Walt, left just over the edge of sanity from the events of last week, is left with too little money, too little leverage and too many people to protect.
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Does anybody think Walt will kill himself?
I love Gus’ character. He’s such a manipulative bastard.
[quote name=Mucker]Does anybody think Walt will kill himself?
I love Gus’ character. He’s such a manipulative bastard.[/quote]Gus is awesome. He might be my all-time favorite character. (dying laughing)
I don’t think any end of this show is going to surprise me. A couple weeks back it would have surprised me if Walt did die of cancer, but it won’t now. I think the most shocking way Walt dies would be if Walter Jr. killed him and that wouldn’t even surprise me. I don’t think baby Holly kills Walt. I’ll bet on that. Other than that though, I have no idea.
I am going to miss Gus assuming next week is his final episode. I won’t miss Tyrus. That guys need to be got. /the wire
[quote name=mb21]Gus is awesome. He might be my all-time favorite character. (dying laughing)
I don’t think any end of this show is going to surprise me. A couple weeks back it would have surprised me if Walt did die of cancer, but it won’t now. I think the most shocking way Walt dies would be if Walter Jr. killed him and that wouldn’t even surprise me. I don’t think baby Holly kills Walt. I’ll bet on that. Other than that though, I have no idea.
I am going to miss Gus assuming next week is his final episode. I won’t miss Tyrus. That guys need to be got. /the wire[/quote]It just seems like Walt is running out of options and might think that his death will prevent the death of his family and friends. I think it would be pretty crazy if after all his drug dealing and all the money he made, that he ended up dying and leaving his family with nothing like originally would have happened if he died from cancer.
Yeah, Giancarlo should get a lot of work after this show, he’s a great actor.
[quote name=mb22]I’m pretty sure Walt is going to die with nothing to leave his family. (dying laughing)[/quote]Or better yet, survive with nothing to leave his family.
I kinda agree on Tyrus. To say he hasn’t a lot of personality would be a pretty stark understatement…
I sure hope this isn’t the last we see of little Saul Goodman. I’ve come to develop quite an affection for the young man.
I like Saul. If something goes wrong, I know who to call. (dying laughing)
I understand the character Tyrus doesn’t call for much emotion and I’ll even admit that I’ve laughed at his non-answers on occasion. I laughed when he couldn’t extend his arm to hand Jesse the phone, but I don’t like him. I’m actually hoping Jesse kills him.
This was a weird episode. The first segment after the opening credits was expected (Walt alerts DEA about hit on Hank, Gus tries to use that to get Jesse’s kill order). But after that WTF?
The poisoning of the Kid and everything else after it felt pressed/contrived. Initially, I bought Walt’s line that it was a way to punish Jesse (“appropriate respons”) and get the ok to kill Walt. After all, it figured that Walt needs Jesse to kill Gus and the best way to get Jesse back on his side is the play kid angle (though I thought it would be about killing Walt’s “infant daughter).
But everything else (holes in the plan/plot holes) do seem to point to Gus not poisoning the Kid but instead Walt was the culprit. I’ve bought in to that line of reasoning. Certainly, the whole plot twist leaves loose ends that I have faith the writers will tie up in the season finale.
I don’t see how Walt could have killed Brock (he will die, right?). Jesse had the cigarette in the morning and the only person he came in contact with was Hewell who may have taken it, but that’s a huge stretch. At what point in that pat down did Hewell reach into Jesse’s pocket, take the cigarette and put them back in? That’s at least 3 to 4 seconds and that’s if you pull the cigarette out cleanly. Every smoker knows that sometimes not the case. I’ve smoked for about 20 years and it takes me a good 6 to 8 seconds to get in my picket, get a cigarette and put them back. That’s if I’m hurrying. There’s just no way Walt could have done it.
In the room where he and Gus and Tyrus were at in the hospital, Jesse messed up. Remember back in the first season when they first cooked the ricin? Walt said it would look like a normal illness and the person would get worse and die. They’d never know what it was. That’s exactly how the illness was at first with Brock. They thought it was the flu until Jesse told her, but then he told Gus that Brock wasn’t sick; he was poisoned. Based on what Walt said in season 1 and I think he said it again in season 2 and maybe even season 3, there would have been no way to know that. Jesse tipped Gus off.
That’s why the so-called spidey sense discussed on Sepinwall’s blog didn’t make sense to me. Jesse did tip Gus off. Was it intentional? I don’t think so, but Gus, as he was approaching the car, started to put it together. How could Jesse know he was poisoned? If he knew he was poisoned, Jesse then knew the only person who had access to that cigarette was at the lab and therefore Gus was responsible.
I thought it was an episode that probably would have been best done without some parts, but Gilligan was building up to the finale so it doesn’t bother me. It’s why I asked last week if Gus would be killed in the 12th episode. It seemed to me after the 11th one that it was set up for Gus to be taken out the next episode. I didn’t think it would happen so I was sure Gilligan would string that story along a little longer than he probably should have.
There are some loose ends, which I assume get filled in next week, but I’m not sure there are as many as you thought. I actually thought the Brock situation was well done until Jesse fucked up and gave their plan away. As soon as Jesse said “he was poisoned” I was thinking to myself that he just blew it.
FWIW, I don’t think Walt wants Jesse to kill Gus. I think he sincerely wants him to get in his car and drive as far away as possible. I think Walt wants to take Gus out. Walt, at least to him, is beyond redemption and killing one more guy won’t matter. He still thinks Jesse can do something with his life.
[quote name=mb21]I don’t see how Walt could have killed Brock (he will die, right?). Jesse had the cigarette in the morning and the only person he came in contact with was Hewell who may have taken it, but that’s a huge stretch. At what point in that pat down did Hewell reach into Jesse’s pocket, take the cigarette and put them back in? That’s at least 3 to 4 seconds and that’s if you pull the cigarette out cleanly. Every smoker knows that sometimes not the case. I’ve smoked for about 20 years and it takes me a good 6 to 8 seconds to get in my picket, get a cigarette and put them back. That’s if I’m hurrying. There’s just no way Walt could have done it. [/quote]Full pack switch. Huwell definitely is putting his left hand into his pocket post frisk. In reality this is problematic any any smoker would tell you. (Jesse knows if that pack is half full or down to 4). I don’t know that Ricin was actually used to poison Brock just that the Ricin cig is gone would make Jesse think Walt poisoned him…at first look.
In the room where he and Gus and Tyrus were at in the hospital, Jesse messed up. Remember back in the first season when they first cooked the ricin? Walt said it would look like a normal illness and the person would get worse and die. They’d never know what it was. That’s exactly how the illness was at first with Brock. They thought it was the flu until Jesse told her, but then he told Gus that Brock wasn’t sick; he was poisoned. Based on what Walt said in season 1 and I think he said it again in season 2 and maybe even season 3, there would have been no way to know that. Jesse tipped Gus off.
