St. Louis squeaked its way into the playoffs thanks to a late-season collapse by the Braves. Again, I find it crazy that there are 2 NL Central teams in the playoffs.
Team Overviews
Team stats, with NL rank in parentheses
| Cardinals | Phillies | |
| wOBA | .332 (1st) | .316 (6th) |
| UBR | 4.0 (5th) | -5.7 (14th) |
| UZR | -29.8 (15th) | -10 (9th) |
| DRS | -13 (11th) | -31 (14th) |
| SP FIP | 3.69 (5th) | 2.98 (1st) |
| RP FIP | 3.87 (13th) | 3.91 (14th) |
Overall Philly’s rankings don’t look that great but their starting pitching more than makes up for the rest. I’m surprised to see both teams grade out poorly on defense. Well, maybe not that surprsing in Philly’s case
And that was before he aged an additonal three years!
The Cardinals have had several culprits contributing to their negative defensive numbers, most notably Lancer Berkman (not surprsing), Ryan Theriot (also not surprising), and Skip Schumaker (not surprising). More surprising is that no one at all posted a UZR over 3 this year.
Pitching Matchups
Saturday: Kyle Lohse vs Roy Halladay, Philies win 11-6
The Cardinals got off to an early 3-0 lead thanks to a Berkman bomb but the final score reflected what you might expect from the pitching matchup.
Sunday: Chris Carpenter, RHP (3.45, 3.06, 3.31) vs Cliff Lee, LHP (2.40, 2.60, 2.68)
From what I remember, Carpenter got off to a slow start but looking at his numbers now he certainly managed to turn it around. He was nails in game 162, throwing a complete game shutout while striking out 11 Astros.
Cliff Lee probably deserves the CYA, but Kreshaw is going to get it because Lee is “only” 17-6. If my twitter feed is to be believed, he saw half a million leads blown by his bullpen this year.
Tuesday: Cole Hamels, LHP (2.79, 3.05, 3.02) vs Jaime Garcia, RHP (2.70, 3.41, 3.62)
Cole Hamels has quietly had the best season of his career in the shadow of Lee and Halladay. I can’t see his name without thinking of the hilarious twitter account @FanSince09. Shoulda traded Coal Hammels, indeed.
Not only did Garcia avoid the sophomore slump this year, he lowered his walk rate by a full batter per nine. He’s the real deal.
Wednesday: Roy Oswalt, RHP (3.69, 3.44, 3.95) vs Edwin Jackson, RHP (3.79, 3.55, 3.73)
What is it about Edwin Jackson’s career 4.34 FIP that makes him such a hot commodity? As I alluded to in the other NL preview, Jackson has been involved in two of the biggest hornswoggles of the past few years – the Daniel Hudson trade to ARI and the Colby Rasmus trade to STL. He’s been on seven teams during his career. I just don’t get it. StL should have done the right thing and gotten rid of the real problem in their clubhouse – Tony La Russa.
Oswalt was banged up a bit this year and not surprisingly saw a big drop in his strikeout rate. It’s strange that this is only his second season with the Phillies. It already feels like he’s been pitching there forever.
Friday: Chris Carpenter vs Roy Halladay, RHP (2.35, 2.20, 2.71)
Speaking of pitchers who deserve a CYA, Halladay just put up the best season of his HOF career. He set career bests in strikeouts and HR allowed in 2011, and should be going strong as he actually pitched 20 innings less than he did last year.
Prediction
I hope this series goes 5 because that matchup would be incredible. Unfortunately I think it’s Phillies in four.
Comments
Phillies rate well in Defensive efficiency rating.
ACTQuote Reply
Philly is good at baseball.
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Should be a great NLCS
BerseliusQuote Reply
Albert Pujols is so not clutch 😛
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Apparently Ryan Theriot is clutch (dying laughing)
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Cardinals BABIP so far today: .529. They’re hitting them where they ain’t.
