Cube:
Popfly, K, K
joshQuote Reply
heard buster olney interviewed this morning, and while he didn’t talk about the cubs specifically, in an aside he mentioned that the cubs were much lower on zach lee than the general consensus.
GWQuote Reply
@ Rice Cube:
Shut you right up
mikeakaleroyQuote Reply
Cubs don’t lose yet!
AndCountingQuote Reply
Cubs win.
joshQuote Reply
So, this Rizzo kid.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
@ mikeakaleroy:
So now we know where you live. Not that we’d wait until you were out of town and rob you or anything.
joshQuote Reply
@ josh:
There’s a keg fridge in the basement, and more beer in the beer fridge. Help yourself, and please take the dogs while you’re there.
mikeakaleroyQuote Reply
Not watching the game, but Gameday leads me to believe Soto looked at the second pitch while Bryan LaHair tried to steal second.
I would imagine it was supposed to be a hit and run. But Soto is Latin, so, ya know, he’s lazy.
jtsunamiQuote Reply
That was a TOOTBLAN, right?
Rice CubeQuote Reply
@ jtsunami:
LaHair tried to steal off Lynn, but took off too soon. They stole a bunch on Lynn last time, so I guess they thought they had him timed or something.
joshQuote Reply
Bad Wood.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
Cubs lose
joshQuote Reply
@ josh:
It’s like that, huh?
Suburban kidQuote Reply
So the Cards scored infinity last weekend, and they’re going to score more than that this weekend. Not only are they good, they’re reinventing math.
TheVanQuote Reply
@ Suburban kid:
Yeah, pretty much. Although now it looks like it’s going to hold steady.
joshQuote Reply
@ TheVan:
There are orders of infinity.
joshQuote Reply
Shit, I might have spoken too soon.
joshQuote Reply
The Cubs are scoring more than minus eight runs, at least.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
josh wrote:
False.
WenningtonsGorillaCockQuote Reply
josh wrote:
True.
WenningtonsGorillaCockQuote Reply
WenningtonsGorillaCock wrote:
Must be part of their new strategy to score in more than one inning. I don’t see it sticking, long term.
joshQuote Reply
Cubs Lose.
again
joshQuote Reply
The Cubs are just trying to let the Cardinals score 10 runs so they can honor Santo, too.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
@ Mercurial Outfielder:
Or 10 TOOTBLANs.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
Good thing we Travis Wood was left in to bat. Cards crushed him two times through the line up. 3rd times a charm!
jtsunamiQuote Reply
so those reports about travis wood being too prone to home runs, there’s nothing to those, right?
GWQuote Reply
@ GW:
Shitty variance.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
@ Rice Cube:
(dying laughing)
Shut me right up.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
well, at least thoyer convinced crempster to pretend like he’s open to other destinations.
GWQuote Reply
We need an AC post more than once a month, methinks.
Also the Egghead link led me to the one below. I’d forgotten how campy the TV Batman was. And how often you could reuse a set.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d85gkOXeXG4&feature=player_detailpage
SVBQuote Reply
Did berselius get sacked?
WaLiQuote Reply
@ GW:
THoyer: How about Atlanta?
Demp: Atlanta could work.
THoyer: OK, we have a deal with Atlanta, tell your agent to give them a call.
Demp: THERE IS NO TRADE.
THoyer: How about LA?
Demp: LA could work.
THoyer: We might have a deal with LA. Have your agent contact them.
Demp: What was that about Atlanta?
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
Cool opening ceremony
Suburban kidQuote Reply
Doctor Who fans…how many of you are there? And if there are, any bets on whether David Tennant gets to light the torch?
Rice CubeQuote Reply
@ Rice Cube:
.
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I think it’ll be an Olympian.
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Or Elton John
Suburban kidQuote Reply
btw, for those who haven’t been paying attention, ted lilly has been on the dl since may, and while he seems like he’s close to a return, there’s no guarantee for old guys with shoulder problems. one tweak and he’s not playing with any of his buddies for the rest of the season.
GWQuote Reply
Lo(dying laughing)ol. You guys are hilarious today.
Doogolas141Quote Reply
@ GW:
i mean, that’s one of the primary reasons they are shopping for pitching in the first place.
GWQuote Reply
@ Suburban kid:
Somebody British though.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
@ GW:
So you’re telling me there’s a chance.
YEAH!
joshQuote Reply
@ Rice Cube:
That is a safe bet.
Suburban kidQuote Reply
@ Suburban kid:
I know Matt Smith already carried the torch part of the way. Having David Tennant light the flame would be epic.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
James Bond + Her Majesty = RC —> (dying laughing)
Rice CubeQuote Reply
@ Rice Cube:
This part was pretty silly.
Suburban kidQuote Reply
@ Suburban kid:
Stunt queen!