But the Ricin also would’ve taken more than a day to show its effects. Probably sooner on a child but we are talking hours here…Either way we the poisoning is either Ricin or is supposed to look like Ricin. That doesn’t implicate Gus more than Walt IMO. What is weird is the Girl saying the doctors thought Brock was poisoned. That seems like an odd conclusion to a hard to diagnose problem.
That’s why the so-called spidey sense discussed on Sepinwall’s blog didn’t make sense to me. Jesse did tip Gus off. Was it intentional? I don’t think so, but Gus, as he was approaching the car, started to put it together. How could Jesse know he was poisoned? If he knew he was poisoned, Jesse then knew the only person who had access to that cigarette was at the lab and therefore Gus was responsible.
Jesse thought he was poisoned b/c of the Girl. He doesn’t KNOW. I agree that Jesse could’ve tipped off Gus in the Chapel. It makes even more sense to me that Gus stops in the car garage if he didn’t poison Brock.
[quote name=mb21] I thought it was an episode that probably would have been best done without some parts, but Gilligan was building up to the finale so it doesn’t bother me. It’s why I asked last week if Gus would be killed in the 12th episode. It seemed to me after the 11th one that it was set up for Gus to be taken out the next episode. I didn’t think it would happen so I was sure Gilligan would string that story along a little longer than he probably should have. [/quote]If VG kills off Gus I’m not sure where next season goes. That doesn’t mean Gus will survive but the writers haven’t set up much context for what happens if Gus dies. They have the Hank story line but that could fall apart with out Gus. I just don’t see how the super lab can run without Gus. Loyalties of enforcers. Distributions. Supply logistics. WTF? How could Jesse and Walt overcome all of those problems without connections which they lack? Better call Saul I guess.
FWIW, I don’t think Walt wants Jesse to kill Gus. I think he sincerely wants him to get in his car and drive as far away as possible. I think Walt wants to take Gus out. Walt, at least to him, is beyond redemption and killing one more guy won’t matter. He still thinks Jesse can do something with his life.
Oh yea, Walt wants to be the one to get Gus. If feeds his ego and he has made Gus into a symbol of his own disfunction.
[quote name=mb21]The finale we get to see Walt knock. I’m sure of that. You don’t have that intense moment earlier in the season and then not knock later on.
My prediction: Gus gets killed at his home after Walt knocks on his door.
Mike has to show up again, right? Will he help?[/quote]I would like to see Walt knock. I still root for him more times than not. Even if Walt gets his cosmic payback (We know VG believes in consequences for actions) I’d like Walt reach his ambitions before he finds freedom in the ground. Mike has to come back. They won’t leave him to root. He has been an important secondary character
[quote name=cdw]Full pack switch. Huwell definitely is putting his left hand into his pocket post frisk. In reality this is problematic any any smoker would tell you. (Jesse knows if that pack is half full or down to 4). I don’t know that Ricin was actually used to poison Brock just that the Ricin cig is gone would make Jesse think Walt poisoned him…at first look.[/quote]I hadn’t thought about a full pack switch. That’s interesting. I don’t know if you’re a smoker or not, but at least for me, I don’t know how many cigarettes are in my pack. I just don’t remember when I opened a pack. I smoke a little less than a pack a day and I get the feeling that Jesse smokes at least that much if not more. I don’t know that he’d know how many cigarettes he’d have. I certainly don’t think he’d be confident. I just opened one. I always take the dog for a walk around 10 pm and smoke a cigarette. It’s the last one I have each day. If there was 5 there in the morning I wouldn’t think twice (before having talked about it of course).
I still think Gus did it. He did say other arrangements would be made.
As for next season, I’m more worried about it if Gus doesn’t get killed. At some point the story lines are going to be the same. I just don’t think there’s a Gus story to be told anymore.
I think Mike has to be a factor in this. Next season has to be about Hank closing in on Walt. That story hasn’t really been told. I think there’s a lot to tell there.
Not sure how production continues, but Walt and Gus can’t coexist. Somehow Walt has to steal the entire operation, but I don’t know that it’s that hard to do. People want meth and if they can’t get it from Gus, they’ll get it from Walt. I assume if this happens they somehow find themselves in bed with another lunatic.
[quote name=cdw]I would like to see Walt knock. I still root for him more times than not. Even if Walt gets his cosmic payback (We know VG believes in consequences for actions) I’d like Walt reach his ambitions before he finds freedom in the ground. Mike has to come back. They won’t leave him to root. He has been an important secondary character[/quote]I root for him in the same way I rooted for Tony Soprano and still root for Dexter Morgan. None of them are good human beings, but the characters are intriguing and requires one to root for them in some way. I want him to leave something to his family, though I honestly doubt that happens. I expect the only thing he leaves to his family is the cost of his funeral. I also expect Walt to suffer the consequences of his actions.
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[quote name=mb21] As for next season, I’m more worried about it if Gus doesn’t get killed. At some point the story lines are going to be the same. I just don’t think there’s a Gus story to be told anymore. [/quote]This is a legimate concern with Gus staying alive. BB has been good with keeping the story fresh and not milking it/becoming formuliac. The situation with Gus is volatile. I could see him staying alive if other elements are going to change early in the next season. eg Gus kills Skylar/family members, Mike vs Gus (doubt it), Gus kills Jesse.
[quote name=mb21] I think Mike has to be a factor in this. Next season has to be about Hank closing in on Walt. That story hasn’t really been told. I think there’s a lot to tell there.[/quote]The Hank/DEA v Walt story line is ripe but I’m worried it dies with Gus. Certainly it hasn’t been fully explored and could be a poetic demise for Walt. You know Walt would HATE being taken down by Hank. Walt sees him as a threat to his masculinity, fatherhood and an intellectual inferior.
[quote name=mb21]I root for him in the same way I rooted for Tony Soprano and still root for Dexter Morgan. None of them are good human beings, but the characters are intriguing and requires one to root for them in some way. I want him to leave something to his family, though I honestly doubt that happens. I expect the only thing he leaves to his family is the cost of his funeral. I also expect Walt to suffer the consequences of his actions. [/quote]I root for Dex but that show needs a fucking arc. It’s hard for me to be excited about its return b/c I fully expect the same story line from seasons 2-5 to play out again. Oh, Dex found a friend. NOPE! Dead. Fucking take some risks. Right now Hall and Showtime are arguing about money for seasons 7 &/maybe 8. Do one more season and quit being a bunch of money grabbing pussies (No offense to women sportswriters)
[quote name=cdw]The Hank/DEA v Walt story line is ripe but I’m worried it dies with Gus. Certainly it hasn’t been fully explored and could be a poetic demise for Walt. You know Walt would HATE being taken down by Hank. Walt sees him as a threat to his masculinity, fatherhood and an intellectual inferior.[/quote]I think Hank, in some way, already suspects Walt. Hank is a really smart guy. That’s one of the things I like about the show. There’s not one guy whose intelligent stands above the rest. You’ve got Walt, Gus and Hank and all of them are working against one another.