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I’m just checking box scores for the first time today. How often does a team give up 3 home runs and win? How often has it happened in the postseason?
mb22Quote Reply
what’s the latest on theo? Has he taken the Cubs job and made them World Series champions while I’ve been away today? That would be pretty cool.
mb22Quote Reply
If anybody wants to say shit about Breaking Bad, please create a new thread on Unobstructed Views. Thanks. (dying laughing)
mb22Quote Reply
[quote name=mb22]what’s the latest on theo? Has he taken the Cubs job and made them World Series champions while I’ve been away today? That would be pretty cool.[/quote]That would be nothing short of magic considering it’s not actually next year yet (dying laughing)
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[quote name=mb22]If anybody wants to say shit about Breaking Bad, please create a new thread on Unobstructed Views. Thanks. (dying laughing)[/quote]
cdw already did earlier today (dying laughing)
BerseliusQuote Reply
apparently it’s 50/50 that Theo leaves. Also 50/50 is the reported odds on me having wild sex with Heidi Klum tonight. It may or may not happen.
mb22Quote Reply
[quote name=mb22]what’s the latest on theo? Has he taken the Cubs job and made them World Series champions while I’ve been away today? That would be pretty cool.[/quote]
According to WEEI the Boston media has heard from multiple sources that Sox ownership have given Theo permission to speak with the Cubs for the team president position.
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[quote name=Berselius]cdw already did earlier today (dying laughing)[/quote]Sweet. I guess I should look around before saying anything.
mb22Quote Reply
[quote name=mb22]apparently it’s 50/50 that Theo leaves. Also 50/50 is the reported odds on me having wild sex with Heidi Klum tonight. It may or may not happen.[/quote]
It could go either way
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[quote name=Berselius]According to WEEI the Boston media has heard from multiple sources that Sox ownership have given Theo permission to speak with the Cubs for the team president position.[/quote]Really? Not the GM position? That’s interesting.
mb22Quote Reply
Maybe they hire Theo to be the President and steal Friedman away.
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[quote name=mb22]apparently it’s 50/50 that Theo leaves. Also 50/50 is the reported odds on me having wild sex with Heidi Klum tonight. It may or may not happen.[/quote]So you’re saying you have a chance (dying laughing)
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[quote name=Berselius]It could go either way[/quote]Exactly. I just don’t know if I’m going to bang Klum tonight or not. It’s entirely possible. But it might not happen. 50/50.
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[quote name=cdw]So you’re saying you have a chance (dying laughing)[/quote]Until I wake up tomorrow I would assume I do have a chance. So do you. Isn’t it awesome?
mb22Quote Reply
[quote name=mb22]Really? Not the GM position? That’s interesting.[/quote]
I might have misheard it. They were pretty clear on the whole permission to speak with the Cubs thing, but I think I only heard the word “president” once.
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(dying laughing) at Jets-Ravens. 5 defense/ST touchdowns between the two teams, and it’s barely the 3rd quarter
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ARe those GIFs of Raul Ibanez?
binkyQuote Reply
Cliff Lee was not clutch today.
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[quote name=josh]ARe those GIFs of Raul Ibanez?[/quote]
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Now that’s the Theriot I remember. Not sure who that imposter was who got those doubles off Lee was.
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[quote name=Berselius]
[/quote]I’m so out of the loop I didn’t even know he played for the Mariners. I tend not to pay too much attention to West Coast teams, mostly because of the the time zone thing, I guess.
binkyQuote Reply
[quote name=josh]I’m so out of the loop I didn’t even know he played for the Mariners. I tend not to pay too much attention to West Coast teams, mostly because of the the time zone thing, I guess.[/quote]
Those were from back in the 08-09 offseason, when the Phillies signed him.
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[quote name=mb22]Until I wake up tomorrow I would assume I do have a chance. So do you. Isn’t it awesome?[/quote]It’s incredible. I thought the highlight of my night was going to be Breaking Bad. Now it might be Heidi Klum. Awesome. I still may just go to sleep. It’s 50/50.
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Anyway, amazingly it’s not zero.
cdwQuote Reply
You know what drives me crazy? Would-be basestealers getting picked off by southpaws. Ugh.
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BASTARDO
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Four runs was not enough for Cliff Lee today.
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[quote name=ACT]You know what drives me crazy? Would-be basestealers getting picked off by southpaws. Ugh.[/quote]And that Berkman-Pujols hit-and-run. And those 50 or so pitching changes.