Rice CubeQuote Reply
(dying laughing) at the highlighting of the NHS before the world
Suburban kidQuote Reply
(dying laughing)
http://www.theonion.com/video/fucking-oasis-to-probably-be-worked-into-olympics,28972/
WenningtonsGorillaCockQuote Reply
(dying laughing) Mr. Bean
Rice CubeQuote Reply
I think The Stig will light the torch
WenningtonsGorillaCockQuote Reply
@ Mercurial Outfielder:
Both teams got 10 hits!
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
Independent Olympic Athletes! Woot!
Rice CubeQuote Reply
USA! USA!
Suburban kidQuote Reply
The French pronunciation of Zambia is zombie.
Suburban kidQuote Reply
@ Suburban kid:
If some pirates pillaged through Zambia, would you call it a “Rob Zombie”?
/tried too hard
Rice CubeQuote Reply
Greinke —> Angels
Rice CubeQuote Reply
Wow, Angels got Segura + two AA-level prospects.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
The Greatest………….again?
Suburban kidQuote Reply
Looks like Josh Johnson to TEX is close
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
Two AA players are both thought to be pitchers.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
@ Rice Cube:
Wow, that’s quite a rotation they have.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
seems like one of the pitchers is pretty damn good, the other a groundballer who walks a ton of guys
GWQuote Reply
No Doctor Who lighting the flame. I am disappoint.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
The torch and all the fireworks are pretty badass though.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
@ GW:
BA has the one with damn good numbers 9th in the system and the other guy 4th, so the latter must have good stuff/potential.
GWQuote Reply
@ GW:
Hellweg walks a ton, but Pena walks quite a bit too. Good year this year in AA, but he’s not terribly young (23). He walked 4.8 per 9 last year and over 5 the year before. Under 4 this year, but that’s concerning. Segura is a grade B, Pena a C+ and Hellweg is a throw in. About $10 million in value for Segura, $1.5 million for Pena. Total value close to $12 million.
mb21Quote Reply
Greinke is projected for about 2 more WAR (maybe a bit more). Brewers got a pretty good deal here. Neither pitcher probably amounts to anything, but Segura is an interesting prospect. According to Sickels some think he ends up back at 2nd base and if that’s true the value goes down obviously.
mb21Quote Reply
Also sounds like Segura is an injury waiting to happen.
Baseball America on him
mb21Quote Reply
@ mb21:
I’m a % guy. pena’s at 9% this year, which is not good, but not terrible. worse the last two years, but good in rookie ball/dsl. hellwig is 12% this year (bad), and it looks like a career best. coupled with his strikeouts being down, i wouldn’t be surprised if their positions are juxtaposed next year, even with the year of age difference.
GWQuote Reply
Pena
mb21Quote Reply
@ GW:
I like % too, but I was looking on BRef, which has more info that I’m generally interested in when it comes to minor leaguers. If I really want to evaluate them I’ll use %, but not the ones that FG uses. They do it wrong. (dying laughing)
mb21Quote Reply
mb21 wrote:
yes, but it still beats the hell out of the per 9 stats.
GWQuote Reply
holy crap, apparently hellweg is 6′ 9″. no wonder the groundball rate is high. that’s what you call a natural downward plane.
GWQuote Reply
Also, we have to expect Pena to regress toward his career percentage as he moves up. 23 in AA and struggling with command is nothing impressive. He doesn’t have much shot as a starter in my opinion. If I was running things in MIlwaukee, I’d move him to AAA and put him in the bullpen. That’s where his future is and unless the Brewers see something they think they can fix, I think he’s shown enough in his career to show he’s probably not going to have good enough control to get by at the big leagues as a starter. With the exception of this year he hasn’t been too difficult to hit either. Especially not with the fastball/slider combo he has.
Still a really good deal for the Brewers though.
By the way, I expected the Cubs to get a couple of Pena’s in a deal for Dempster assuming they send all the salary (that’s what I’d have expected last month anyway). Guys with upside, but probably a little older than you’d like at the level and certainly with some issues.
mb21Quote Reply
his career rate is a little above 10%, and he has improved each of the past two years. k-bb is among the best in the texas league this year. i’d definitely give him a shot staying at starter.
.mb21 wrote:
yeah, i was thinking two guys breaking out at hi-a, not so much aa guys.
GWQuote Reply
@ GW:
Oh I agree with that.
mb21Quote Reply
@ GW:
I expected a couple 23 year olds. I think I said as much several times.
K-BB% is a great stat. I love it, but Carlos Marmol had a good K-BB% and I think we’d all agree he’d never have worked out as a starter.
mb21Quote Reply
@ mb21:
marmol’s walk rate was never in the 10% range either.
hellweg is the guy i would worry about with the k-bb, with his 15%+ walk rate in hi-a last year masked by the silly strikeout numbers. if pena can keep it under 10%, that’s very tenable for a starter.