See, I thought Gus doing his whole “spidey-sense” routine in the parking garage definitely confirmed that he poisoned the kid. He came to the realization that his plan had failed.
Gus went to see Jesse to talk to him. Jesse tipped him off that he suspects the kid was poisoned. But he DOESN’T tell Gus he thinks it was Mr. White, which is obviously what Gus was planning. I think as Gus was walking back to the car he was thinking over and over, “Why didn’t he mention Walt? Why doesn’t he suspect him?” and it finally smacked him in the face, “What if he doesn’t suspect Walt because he already talked to him?” For all Gus knows, Jesse has been at the hospital overnight. That’s when it finally dawned on him that the two of them may have been in contact, and he’s been drawn out in the open.
Plus, Gus came from Chile under Pinochet. He can probably smell a car bomb from ten miles away.
The idea that Walt called Saul and asked him for one last favor to have his goon do the switcheroo on Jesse’s cigarettes just seems to implausible to me. It seems way more plausible that Saul fears retribution from Gus for giving Walt the opportunity to disappear, so he had Pinkman frisked juuuuuuuuuust in case.
I agree with GBTS here. I was thinking the same thing, but that’s because I immediately knew Jesse screwed up. I actually thought they would call him on it there, but Gus immediately had a change of heart and told Jesse the batch was already destroyed, Tyrus would clean it out and Jesse could come back to work next week. Gus clearly caught the screw up by Jesse. Like GBTS said, since Jesse didn’t immediately blame Walt, there’s only one other person he can blame and that person just left his car unattended.
I also thought Gus not going to the car confirmed he did it, but that’s in part because I never thought Walt did. Walt is, in many ways a piece of shit, but I don’t see him killing a kid to get Jesse back on his side.
See, I thought Gus doing his whole “spidey-sense” routine in the parking garage definitely confirmed that he poisoned the kid. He came to the realization that his plan had failed.
I don’t think that bit confirms either Walt or Gus is responsible fore the poisoning. It could go either way (dying laughing)
I just don’t think it’s possible that Walt did this. It’s so against his character that it’s hard to believe and the timeline doesn’t fit. Walt was supposedly home all day and I believe he was. He was content to die and was going to wait it out. I don’t see any reason that he’d then go kill The Kid. It’s much easier to believe that Gus was responsible.
Gus went to see Jesse to talk to him. Jesse tipped him off that he suspects the kid was poisoned. But he DOESN’T tell Gus he thinks it was Mr. White, which is obviously what Gus was planning. I think as Gus was walking back to the car he was thinking over and over, “Why didn’t he mention Walt? Why doesn’t he suspect him?” and it finally smacked him in the face, “What if he doesn’t suspect Walt because he already talked to him?” For all Gus knows, Jesse has been at the hospital overnight. That’s when it finally dawned on him that the two of them may have been in contact, and he’s been drawn out in the open.
I agree that Jesse did enough to tip off Gus in the chapel if Gus had poisoned Brock. (recoiling from Gus’s touch/he’s so tender). Though I’m not sure why Jesse would mention Walt in reference to the poisoning with the Ricin as that logic would incriminate himself.
[quote name=mb21]I just don’t think it’s possible that Walt did this. It’s so against his character that it’s hard to believe and the timeline doesn’t fit. Walt was supposedly home all day and I believe he was. He was content to die and was going to wait it out. I don’t see any reason that he’d then go kill The Kid. It’s much easier to believe that Gus was responsible.[/quote]I don’t think we can assume Walt was at home all day. Especially since he had an idea (gun spinning scene) that he was trying to pull off. If he was content to die that gun never lands on the plant (3rd spin).
I also think this plan has some hallmarks of Walt in that it is kind of reckless and would draw the attention of the police at the hospital. I don’t think Gus would want that collateral in his type of plan.
[quote name=mb21]Jesse could say they made the ricin to kill Tuco so he was familiar with it and knew Walt could cook it.[/quote]I thought about something like that when I was posting but left it out due to laziness. Certainly Jesse could use that line of reasoning but man if Jesse really thinks it was Gus that poisoned Brock then mentioning the Ricin specifically/Walt’s connection to it really heightens the stress in the situation (already stressful, of couse). Of course Jesse already said poison. Not his best moment.
[quote name=mb21]I don’t think Gus thought they’d know it was poison.[/quote]I’m not trying to promote and conspiracy shit here but its weird to me that The Docs/The Girl thought Brock was poisoned. That just seems like an unlikely diagnosis to me.
[quote name=GBTS]The idea that Walt called Saul and asked him for one last favor to have his goon do the switcheroo on Jesse’s cigarettes just seems to implausible to me. It seems way more plausible that Saul fears retribution from Gus for giving Walt the opportunity to disappear, so he had Pinkman frisked juuuuuuuuuust in case.[/quote]If that is the case the whole Heuwell land hand to the pocket thing has to be a red herring.
Anyway, next episode needs to deal with this situation even if Gus was responsible. b/c there are a lot of logistics that need to come out. How exactly was Brock and only Brock poisoned. How did Gus know about the Ricin cig.
[quote name=cdw]I don’t think we can assume Walt was at home all day. Especially since he had an idea (gun spinning scene) that he was trying to pull off. If he was content to die that gun never lands on the plant (3rd spin).
I also think this plan has some hallmarks of Walt in that it is kind of reckless and would draw the attention of the police at the hospital. I don’t think Gus would want that collateral in his type of plan.[/quote]Can we agree that Jesse was immediately going to think it was Walt? Walt, as far he knew, was the only person who knew he kept it in his cigarettes and it’s gone. If we agree to that, don’t we also have to think that when Jesse comes over there’s no chance that Walt is going to leave his gun like he did? He has to know that Jesse is going to suspect him and that if he leaves the gun he could just pick it up and fire without asking any questions and be satisfied.
I don’t think Walt thought he could leave the gun and then convince Jesse. I just don’t see that as the grand plan for Walt.
[quote name=cdw]I’m not trying to promote and conspiracy shit here but its weird to me that The Docs/The Girl thought Brock was poisoned. That just seems like an unlikely diagnosis to me.[/quote]I’m assuming The Girl told the doctor what Jesse said. The more surprising thing to me is that the CDC wasn’t there and Jesse came and went from the hospital. If someone tells a doctor it’s ricin and it fits with the symptoms, people are being questioned. This is post 9/11 America. Shit, even before 9/11 you’d be questioned. That’s the biggest hole I thought there was in the episode, but it’s a relatively meaningless one. It would unnecessarily complicate things.
cdw, that aw snap image above…is that from Chrome? Have you had issues in Firefox? I have noticed a little weirdness the last few days in Firefox, but nothing like that.