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That shit was hilarious. He just comes off an injury to his leg then fails miserably at a backflip (dying laughing)
WaLiQuote Reply
Anyone catch Dexter or Homeland last night? Thought both were pretty good. Is Homeland supposed to be a full series or just a mini-series? Not sure how that can be a season after season show. Really enjoyed it though.
WaLiQuote Reply
[quote name=WaLi]Anyone catch Dexter or Homeland last night? Thought both were pretty good. Is Homeland supposed to be a full series or just a mini-series? Not sure how that can be a season after season show. Really enjoyed it though.[/quote]
I don’t have cable right now, but I’ve been kind of surprised at how indifferent I am that I’m missing out on new Dexters. I liked last season just fine, so it’s not that.
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Hey Ryno, I’d really appreciate it if Texas could beat Oklahoma this weekend.
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[quote name=Berselius]Hey Ryno, I’d really appreciate it if Texas could beat Oklahoma this weekend.[/quote]
I think we all would.
Speaking of, follow this thread this week: http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/showthread.php/98092-2011-Texas-v.-OU-MS-PAINT-GIF-THREAD-OF-DOMINANCE/page4
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[quote name=Berselius]I don’t have cable right now, but I’ve been kind of surprised at how indifferent I am that I’m missing out on new Dexters. I liked last season just fine, so it’s not that.[/quote]
Yeah I get how you are feeling. There really isn’t much else that can happen and they pretty much just ignore what happened at the end of S4. While it is still enjoyable, they kind of are just repeating the motions. “Dexter kills ==> introduce big bad ==> Dex gets excited ==> Dex almost get’s caught/killed ==> Dex kills big bad” Also introduce subplot that noone cares about in there a few times.
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[quote name=Dr. Aneus Taint]I think we all would.
Speaking of, follow this thread this week: http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/showthread.php/98092-2011-Texas-v.-OU-MS-PAINT-GIF-THREAD-OF-DOMINANCE/page4%5B/quote%5D
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(dying laughing)[/quote]It’ll kind of be like that, I’m sure.
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[quote name=WaLi]Yeah I get how you are feeling. There really isn’t much else that can happen and they pretty much just ignore what happened at the end of S4. While it is still enjoyable, they kind of are just repeating the motions. “Dexter kills ==> introduce big bad ==> Dex gets excited ==> Dex almost get’s caught/killed ==> Dex kills big bad” Also introduce subplot that noone cares about in there a few times.[/quote]
Yeah, pretty much. I’m just so invested in LaGuerta and Batista’s relationship, so I guess I’m missing that (dying laughing).
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[quote name=dylanj]3-1[/quote]
After that, I’m slightly intrigued.
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[quote name=dylanj]3-1[/quote]
Whether or not SF is any good, that’s a big enough head start on the rest of the crappy NFC West to guarantee them a playoff spot
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the defense is legit and the offense is doing just enough.
dylanjQuote Reply
Last night on twitter:
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BerseliusQuote Reply
Didn’t see that Kaepernick came in last night. How long until he’s the starter in SF?
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I sat on that one for like six months!
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[quote name=Berselius]Whether or not SF is any good, that’s a big enough head start on the rest of the crappy NFC West to guarantee them a playoff spot[/quote]
They’ve had better starts than that before collapsing.
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[quote name=Berselius]Didn’t see that Kaepernick came in last night. How long until he’s the starter in SF?[/quote]
At this rate, Alex Smith might hold the job for a while.
Dr. Aneus TaintQuote Reply
Kaepernick came in to run a stunt play. He’s not close to being a starter.
dylanjQuote Reply
http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/7052621/source-says-50-50-theo-epstein-leave-boston-red-sox-right-job
BerseliusQuote Reply
Heard through the grapevine: Crane Kenney on the way out, BoSox might only let Theo go to Cubs with some heavy compensation.
Keeping in mind these are rumors from rumors from a source, so grain of saltiness applies.
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[quote name=dylanj]Kaepernick came in to run a stunt play. He’s not close to being a starter.[/quote]Didn’t he only take some snaps because Smith got shaken up for a few plays?
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[quote name=Berselius]Yeah, pretty much. I’m just so invested in LaGuerta and Batista’s relationship, so I guess I’m missing that (dying laughing).[/quote]I know, I’m curious to see if their romance conflicts with their careers this season.