GWQuote Reply
If Segura can stay healthy I really like him.
mb21Quote Reply
Someone must have hacked OV tonight. The last 10 comments or so nothing but GW and MB agreeing.
SVBQuote Reply
@ SVB:
I disagree
GWQuote Reply
scott swaim saying cremp to the dodgers is done (again).
GWQuote Reply
The Cubs and Dodgers are discussing a deal of Dempster for Josh Lindblom, reports ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick, who isn’t sure what other players could be involved in the swap (Twitter links).
Hmmm. From Delgado to a reliever, albeit a decent one.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
@ Rice Cube:
Holy crap @ homers though.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
@ Rice Cube:
bleh
GWQuote Reply
@ Rice Cube:
now backing off…
GWQuote Reply
Mamol’s walk rate was about 12% in AA a year younger than Pena with 3 years less experience pitching at the professional level. Both were fastball/slider pitchers with poor control. Marmol was ridiculously tough to hit in the minors and with the exception of this season Pena hasn’t been too tough. I think these two have a lot in common actually. Marmol could get the fastball up to 96, 97 as a starter, this guy a bit faster.
It will be interesting to see. I was the one who has said that the Cubs should have given Marmol another chance to start so I can’t really say that and not say the same about Pena so I agree with GW here. I think what Marmol was doing in the minors was more impressive all things considered, but numbers are numbers.
mb21Quote Reply
@ GW:
Thank goodness. If that’s all they were giving up I’d just keep Demp around.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
I love this Dempster saga. I hope he’s not traded and I hope the Cubs re-sign him so this can happen next year. I hope it continues for as long as I’m alive. (dying laughing)
mb21Quote Reply
@ mb21:
league average bb% for the texas league is 8.5%. pena is at 8.8%.
GWQuote Reply
@ GW:
He hasn’t been average throughout his career. Last year it was 12.1% in A ball. At the age of 23 he’s not going to improve all that much at this point. I do agree with you they should give him a shot to start. I was wrong at first, but odds are it won’t work unless his command this year is what we can expect going forward and even then it’s a stretch. There’s no risk giving him another year, but I’ll be surprised if he reaches the big leagues as a starter. At best he’s a work in progress, which is fine. Like I said, it’s what I expected to get for Dempster (a couple of them). The Brewers got him and another much better player.
mb21Quote Reply
also, marmol’s babip really wasn’t special in the minors, which is contrary to my memory
GWQuote Reply
@ mb21:
Are they not even trying to trade the clean-up hitter? Joe Mather, I mean, of course.
joshQuote Reply
@ GW:
Yeah, but when you see guys with the kind of experience he had allowing so few hits you’re usually looking at an elite prospect. Obviously Marmol had command issues, but compared to Pena at the same age, I’d much much rather have Marmol. He was learning along the way because he’d never really done it and he was doing it well. Here’s a story for you. I was once told by someone who worked with Marmol for several years (both as a catcher and as a pitcher) that worst case scenario with him was that he’d become an unhittable reliever with command issues. It’s just so Cub that he became an unhittable reliever with control issues. (dying laughing)
mb21Quote Reply
FG on Greinke deal: http://t.co/fhA8Bkgn
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
@ josh:
They’re trying to include him with Dempster to get Kershaw.
mb21Quote Reply
I did this earlier in response to the Garza news. It’s not really worthy of a full post:
joshQuote Reply
@ mb21:
And how many decibels loud is the Dodgers’ laughter?
joshQuote Reply
There’s an interview up with the Smokies manager here if you want to watch it about Jae-hoon Ha. Bottom line: Ha got lucky.
Crib notes for SK:
concussion
no dental problems
teeth ok and able to eat
out of hospital
swollen face
no stitches
no timetable for return. Too early to know because the swelling has to go down and see how much pain there is and responses to impact tests to see how bad the concussion is.
As noted earlier, Sczrur was called up. Pronounced “Sees” ? I couldn’t quite make it out.
SVBQuote Reply
@ mb21:
yeah, i went to a game that he started in 2006 and remember being pretty damn impressed, despite his numbers to that point. his filthy stuff was evident even then.
GWQuote Reply
Aramis is having a nice day, now that the Brewers have officially given up on this season.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
@ josh:
LARBUDDY
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
@ josh:
THEY’VE GONE FROM SUCK TO BLOW.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
@ SVB:
Pronounced “Caesar”
joshQuote Reply
@ SVB:
I’m pretty sure it’s pronounced Caesar.
GWQuote Reply
Rice CubeQuote Reply
@ mb21:
They should at least get Kemp as a throw-in.
joshQuote Reply
@ josh:
@ GW:
Well that explains the Caesar reference earlier that I didn’t get.