[quote name=mb21]Can we agree that Jesse was immediately going to think it was Walt? Walt, as far he knew, was the only person who knew he kept it in his cigarettes and it’s gone. If we agree to that, don’t we also have to think that when Jesse comes over there’s no chance that Walt is going to leave his gun like he did? He has to know that Jesse is going to suspect him and that if he leaves the gun he could just pick it up and fire without asking any questions and be satisfied.
I don’t think Walt thought he could leave the gun and then convince Jesse. I just don’t see that as the grand plan for Walt.[/quote]We can absolutely agree that Jesse would go to Walt first. I don’t think Walt would leave the gun there if he did poison Brock. Unless the gun didn’t have bullets at that time in which case it could be used for nice leveraging of the situation. Of couse, I do think if Walt did poison Jesse that Walt would need to assume that Jesse brings his own loaded gun.
[quote name=mb21]I’m assuming The Girl told the doctor what Jesse said. The more surprising thing to me is that the CDC wasn’t there and Jesse came and went from the hospital. If someone tells a doctor it’s ricin and it fits with the symptoms, people are being questioned. This is post 9/11 America. Shit, even before 9/11 you’d be questioned. That’s the biggest hole I thought there was in the episode, but it’s a relatively meaningless one. It would unnecessarily complicate things.[/quote]I thought the girl told Jesse that Brock was poisoned before Jesse went for his smoke.
[quote name=mb21]cdw, that aw snap image above…is that from Chrome? Have you had issues in Firefox? I have noticed a little weirdness the last few days in Firefox, but nothing like that.[/quote]Yeah, its chrome. The image is bigger if you open it in a new tab. I don’t fuck with Firefox anymore b/c it would always crash its self or my OS. I switched to Chrome a couple of years back. The only problem is the build up of allocated memory for all of the tabs that Chrome doesn’t flush out when they close.
[quote name=cdw]If that is the case the whole Heuwell land hand to the pocket thing has to be a red herring. [/quote]That’s what I think. It helped enable Jesse’s paranoia that Walt did it and set up that intense scene between the two.
[quote name=cdw]I don’t think we can assume Walt was at home all day. Especially since he had an idea (gun spinning scene) that he was trying to pull off. If he was content to die that gun never lands on the plant (3rd spin). [/quote]Oh man, I totally forgot about that scene. Now I definitely think Walt did it. (dying laughing)
This might be a stupid point but how do we know that Brock just didn’t grab a smoke out of Jesse’s pack and smoke it? He is afterall an impressionable kid. He seems to really be fond of Jesse and maybe he wanted to smoke a cig like Jesse. I don’t know what possible reason VG would do that unless he wanted to create this chaotic atmosphere between Walt, Gus and Jesse.
That being said, if he was poisoned by someone, I would believe it to be Gus and not Walt.
[quote name=Mucker]This might be a stupid point but how do we know that Brock just didn’t grab a smoke out of Jesse’s pack and smoke it? He is afterall an impressionable kid. He seems to really be fond of Jesse and maybe he wanted to smoke a cig like Jesse. I don’t know what possible reason VG would do that unless he wanted to create this chaotic atmosphere between Walt, Gus and Jesse.
That being said, if he was poisoned by someone, I would believe it to be Gus and not Walt.[/quote]The cig isn’t laced with Ricin, the ricin is in a vial in the cig. Thats not really smokable with out extreme measures.
[quote name=cdw]The cig isn’t laced with Ricin, the ricin is in a vial in the cig. Thats not really smokable with out extreme measures.[/quote]Oh right, I do remember it was in a vial now.
This might be a stupid point but how do we know that Brock just didn’t grab a smoke out of Jesse’s pack and smoke it? He is afterall an impressionable kid.
This is exactly what I thought happened, which is why I was flabbergasted that Jesse initially blamed Walt. Then my girlfriend reminded me about the vial.
Also, AMC should have put a disclaimer before the scene with Walt and Jesse, like they did about the intense violence in the box cutter scene, but have it say “Attention Viewers: You Are About to Watch Two Men Win an Emmy.”
[quote name=cdw]I thought the girl told Jesse that Brock was poisoned before Jesse went for his smoke.[/quote]No, she said they thought it was the flu, which is what Walt had said once when he was talking about it. Jesse then can’t go into the ICU so goes out for a smoke and notices the cigarette missing. He then runs back in and tells The Girl (what the hell is her name?).
[quote name=GBTS]Also, AMC should have put a disclaimer before the scene with Walt and Jesse, like they did about the intense violence in the box cutter scene, but have it say “Attention Viewers: You Are About to Watch Two Men Win an Emmy.”[/quote](dying laughing) there have been so many Emmy winning scenes by each of them this season that it’s almost impossible they don’t both win.
[quote name=cdw]Yeah, its chrome. The image is bigger if you open it in a new tab. I don’t fuck with Firefox anymore b/c it would always crash its self or my OS. I switched to Chrome a couple of years back. The only problem is the build up of allocated memory for all of the tabs that Chrome doesn’t flush out when they close.[/quote]I did click on it. I’m heading out of town later tonight and won’t be back until next week. I won’t have access to the internet except on my phone and I hate using that for the internet. So I’ll start using Chrome (on the Mac) when I get back next week and see if I can get it to do it for me.
[quote name=mb21]I thought the gun scene was about whether or not Walt should take his own life. Am I the only one who thought that?[/quote]I think that was one of this options. I think he thought of another idea when the gun pointed toward the plant.
[quote name=mb21]I thought the gun scene was about whether or not Walt should take his own life. Am I the only one who thought that?[/quote]Yeah when it turned away from him on the third spin I think Walt interpreted that as, “Don’t just sit here, go out and do something.”
Go out and do something is one thing, go out and kill a kid is quite different. Go out and do something could be as simple as deciding to fight. You’re going to take one or two of them with you. We haven’t seen anything from Walt in these last 4 seasons that would give us any indication that he would be willing to kill a child.
Plus, Walt can easily make ricin so why not just make some and have Saul pass along something that indicates the boy may have been poisoned? It seems a lot easier than the full pack switch theory. There are a number of ways for Walt to kill the kid with ricin and to get Jesse to think that Walt may be behind it. At that point it’s relatively easy because Jesse wants to be convinced it’s not Mr. White.
[quote name=GBTS]I agree, I’m still 85% sure Gus did it.[/quote]I’ve been following the thread on The Book Blog on Amanda Knox because they were talking about what percentage you’d have to be sure a person was guilty in order to convict. I’d convict Gus of murder (assuming Brock dies, which he has to, right?). I’m that certain.
[quote name=GBTS]Awful convenient of Walt to hide from Gus’ goons at his own house though . . .[/quote]Yeah, but there are too many holes in the “Walt did it” theory. He would know Jesse is coming over to kill him so he’d need to have gun ready because he would assume Jesse has one. If he’s killing a child, there’s no way he’s just going to let Jesse kill him. Why did he have to steal the ricin when he can make it rather easily? It’s easy enough to get info to Jesse that Walt may have been behind it and it’s easy enough to convince Jesse that Gus is behind it.