GBTSQuote Reply
no, Smith wasn’t hurt. It was a third and forever and they were going to run a wildcat/stunt play so they brought him in. But they couldnt get their personnel in time so they called a TO.
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Ok guys, this is just an email I got from a co-worker just now….
MishQuote Reply
^ That’s pretty sour.
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[quote name=Mish]Ok guys, this is just an email I got from a co-worker just now….[/quote]I’m just glad he raped someone soon enough that the Cubs can sign a SS in the offseason.
cdwQuote Reply
Well there’s a Google News alert that I never thought I’d have to make.
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[quote name=cdw]I’m just glad he raped someone soon enough that the Cubs can sign a SS in the offseason.[/quote]
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[quote name=Rice Cube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlBiLNN1NhQ[/quote]Classic. +1 for you
cdwQuote Reply
Everyone remember that even if no charges are brought against Starlin Castro, that doesn’t mean that Mish’s source wasn’t contemplating charges at the time this e-mail was sent.
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If true, that sucks and I hope his gets prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Rape sucks.
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i’ll believe it when i see it.
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I don’t have any reason to believe my co-worker would lie, but I’m also not going to parade the rumor around (outside of here, because I love you guys) until something more concrete comes.
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[quote name=Mish]I don’t have any reason to believe my co-worker would lie, but I’m also not going to parade the rumor around (outside of here, because I love you guys) until something more concrete comes.[/quote]faget.
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[quote name=WaLi]faget.[/quote]Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
/Seinfeld’d
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[quote name=Rice Cube]Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
/Seinfeld’d[/quote]No, no, of course not! People’s personal sexual preferences are nobody’s business but their own
WaLiQuote Reply
Greinke —> awkward beast mode:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Brewers-8217-Ryan-Braun-on-Zack-Greinke-821?urn=mlb-wp22252
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http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/03/source-close-to-theo-its-50-50-epstein-would-leave-the-red-sox/
Zing.
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What the hell is that guy doing tomorrow where he has a 50-50 shot of dying? Is he fighting his equally sized roommate to the death? Is he 113 years old?
GBTSQuote Reply
[quote name=GBTS]What the hell is that guy doing tomorrow where he has a 50-50 shot of dying? Is he fighting his equally sized roommate to the death? Is he 113 years old?[/quote]I assume he lives in Detroit.
/Zucker-Zucker-Abrahams joke’d
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[quote name=GBTS]What the hell is that guy doing tomorrow where he has a 50-50 shot of dying?[/quote]Answering a Craig’s List add to JO?
cdwQuote Reply
WTF (dying laughing)
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[quote name=GBTS]What the hell is that guy doing tomorrow where he has a 50-50 shot of dying? Is he fighting his equally sized roommate to the death? Is he 113 years old?[/quote]Russian roulette.
ACTQuote Reply
Another thirdhand report re castro
https://mobile.twitter.com/#!/Mwhobear/status/120922985409413120
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[quote name=ACT]Russian roulette.[/quote]It’s that more of a 1-in-6 chance?
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It is if you use 3 bullets.
ACTQuote Reply
[quote name=ACT]It is if you use 3 bullets.[/quote]Not even Vegas gives you such good odds (dying laughing)
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From a FG on disappointing prospects:
MishQuote Reply
Figures that the Cubs would be the only team with two most disappointing prospects. However,I think McNutt has been more disappointing than Vitters (this year, at least).
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[quote name=Berselius]Another thirdhand report re castro
https://mobile.twitter.com/#!/Mwhobear/status/120922985409413120%5B/quote%5D
Doesn’t work for me, but its here: http://twitter.com/#!/Mwhobear/status/120922985409413120
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[quote name=GBTS]Doesn’t work for me, but its here: http://twitter.com/#!/Mwhobear/status/120922985409413120%5B/quote%5DWhat a mess. I feel like if this is legitimate someone from a paper or website or even The Smoking Gun would’ve been on this by now.
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this actually pisses me off. A guy who knows a guy said something so you just tweeted Castro’s name out there for the entire world connecting him to a heinous crime.
Fuck the internet sometimes man. Thats just a shitty thing to do.