SVBQuote Reply
@ Rice Cube:
Maggie Thatcher’s son was trying to add Equatorial Guinea into the Commonwealth, the Queen could have been up one.
SVBQuote Reply
@ SVB:
I don’t know that it descends directly from the title as, for example, “tsar” and “kaiser” do, but I wouldn’t be too surprised.
GWQuote Reply
@ Rice Cube:
Really missed the chance for a Gotye meme: SomebdaAAAAYYY THAT I USED TO OOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWNNNNNN
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
@ Mercurial Outfielder:
Dude, that was so last month. Queen is now asking India, Dominica, Belize, etc. “Call me, maybe.”
SVBQuote Reply
@ GW:
He was more unhittable than Zambrano who was awfully tough to hit at his best. I still get a kick out of Marmol achieving the worst possible scenario like that guy told me. Marmol was a guy by A ball I figured if he could cut the walk rate down would be an outstanding starter. There was reason to be optimistic since he’d just been converted too. Wasn’t likely. I knew that, but potential was there.
mb21Quote Reply
@ josh:
Correct. Seez would be the Quadification of his name.
mb21Quote Reply
@ mb21:
skeezy
GWQuote Reply
Apparently the rangers balked at a package centered on martin perez for greinke; i’m shocked by that.
GWQuote Reply
@ GW:
(dying laughing)
(dying laughing)
I vote that to be his nickname Quade or no.
(dying laughing)
(dying laughing)
joshQuote Reply
Anyone see the first season of Boss? Trying to figure out if I want to watch it.
mb21Quote Reply
@ GW:
Unless the didn’t feel confident they could re-sign him at year’s end.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
@ Mercurial Outfielder:
I’m guessing if they plan on spending $100 million plus it will be on Hamilton so I doubt they’d have interest in signing him. Just a guess.
mb21Quote Reply
@ Mercurial Outfielder:
I say that more out of my distaste for perez than anything else. i guess it depends on what else the brewers wanted along with him, too.
GWQuote Reply
@ mb21:
That can’t be true. The Cubs are going to sign him.
joshQuote Reply
@ mb21:
Either way, they clearly felt that was too high a price for a guy they viewed as a rental.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
@ josh:
As much as I’d like to see that, mostly for personal reasons, I think he’s probably in the right environment that he needs to be in. I would trust Thoyer to help him establish the necessary support system, but he’s probably better off where he is.
Plus, it’s much more likely I’ll still be a Cubs fan if he doesn’t come to the Cubs. I can’t imagine what nasty things would be said about him by the fans the first time he has a bad month. You know, considering how sympathetic people are toward drug addicts and all.
mb21Quote Reply
The flagbearer for Qatar had a very pretty face, IMO.
SVBQuote Reply
@ mb21:
This
SVBQuote Reply
@ Mercurial Outfielder:
Yeah, I agree. I think the Angels gave up too much, but that’s under the assumption the Brewers didn’t send any cash in the deal. They didn’t, did they? I do agree with Keith Law in that the guys the Brewers acquired for Greinke have a much lower floor than the players they gave up to get him. I disagree with him that they got as much in return.
mb21Quote Reply
@ mb21:
I put the chances of the Cubs signing him in between slim and none. Still, I wish the Cubs didn’t blow an ass.
joshQuote Reply
@ josh:
Are you concerned that they may blow a specific ass, or blow ass in general?
SVBQuote Reply
I wonder how Zack Greinke would do as a Cub. People keep harping on his anxiety but I think it’s way overblown. It would probably cost way too much to sign him and it would probably also be useless since the Cubs would still suck on non-Greinke starts.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
@ Rice Cube:
From what I read his anxiety issue was basically due to being burned out on baseball. He actually wanted to just quit because he was sick of the bullshit that goes along with being in baseball. The Royals GM convinced him to take some time off, talk to a psychiatrist, etc. He did and he claimed he regained his love of the game. I don’t really think it’s like an anxiety disorder or anything.
That was what I read a couple of years ago anyway, who knows what the official line is now?
joshQuote Reply
@ SVB:
All of it, SVB. All the ass.
joshQuote Reply
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
@ josh:
What if it were Anne Hathaway’s ass? Don’t you think that would lead to some inspiration?
SVBQuote Reply
Incremental movement from Selig on replay: trapped balls and fouls down the lines. But who knows when.
SVBQuote Reply
Chapman struck out the side again. He’s up to 93 in 50 innings. He’s pretty good at missing bats.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
SVB wrote:
Since it was at the bottom of the thread, I thought this meant “new shit”
Suburban kidQuote Reply
SVB wrote:
Unnecessary, The one-line description was more than enough.
Thanks though!
Suburban kidQuote Reply
new shit: http://obstructedview.net/minor-leagues/the-children-are-our-future-minor-league-update-sponsored-by-tgi-fridays.html
mb21Quote Reply