The “Gus did it” theory wraps up nicely in my opinion. He told Jesse he would make other arrangements regarding Walt’s death. Tyrus took the cigarette and somehow gave it to the boy. Gus has killed children before while Walt has not. I don’t believe Saul would be involved with anything that has to do with killing a child either. At that moment, Jesse is his meal ticket. Jesse is employed by Gus and he can pay Jesse millions and millions. I don’t see Saul doing anything that would hurt that. He needs Jesse more than he needs Walt.
Besides, Walt doesn’t have a job so him being at home isn’t really that surprising, is it?
[quote name=mb21]Go out and do something is one thing, go out and kill a kid is quite different. Go out and do something could be as simple as deciding to fight. You’re going to take one or two of them with you. We haven’t seen anything from Walt in these last 4 seasons that would give us any indication that he would be willing to kill a child.
Plus, Walt can easily make ricin so why not just make some and have Saul pass along something that indicates the boy may have been poisoned? It seems a lot easier than the full pack switch theory. There are a number of ways for Walt to kill the kid with ricin and to get Jesse to think that Walt may be behind it. At that point it’s relatively easy because Jesse wants to be convinced it’s not Mr. White.[/quote]Walt doesn’t have to kill the kid. He just needs to make him sick so it looks like Ricin poisoning.
[quote name=mb21]Yeah, but there are too many holes in the “Walt did it” theory. He would know Jesse is coming over to kill him so he’d need to have gun ready because he would assume Jesse has one. If he’s killing a child, there’s no way he’s just going to let Jesse kill him. Why did he have to steal the ricin when he can make it rather easily?It’s easy enough to get info to Jesse that Walt may have been behind it and it’s easy enough to convince Jesse that Gus is behind it. [/quote]Walt doesn’t need the Ricin. He just needs Jesse to think it was him that poisoned Brock. Really, taking the cig is complicated but it is the most convincing way to get Jesse to think Walt is responsible. But you see how complicated and hard to pull off the plan is? That looks like a Walt design to me. It also, leaves me thinking he couldn’t pull it off. I’m still leaning toward the Walt poisoning though (dying laughing)
He doesn’t really give anything away regarding who poisoned Brock. The one thing he does say is that he was tipped off and then begins thinking about that word poison over and over as he’s approaching the car. He then says Walt is behind this. Behind what? Behind getting him to the hospital or behind all of it? Seems a stretch that Walt could be behind all of it. I don’t know.
[quote name=cdw]Walt doesn’t need the Ricin. He just needs Jesse to think it was him that poisoned Brock. Really, taking the cig is complicated but it is the most convincing way to get Jesse to think Walt is responsible. But you see how complicated and hard to pull off the plan is? That looks like a Walt design to me. It also, leaves me thinking he couldn’t pull it off. I’m still leaning toward the Walt poisoning though (dying laughing)[/quote]I guess I could see it the more I’ve thought about it and discussed it, but it might be because I’ve just gone over it too many times. (dying laughing)
I just don’t see Walt using a kid to get Jesse on his side. Walt, throughout the series, has tried to protect Jesse (in odd ways of course). This seems to be the exact opposite.
My only questions are how did Gus and his cronies know Jesse had the Ricin? If they found it in his locker, how would they not assume he was trying to kill Gus and just kill Jesse? Why would Walt kill a kid like Brock? To manipulate Jesse into getting back on his team? Seems a bit of a stretch. I can understand Gus doing it so that Jesse will give the OK to kill Walt. I just can’t understand Walt doing it at all.
[quote name=Mucker]My only questions are how did Gus and his cronies know Jesse had the Ricin? If they found it in his locker, how would they not assume he was trying to kill Gus and just kill Jesse? Why would Walt kill a kid like Brock? To manipulate Jesse into getting back on his team? Seems a bit of a stretch. I can understand Gus doing it so that Jesse will give the OK to kill Walt. I just can’t understand Walt doing it at all.[/quote]Walt does it so Episode 411 plays out exactly like it did so he has Jesse on his side helping him to kill Gus.
[quote name=cdw]Walt does it so Episode 411 plays out exactly like it did so he has Jesse on his side helping him to kill Gus.[/quote]Yeah I understand why he would do it but Walt and Jesse’s relationship is shit right now and what’s the guarantee he could get Jesse to believe it wasn’t him and not want to kill him? That’s a huge risk for Walt to take. When would Walt have even taken the vial? The only time he saw him was the previous night and we know Jesse had the vial that morning.
[quote name=Mucker]Yeah I understand why he would do it but Walt and Jesse’s relationship is shit right now and what’s the guarantee he could get Jesse to believe it wasn’t him and not want to kill him? That’s a huge risk for Walt to take. When would Walt have even taken the vial? The only time he saw him was the previous night and we know Jesse had the vial that morning.[/quote]The vial discussion is above. The risk of Jesse killing Walt isn’t as bad when Walt already thinks he is a dead man.
What if Gus poisoned the kid with something other than Ricin and was shocked when Jesse said he was poisoned knowing damn well there was no way he could know? During his walk to the car, maybe he realized that Jesse knew of a poison and assumed it was something Walt conjured up.
Edit: I just watched the interview video so my theory is complete shit. But I don’t know who would do it now. Maybe nobody poisoned him and Brock found the cigarette and thought the vial was drugs and after watching his mom, uncle and Jesse do drugs, decided he wanted to try them?
I think Brock stealing the cigarette and finding the vial is more likely than Walt doing it. After thinking about it more, I’d go with GBTS’ 85% Gus did it, 10% Brock stole it and 5% Gus did it.
I’m leaning towards Walt poisoning but its like 55% Walt, 45% Gus. Although, I haven’t been arguing in those ratios (dying laughing) I don’t think Brock got poisoned/sick by accident. BB doesn’t really do that random chance thing much. It doesn’t fit into VGs world view for the show (actions have consequences). Everything is very causal.
I’m excited for the finale but not the layoff between seasons. These people need to go to work everyday like the rest of us god damnit…so I can have my shows (dying laughing)
I agree BB doesn’t do random chance, but Jesse would feel as though he killed the kid if that happened. It would essentially be the end of Jesse’s life as we’ve seen so far.
I agree that I’m ready for the finale, but the layoff is going to suck. It always does. As you mentioned earlier, Dexter isn’t as good as it once was. I’ve been watching Sons of Anarchy again. I thought the end of season 2 sucked and a lot of people said season 3 was pretty bad. Season 4 has been so far and I’m not sure I’ll keep watching. So when Breaking Bad ends that sucks. I really liked the first season of Shameless and am looking forward to that. Same thing about The Borgias, but that’s not up there with BB.