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[quote name=Rice Cube]What a mess. I feel like if this is legitimate someone from a paper or website or even The Smoking Gun would’ve been on this by now.[/quote]This “breaking news” comes from “Ross Reichart,” who has tweeted a whole four times on non-baseball issues in the past two months.
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[quote name=dylanj]this actually pisses me off. A guy who knows a guy said something so you just tweeted Castro’s name out there for the entire world connecting him to a heinous crime.
Fuck the internet sometimes man. Thats just a shitty thing to do.[/quote]I would imagine that if nothing officially happens today this will pretty much be forgotten. But yeah, fuck that Mwhobear guy. “Breaking news” of a rape on Twitter, attributed to his buddy.
GBTSQuote Reply
And the tweet is gone.
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[quote name=dylanj]this actually pisses me off. A guy who knows a guy said something so you just tweeted Castro’s name out there for the entire world connecting him to a heinous crime.
Fuck the internet sometimes man. Thats just a shitty thing to do.[/quote]
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I think I’m done for a while.
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[quote name=Dr. Aneus Taint]I think I’m done for a while.[/quote]
masturbating?
dylanjQuote Reply
This one brought a tear to my eye.
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http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2011/10/3/2465993/a-review-of-bcb-posting-tips
yep, seriously
Recalcitrant Blogger NateQuote Reply
Rays about to start.
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[quote name=Recalcitrant Blogger Nate]http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2011/10/3/2465993/a-review-of-bcb-posting-tips
yep, seriously[/quote]I didn’t realize posting was so complicated.
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[quote name=Rice Cube]I didn’t realize posting was so complicated.[/quote]Everyone knows this. Consider yourself warned. This isn’t a message board.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Recalcitrant Blogger Nate]http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2011/10/3/2465993/a-review-of-bcb-posting-tips
yep, seriously[/quote]
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[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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(dying laughing)[/quote]Correct.
The Rays need to get a hit.
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Another baserunner picked off by a lefty pitcher!
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[quote name=Al]One last thing: it’s not mandatory, but I personally (and SB Nation as a matter of editorial policy) like to use headlines where Every Word Is Capitalized. If you do that, the posting lists will look more consistent.[/quote]
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[quote name=Al]That’s a good idea.
I have edited posts here via smartphone, and I did manage to create one. This post was completely written and posted from my phone. But I would not recommend doing it in general — that was something I had to get posted right away and I was out.
Join us for complete MLB coverage at SB Nation’s Baseball Nation
by Al Yellon on Oct 3, 2011 10:44 AM CDT up reply [/quote]
Don’t Do What Al Does
WenningtonsGorillaCockQuote Reply
Where the fuck are you “out” to when you’re sayign to yourself, “HOLY SHRIEKING EAGLE SHIT, I HAVE TO GET MY 5TH POST ABOUT POSTING POSTS POSTED RIGHT FUCKING NOW.” And then proceed to hammer out 5000 words on smart phone?
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[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Where the fuck are you “out” to when you’re sayign to yourself, “HOLY SHRIEKING EAGLE SHIT, I HAVE TO GET MY 5TH POST ABOUT POSTING POSTS POSTED RIGHT FUCKING NOW.” And then proceed to hammer out 5000 words on smart phone?[/quote]Don’t forget the links to the 77 other posts about posting, the run-on sentence, four commas, and semi-colon in the first paragraph. I wouldn’t even know how to enter a semi-colon on my smart phone (dying laughing)
WenningtonsGorillaCockQuote Reply
I think this is my favorite line: “I thought that now, during the offseason, it would be a good time to tell everyone again how to make your FanPosts and FanShots look better.” Why the offseason? So we can practice and make our FanPosts and FanShots look better in time for spring training? Is there a winter blog where I can work on my FanShot mechanics?
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Al’s auto-correct arbitrarily places punctuation every six seconds.
GBTSQuote Reply
Jennings!
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[quote name=Mish]Jennings![/quote]So much for the no-hitter.
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[quote name=Buster Olney]Sources: Red Sox hierarchy has had informal conversations about what to do if Theo Epstein is no longer the GM.[/quote]
http://twitter.com/#!/Buster_ESPN/status/120967776625111040
GWQuote Reply
[quote name=GW]http://twitter.com/#!/Buster_ESPN/status/120967776625111040[/quote]John Henry: If Theo leaves, we’ll give Friedman whatever he wants.