[quote name=mb21]I agree BB doesn’t do random chance, but Jesse would feel as though he killed the kid if that happened. It would essentially be the end of Jesse’s life as we’ve seen so far.[/quote]This is a good point. Also,
[quote name=mb21]It’s also going to suck because it sounds like season 5 will be split into 2 seasons. So next year we get 8 episodes instead of 13.[/quote]What?! I thought they were doing a full 13 episodes. If they still are cool. But fuck them for splitting it up. I hate when stories get split up like that. It always hurts the momentum of the story.
[quote name=cdw]What?! I thought they were doing a full 13 episodes. If they still are cool. But fuck them for splitting it up. I hate when stories get split up like that. It always hurts the momentum of the story.
Cum guzzlers.[/quote]Season 5 is going to be 16 episodes so that’s the only upside, but last I read season 5a would air 8 episodes next summer and 5b the final 8 of the series the following year. I hate that too.
Lost in all the Brock talk was the scene with Gomez at the laundry. I thought he was the DEA on the take (We know Mike has guys inside). But the drug sniffing dog killed that IMO.
After rewatching the Pinkman/Mr. White scene I’m more inclined to believe it was Gus that poisoned Brock. Walt isn’t capable of that performance if its not authentic. He had another manic laughter episode. The details of how he was acting to the whole situation starting from Jesse knocking to Jesse leaving would’ve had to be a Cranston quality acting job.
I was planning to put together a review of the season, but I’m not going to get it published until next week. I was hoping I could publish it Monday, but that’s not possible.
One of the things I love about this show is how the violence is driven by both character development and plot equally. The writing is well thought out. Its bold yet consistent with its world and characters. The acting is obviously superb. The editing is creative and adds emotion.
BB Review: Fuck you if you haven’t been watching this show. If you have and need a review go watch the episodes again. Enjoy fuckfaces.
BB Review: Fuck you if you haven’t been watching this show. If you have and need a review go watch the episodes again. Enjoy fuckfaces.
(dying laughing) basically yeah. I set up a personal blog after I shut down The Hawkeye State. I never write anything on it other than a few entries about the Hawkeyes. I know I wanted to write about tv on their on occasion, but haven’t done that and figure a review of the season would be a good start.
I think BB became the best show in tv history with its 3rd season. The Wire was a fantastic show. I always like The Sopranos better than that, but not by much. In both of those shows the writing was superb. The directing was for the most part. There were some very good actors too. in Breaking Bad, everything is excellent. The writing is as good as anything that’s ever been on tv. The plots are as tight as any show ever. The directing, camerawork, and editing are all fantastic. Despite all that greatness, the acting still stands out as the best aspect in my opinion. Walt and Jesse have been awesome throughout. I thought the guy who played Tuco did a brilliant job. Gus is outstanding. Hank, while a little annoying at times, is very good in that role too. The weak spots are Marie and Skyler.
If you were going to pick a scene from this season to show emmy voters for Aaron Paul and Bryan Cranston, where do you start? It’s been episode after episode in which they’ve both turned in emmy winning performances. The same is true for Gus. I just don’t think there’s ever been a show that’s as good at as much as BB is.
In baseball terms, Breaking Bad is Barry Bonds. He literally did everything well above average. I’m pretty sure he picked his nose better than other players. The Wire and The Sopranos, in my opinion, are like Albert Pujols. Primarily relegated to 1st base for defensive reasons, but a plus defensively at the position he plays. Pujols does everything well, but plays a less demanding defensive position.
Another show that isn’t talked about on here, but is one of my favorites is Six Feet Under. Anyone see that show?
Another reason why I’m pretty positive Walt didn’t do it is because when Jesse knocks on the door and says its him, Walt’s reaction is genuinely edgy. If this were his plan all along, to get Jesse to come over, I think he’d have a different reaction when he realized it was working. He wouldn’t have had to start “acting” until he let Jesse in the door.
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Does anybody think Walt will kill himself?
I love Gus’ character. He’s such a manipulative bastard.
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Didn’t someone around here predict an explosive season finale?
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I watched it a day earlier than I thought I would. Wow. What a great stretch of episodes for this season. It’s impressive.
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[quote name=Mucker]Does anybody think Walt will kill himself?
I love Gus’ character. He’s such a manipulative bastard.[/quote]Gus is awesome. He might be my all-time favorite character. (dying laughing)
I don’t think any end of this show is going to surprise me. A couple weeks back it would have surprised me if Walt did die of cancer, but it won’t now. I think the most shocking way Walt dies would be if Walter Jr. killed him and that wouldn’t even surprise me. I don’t think baby Holly kills Walt. I’ll bet on that. Other than that though, I have no idea.
I am going to miss Gus assuming next week is his final episode. I won’t miss Tyrus. That guys need to be got. /the wire
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[quote name=mb21]Gus is awesome. He might be my all-time favorite character. (dying laughing)
I don’t think any end of this show is going to surprise me. A couple weeks back it would have surprised me if Walt did die of cancer, but it won’t now. I think the most shocking way Walt dies would be if Walter Jr. killed him and that wouldn’t even surprise me. I don’t think baby Holly kills Walt. I’ll bet on that. Other than that though, I have no idea.
I am going to miss Gus assuming next week is his final episode. I won’t miss Tyrus. That guys need to be got. /the wire[/quote]It just seems like Walt is running out of options and might think that his death will prevent the death of his family and friends. I think it would be pretty crazy if after all his drug dealing and all the money he made, that he ended up dying and leaving his family with nothing like originally would have happened if he died from cancer.
Yeah, Giancarlo should get a lot of work after this show, he’s a great actor.
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I’m pretty sure Walt is going to die with nothing to leave his family. (dying laughing)
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[quote name=mb22]I’m pretty sure Walt is going to die with nothing to leave his family. (dying laughing)[/quote]Or better yet, survive with nothing to leave his family.
I kinda agree on Tyrus. To say he hasn’t a lot of personality would be a pretty stark understatement…
I sure hope this isn’t the last we see of little Saul Goodman. I’ve come to develop quite an affection for the young man.
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I like Saul. If something goes wrong, I know who to call. (dying laughing)
I understand the character Tyrus doesn’t call for much emotion and I’ll even admit that I’ve laughed at his non-answers on occasion. I laughed when he couldn’t extend his arm to hand Jesse the phone, but I don’t like him. I’m actually hoping Jesse kills him.
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This was a weird episode. The first segment after the opening credits was expected (Walt alerts DEA about hit on Hank, Gus tries to use that to get Jesse’s kill order). But after that WTF?
The poisoning of the Kid and everything else after it felt pressed/contrived. Initially, I bought Walt’s line that it was a way to punish Jesse (“appropriate respons”) and get the ok to kill Walt. After all, it figured that Walt needs Jesse to kill Gus and the best way to get Jesse back on his side is the play kid angle (though I thought it would be about killing Walt’s “infant daughter).
But everything else (holes in the plan/plot holes) do seem to point to Gus not poisoning the Kid but instead Walt was the culprit. I’ve bought in to that line of reasoning. Certainly, the whole plot twist leaves loose ends that I have faith the writers will tie up in the season finale.
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FWIW there are a lot to stupid theories in Sepinwall’s comments. But the theme of them is the Brock situation needs some clarity. To which, I agree.
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I don’t see how Walt could have killed Brock (he will die, right?). Jesse had the cigarette in the morning and the only person he came in contact with was Hewell who may have taken it, but that’s a huge stretch. At what point in that pat down did Hewell reach into Jesse’s pocket, take the cigarette and put them back in? That’s at least 3 to 4 seconds and that’s if you pull the cigarette out cleanly. Every smoker knows that sometimes not the case. I’ve smoked for about 20 years and it takes me a good 6 to 8 seconds to get in my picket, get a cigarette and put them back. That’s if I’m hurrying. There’s just no way Walt could have done it.
In the room where he and Gus and Tyrus were at in the hospital, Jesse messed up. Remember back in the first season when they first cooked the ricin? Walt said it would look like a normal illness and the person would get worse and die. They’d never know what it was. That’s exactly how the illness was at first with Brock. They thought it was the flu until Jesse told her, but then he told Gus that Brock wasn’t sick; he was poisoned. Based on what Walt said in season 1 and I think he said it again in season 2 and maybe even season 3, there would have been no way to know that. Jesse tipped Gus off.
That’s why the so-called spidey sense discussed on Sepinwall’s blog didn’t make sense to me. Jesse did tip Gus off. Was it intentional? I don’t think so, but Gus, as he was approaching the car, started to put it together. How could Jesse know he was poisoned? If he knew he was poisoned, Jesse then knew the only person who had access to that cigarette was at the lab and therefore Gus was responsible.
I thought it was an episode that probably would have been best done without some parts, but Gilligan was building up to the finale so it doesn’t bother me. It’s why I asked last week if Gus would be killed in the 12th episode. It seemed to me after the 11th one that it was set up for Gus to be taken out the next episode. I didn’t think it would happen so I was sure Gilligan would string that story along a little longer than he probably should have.
There are some loose ends, which I assume get filled in next week, but I’m not sure there are as many as you thought. I actually thought the Brock situation was well done until Jesse fucked up and gave their plan away. As soon as Jesse said “he was poisoned” I was thinking to myself that he just blew it.
FWIW, I don’t think Walt wants Jesse to kill Gus. I think he sincerely wants him to get in his car and drive as far away as possible. I think Walt wants to take Gus out. Walt, at least to him, is beyond redemption and killing one more guy won’t matter. He still thinks Jesse can do something with his life.
Any of this make sense?
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The finale we get to see Walt knock. I’m sure of that. You don’t have that intense moment earlier in the season and then not knock later on.
My prediction: Gus gets killed at his home after Walt knocks on his door.
Mike has to show up again, right? Will he help?
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[quote name=mb21]I don’t see how Walt could have killed Brock (he will die, right?). Jesse had the cigarette in the morning and the only person he came in contact with was Hewell who may have taken it, but that’s a huge stretch. At what point in that pat down did Hewell reach into Jesse’s pocket, take the cigarette and put them back in? That’s at least 3 to 4 seconds and that’s if you pull the cigarette out cleanly. Every smoker knows that sometimes not the case. I’ve smoked for about 20 years and it takes me a good 6 to 8 seconds to get in my picket, get a cigarette and put them back. That’s if I’m hurrying. There’s just no way Walt could have done it.
[/quote]Full pack switch. Huwell definitely is putting his left hand into his pocket post frisk. In reality this is problematic any any smoker would tell you. (Jesse knows if that pack is half full or down to 4). I don’t know that Ricin was actually used to poison Brock just that the Ricin cig is gone would make Jesse think Walt poisoned him…at first look.
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But the Ricin also would’ve taken more than a day to show its effects. Probably sooner on a child but we are talking hours here…Either way we the poisoning is either Ricin or is supposed to look like Ricin. That doesn’t implicate Gus more than Walt IMO. What is weird is the Girl saying the doctors thought Brock was poisoned. That seems like an odd conclusion to a hard to diagnose problem.
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Jesse thought he was poisoned b/c of the Girl. He doesn’t KNOW. I agree that Jesse could’ve tipped off Gus in the Chapel. It makes even more sense to me that Gus stops in the car garage if he didn’t poison Brock.
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I thought it was an episode that probably would have been best done without some parts, but Gilligan was building up to the finale so it doesn’t bother me. It’s why I asked last week if Gus would be killed in the 12th episode. It seemed to me after the 11th one that it was set up for Gus to be taken out the next episode. I didn’t think it would happen so I was sure Gilligan would string that story along a little longer than he probably should have.
[/quote]If VG kills off Gus I’m not sure where next season goes. That doesn’t mean Gus will survive but the writers haven’t set up much context for what happens if Gus dies. They have the Hank story line but that could fall apart with out Gus. I just don’t see how the super lab can run without Gus. Loyalties of enforcers. Distributions. Supply logistics. WTF? How could Jesse and Walt overcome all of those problems without connections which they lack? Better call Saul I guess.
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Oh yea, Walt wants to be the one to get Gus. If feeds his ego and he has made Gus into a symbol of his own disfunction.
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[quote name=mb21]The finale we get to see Walt knock. I’m sure of that. You don’t have that intense moment earlier in the season and then not knock later on.
My prediction: Gus gets killed at his home after Walt knocks on his door.
Mike has to show up again, right? Will he help?[/quote]I would like to see Walt knock. I still root for him more times than not. Even if Walt gets his cosmic payback (We know VG believes in consequences for actions) I’d like Walt reach his ambitions before he finds freedom in the ground. Mike has to come back. They won’t leave him to root. He has been an important secondary character
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BTW, the comment script has been problematic for me lately. It keeps taken me to a broken “aw snap” page if I try to use the enter key.
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[quote name=cdw]Full pack switch. Huwell definitely is putting his left hand into his pocket post frisk. In reality this is problematic any any smoker would tell you. (Jesse knows if that pack is half full or down to 4). I don’t know that Ricin was actually used to poison Brock just that the Ricin cig is gone would make Jesse think Walt poisoned him…at first look.[/quote]I hadn’t thought about a full pack switch. That’s interesting. I don’t know if you’re a smoker or not, but at least for me, I don’t know how many cigarettes are in my pack. I just don’t remember when I opened a pack. I smoke a little less than a pack a day and I get the feeling that Jesse smokes at least that much if not more. I don’t know that he’d know how many cigarettes he’d have. I certainly don’t think he’d be confident. I just opened one. I always take the dog for a walk around 10 pm and smoke a cigarette. It’s the last one I have each day. If there was 5 there in the morning I wouldn’t think twice (before having talked about it of course).
I still think Gus did it. He did say other arrangements would be made.