Rest of Red Sox Hierarchy: /nod heads
John Henry: Meeting adjourned.
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Well, fuck. FUCK.
MishQuote Reply
While significantly smaller than their deficit against the Yankees, the Rays will have to come back tonight against actual major league baseball players.
GBTSQuote Reply
So was that shit about Castro bogus then?
WaLiQuote Reply
Jennings!
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http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/daily-take/201109/when-will-disgusting-treatment-women-sportswriters-stop
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[quote name=WaLi]So was that shit about Castro bogus then?[/quote]There’s been nothing from any reputable source on it.
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[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/daily-take/201109/when-will-disgusting-treatment-women-sportswriters-stop[/quote]
Based on some of the comments I read about other journalists, isn’t this something that happens regardless of sex or race?
WaLiQuote Reply
[quote name=WaLi]Based on some of the comments I read about other journalists, isn’t this something that happens regardless of sex or race?[/quote]I think persons of color and women are disparaged far more often simply because they are persons of color or women. No one is saying Jemele Hill is a good sportswriter (she isn’t) who has been unfairly persecuted because she is a woman. The argument is more that despite the tone of many of the criticisms of her work, the fact that she is a black woman has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that she’s not a very good sportswriter.
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[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]I think persons of color and women are disparaged far more often simply because they are persons of color or women. No one is saying Jemele Hill is a good sportswriter (she isn’t) who has been unfairly persecuted because she is a woman. The argument is more that despite the tone of many of the criticisms of her work, the fact that she is a black woman has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that she’s not a very good sportswriter.[/quote]
Although obviously wrong of people, I think this has to do with the medium that the material is being delivered. If it was only newspaper, people are not going to take the time to write in and call her names. I’m sure people wouldn’t call her names to her face. But when you post your stuff on the internet, it is easy for people to be rude or insulting. It’s just the way it is. Unfortunately people go for the easy shots, whether sex or race. Heck we call Sullivan a hobbit, right?
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[quote name=WaLi]Although obviously wrong of people, I think this has to do with the medium that the material is being delivered. If it was only newspaper, people are not going to take the time to write in and call her names. I’m sure people wouldn’t call her names to her face. But when you post your stuff on the internet, it is easy for people to be rude or insulting. It’s just the way it is. Unfortunately people go for the easy shots, whether sex or race. Heck we call Sullivan a hobbit, right?[/quote]
I don’t think it’s about name-calling. It’s about the fact that her work is disparaged because she is a woman and people insult her womanhood more than her actual work. I think calling someone a cunt is a bit different than calling them a hobbit even though I have no problem calling PS both. I don’t think people probably ever tell him he’s a shitty writer because he’s a hobbit and hobbits shouldn’t be writing about baseball.
melissaQuote Reply
BTW I saw all kinds of sexist remarks being made about the woman calling the Illinois/Northwestern game on Saturday. There are still so many men that automatically disparage a woman’s view or opinion on sports just because they only want to get this info from other dudes.
Here’s a facebook comment as an example:
And another particular favorite of mine:
melissaQuote Reply
I can’t leave this one out either, apparently this guy is a big Sarah Kustok fan. (dying laughing)
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[quote name=WaLi]Although obviously wrong of people, I think this has to do with the medium that the material is being delivered. If it was only newspaper, people are not going to take the time to write in and call her names. I’m sure people wouldn’t call her names to her face. But when you post your stuff on the internet, it is easy for people to be rude or insulting. It’s just the way it is. Unfortunately people go for the easy shots, whether sex or race. Heck we call Sullivan a hobbit, right?[/quote]Life is no argument.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=melissa]I don’t think it’s about name-calling. It’s about the fact that her work is disparaged because she is a woman and people insult her womanhood more than her actual work. I think calling someone a cunt is a bit different than calling them a hobbit even though I have no problem calling PS both. I don’t think people probably ever tell him he’s a shitty writer because he’s a hobbit and hobbits shouldn’t be writing about baseball.[/quote]Exactly. I call Paul Sullivan a hobbit to demean him in the same manner as he demeans the players about whom he writes. But I don’t go around saying diminutive gingers shouldn’t write about baseball.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=melissa]I don’t think people probably ever tell him he’s a shitty writer because he’s a hobbit and hobbits shouldn’t be writing about baseball.[/quote]
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder] But I don’t go around saying diminutive gingers shouldn’t write about baseball.[/quote]Thank-you both for the (dying laughing)
cdwQuote Reply
Even though calling the NDB a hobbit is due at least in part to his ghastly appearance it also fits his trollish writing style. I also hear much less talk about the appearance of male media members as opposed to females.
melissaQuote Reply
[quote name=melissa]Even though calling the NDB a hobbit is due at least in part to his ghastly appearance it also fits his trollish writing style. I also hear much less talk about the appearance of male media members as opposed to females.[/quote]That’s because they are all ugly fat white guys (dying laughing)
WaLiQuote Reply
pretty decent outing for colbyashi
GWQuote Reply
[quote name=WaLi]That’s because they are all ugly fat white guys (dying laughing)[/quote]
(dying laughing) True and how many ugly fat women do you see in high profile media jobs? Very few.
melissaQuote Reply
[quote name=WaLi]That’s because they are all ugly fat white guys (dying laughing)[/quote]Oh, it’s funny because it’s true. (dying laughing) (dying laughing) (dying laughing)
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
http://www.advancednflstats.com/2011/10/cutlers-sack-struggles.html
GWQuote Reply
[quote name=GW]http://www.advancednflstats.com/2011/10/cutlers-sack-struggles.html[/quote]
Cutler’s sack rate wasn’t high in Denver. I don’t think it’s because of the shotgun either, I can’t even imagine how a less mobile QB would suffer in this mess. Cutler has an epically bad line, terrible receivers and offense with 7 step drops requiring protection for a longer amount of time. Cutler can’t audible or expect his receivers to be where they are supposed to be on hot routes. This is a bad combination and not really because of the shotgun at all in my opinion. I’m very skeptical of football stat analysis because plays are so team dependent, you don’t have the isolated events like you do in baseball.
melissaQuote Reply
[quote name=melissa]Cutler’s sack rate wasn’t high in Denver. I don’t think it’s because of the shotgun either, I can’t even imagine how a less mobile QB would suffer in this mess. Cutler has an epically bad line, terrible receivers and offense with 7 step drops requiring protection for a longer amount of time. Cutler can’t audible or expect his receivers to be where they are supposed to be on hot routes. This is a bad combination and not really because of the shotgun at all in my opinion. I’m very skeptical of football stat analysis because plays are so team dependent, you don’t have the isolated events like you do in baseball.[/quote]
i don’t disagree with any of that. i enjoy that site because it tends to be much more cautious than football outsiders, for example. (Case in point, the linked article was more or less just bringing up the possibility, and showed that the effect wasn’t very strong, league-wide). Unwarranted assumptions tend to be rigorously challenged in the comments section over there.
GWQuote Reply
A sac bunt in the 5th inning of an AL game? Followed by a home run. (dying laughing)
melissaQuote Reply
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/hiestand-tv/story/2011-10-02/fox-mlb-pierzynski-playoffs-nfl-action/50639420/1
GWQuote Reply
Also, I enjoyed this:
[quote name=Brian Burke]Cutler seems to be extending the wrong finger to his o line in that picture.
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GWQuote Reply
Not a great night for Sabathia. Looking at his line I’m surprised the Tigers have only tagged him for three
BerseliusQuote Reply
Tigers should have scored more. The Yankees will score again
Recalcitrant Blogger NateQuote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]Not a great night for Sabathia. Looking at his line I’m surprised the Tigers have only tagged him for three[/quote]Well the announcers were saying that [the bottom of the 5th] was his 9th inning, so 3 runs over 9 isn’t bad (dying laughing)
WaLiQuote Reply
[quote name=WaLi]Well the announcers were saying that [the bottom of the 5th] was his 9th inning, so 3 runs over 9 isn’t bad (dying laughing)[/quote]
I’m confused. Didn’t he only pitch one inning in game one?
/not watching the game
BerseliusQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/daily-take/201109/when-will-disgusting-treatment-women-sportswriters-stop[/quote]
(dying laughing) at Kurt from GROTA getting his ass handed to him on Julie’s fb wall
BerseliusQuote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]I’m confused. Didn’t he only pitch one inning in game one?
/not watching the game[/quote]
I think they were just saying he was treating the last batter like it was his last out or something, since he is most likely done.
WaLiQuote Reply
[quote name=Berselius](dying laughing) at Kurt from GROTA getting his ass handed to him on Julie’s fb wall[/quote]
That’s who that idiot is? (dying laughing) I should have known. He’s just as clueless on FB. Isn’t he the one that used to make quasi-racist remarks on GROTA?
melissaQuote Reply
Bunt! (dying laughing)
WaLiQuote Reply
[quote name=melissa]That’s who that idiot is? (dying laughing) I should have known. He’s just as clueless on FB. Isn’t he the one that used to make quasi-racist remarks on GROTA?[/quote]
No, that was Rob. I’m think this is the guy who ran/runs grota but I’m not sure.
BerseliusQuote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]No, that was Rob. I’m think this is the guy who ran/runs grota but I’m not sure.[/quote]
Ok, I was getting my douchebags mixed up. Thanks. (dying laughing)
melissaQuote Reply
/obligatory
shawndgoldmanQuote Reply
[quote name=Recalcitrant Blogger Nate]Tigers should have scored more. The Yankees will score again[/quote]Correct.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=shawndgoldman]
/obligatory[/quote]
Pretty much. Trying to not feed the troll now, but it’s hard (dying laughing)
BerseliusQuote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]Pretty much. Trying to not feed the troll now, but it’s hard (dying laughing)[/quote]
Hard to argue with a troll who says he’s against trolling. (dying laughing)
melissaQuote Reply
[quote name=melissa]Hard to argue with a troll who says he’s against trolling. (dying laughing)[/quote]
He’s not against trolling. Not when there are so many other Important Issues in the world.
BerseliusQuote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]He’s not against trolling. Not when there are so many other Important Issues in the world.[/quote](dying laughing)
The anti-troll Troll:
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melissaQuote Reply
(dying laughing)
(dying laughing)
(dying laughing)
After all that, I think I can sum up his arguments:
“I get picked on too on the internet and nobody wrote a story about THAT!”
Aisle424Quote Reply
[quote name=Aisle424](dying laughing)
(dying laughing)
(dying laughing)
After all that, I think I can sum up his arguments:
“I get picked on too on the internet and nobody wrote a story about THAT!”[/quote]
(dying laughing), pretty much
BerseliusQuote Reply
I can’t believe you guys are complaining about trolls! STOP BELITTLING THE PROBLEMS CAUSED BY CYBER-BULLIES!!!!!!
shawndgoldmanQuote Reply
Which one are you?
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/
Detroit is winning…
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]Which one are you?
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/
Detroit is winning…[/quote]But, RC… I CAN’T. THIS IS IMPORTANT……
shawndgoldmanQuote Reply
[quote name=shawndgoldman]But, RC… I CAN’T. THIS IS IMPORTANT……[/quote]You must be ALL-CAPS then.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
I want to let you all know that it’s implied that I hope you get dick cancer whenever you disagree with me. This disclaimer will save me the time of sending you all emails directly. (dying laughing)
melissaQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]You must be ALL-CAPS then.[/quote]where is gaius when you need him (dear reader)
shawndgoldmanQuote Reply
[quote name=melissa]I want to let you all know that it’s implied that I hope you get dick cancer whenever you disagree with me. This disclaimer will save me the time of sending you all emails directly. (dying laughing)[/quote]I disagree.
shawndgoldmanQuote Reply
Captain Clutch is not clutch.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
Tigers win. The Tigers Win. The-e-e-e-e-e-e-e Tigers! Win!
shawndgoldmanQuote Reply
Porcello vs. AJ Burnett, i think the Tigers win that series
Recalcitrant Blogger NateQuote Reply
[quote name=melissa]I want to let you all know that it’s implied that I hope you get dick cancer whenever you disagree with me. This disclaimer will save me the time of sending you all emails directly. (dying laughing)[/quote](dying laughing)
mb21Quote Reply
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BerseliusQuote Reply