As for next season, I’m more worried about it if Gus doesn’t get killed. At some point the story lines are going to be the same. I just don’t think there’s a Gus story to be told anymore.
I think Mike has to be a factor in this. Next season has to be about Hank closing in on Walt. That story hasn’t really been told. I think there’s a lot to tell there.
Not sure how production continues, but Walt and Gus can’t coexist. Somehow Walt has to steal the entire operation, but I don’t know that it’s that hard to do. People want meth and if they can’t get it from Gus, they’ll get it from Walt. I assume if this happens they somehow find themselves in bed with another lunatic.
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[quote name=cdw]I would like to see Walt knock. I still root for him more times than not. Even if Walt gets his cosmic payback (We know VG believes in consequences for actions) I’d like Walt reach his ambitions before he finds freedom in the ground. Mike has to come back. They won’t leave him to root. He has been an important secondary character[/quote]I root for him in the same way I rooted for Tony Soprano and still root for Dexter Morgan. None of them are good human beings, but the characters are intriguing and requires one to root for them in some way. I want him to leave something to his family, though I honestly doubt that happens. I expect the only thing he leaves to his family is the cost of his funeral. I also expect Walt to suffer the consequences of his actions.
If you have problems with the comments again, can you take a screen cap of the page it takes you to? That shouldn’t be happening. I have noticed some weirdness with the comments after hitting the send button, but I haven’t been redirected to any page or anything. We’re using Joomla 1.5 and 1.7 is already out. We’ve been waiting for jcomments to be upgraded and that should happen at some point before long. Whenever that happens we’ll migrate the site to the newest version, but that shouldn’t be happening right now regardless of that.
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As for next season, I’m more worried about it if Gus doesn’t get killed. At some point the story lines are going to be the same. I just don’t think there’s a Gus story to be told anymore.
[/quote]This is a legimate concern with Gus staying alive. BB has been good with keeping the story fresh and not milking it/becoming formuliac. The situation with Gus is volatile. I could see him staying alive if other elements are going to change early in the next season. eg Gus kills Skylar/family members, Mike vs Gus (doubt it), Gus kills Jesse.
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I think Mike has to be a factor in this. Next season has to be about Hank closing in on Walt. That story hasn’t really been told. I think there’s a lot to tell there.[/quote]The Hank/DEA v Walt story line is ripe but I’m worried it dies with Gus. Certainly it hasn’t been fully explored and could be a poetic demise for Walt. You know Walt would HATE being taken down by Hank. Walt sees him as a threat to his masculinity, fatherhood and an intellectual inferior.
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[quote name=mb21]I root for him in the same way I rooted for Tony Soprano and still root for Dexter Morgan. None of them are good human beings, but the characters are intriguing and requires one to root for them in some way. I want him to leave something to his family, though I honestly doubt that happens. I expect the only thing he leaves to his family is the cost of his funeral. I also expect Walt to suffer the consequences of his actions. [/quote]I root for Dex but that show needs a fucking arc. It’s hard for me to be excited about its return b/c I fully expect the same story line from seasons 2-5 to play out again. Oh, Dex found a friend. NOPE! Dead. Fucking take some risks. Right now Hall and Showtime are arguing about money for seasons 7 &/maybe 8. Do one more season and quit being a bunch of money grabbing pussies (No offense to women sportswriters)
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[quote name=cdw]The Hank/DEA v Walt story line is ripe but I’m worried it dies with Gus. Certainly it hasn’t been fully explored and could be a poetic demise for Walt. You know Walt would HATE being taken down by Hank. Walt sees him as a threat to his masculinity, fatherhood and an intellectual inferior.[/quote]I think Hank, in some way, already suspects Walt. Hank is a really smart guy. That’s one of the things I like about the show. There’s not one guy whose intelligent stands above the rest. You’ve got Walt, Gus and Hank and all of them are working against one another.
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See, I thought Gus doing his whole “spidey-sense” routine in the parking garage definitely confirmed that he poisoned the kid. He came to the realization that his plan had failed.
Gus went to see Jesse to talk to him. Jesse tipped him off that he suspects the kid was poisoned. But he DOESN’T tell Gus he thinks it was Mr. White, which is obviously what Gus was planning. I think as Gus was walking back to the car he was thinking over and over, “Why didn’t he mention Walt? Why doesn’t he suspect him?” and it finally smacked him in the face, “What if he doesn’t suspect Walt because he already talked to him?” For all Gus knows, Jesse has been at the hospital overnight. That’s when it finally dawned on him that the two of them may have been in contact, and he’s been drawn out in the open.
Plus, Gus came from Chile under Pinochet. He can probably smell a car bomb from ten miles away.
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The idea that Walt called Saul and asked him for one last favor to have his goon do the switcheroo on Jesse’s cigarettes just seems to implausible to me. It seems way more plausible that Saul fears retribution from Gus for giving Walt the opportunity to disappear, so he had Pinkman frisked juuuuuuuuuust in case.
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I agree with GBTS here. I was thinking the same thing, but that’s because I immediately knew Jesse screwed up. I actually thought they would call him on it there, but Gus immediately had a change of heart and told Jesse the batch was already destroyed, Tyrus would clean it out and Jesse could come back to work next week. Gus clearly caught the screw up by Jesse. Like GBTS said, since Jesse didn’t immediately blame Walt, there’s only one other person he can blame and that person just left his car unattended.
I also thought Gus not going to the car confirmed he did it, but that’s in part because I never thought Walt did. Walt is, in many ways a piece of shit, but I don’t see him killing a kid to get Jesse back on his side.
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I don’t think that bit confirms either Walt or Gus is responsible fore the poisoning. It could go either way (dying laughing)
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It’s 50/50.
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I just don’t think it’s possible that Walt did this. It’s so against his character that it’s hard to believe and the timeline doesn’t fit. Walt was supposedly home all day and I believe he was. He was content to die and was going to wait it out. I don’t see any reason that he’d then go kill The Kid. It’s much easier to believe that Gus was responsible.
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I agree that Jesse did enough to tip off Gus in the chapel if Gus had poisoned Brock. (recoiling from Gus’s touch/he’s so tender). Though I’m not sure why Jesse would mention Walt in reference to the poisoning with the Ricin as that logic would incriminate himself.
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[quote name=mb21]I just don’t think it’s possible that Walt did this. It’s so against his character that it’s hard to believe and the timeline doesn’t fit. Walt was supposedly home all day and I believe he was. He was content to die and was going to wait it out. I don’t see any reason that he’d then go kill The Kid. It’s much easier to believe that Gus was responsible.[/quote]I don’t think we can assume Walt was at home all day. Especially since he had an idea (gun spinning scene) that he was trying to pull off. If he was content to die that gun never lands on the plant (3rd spin).
I also think this plan has some hallmarks of Walt in that it is kind of reckless and would draw the attention of the police at the hospital. I don’t think Gus would want that collateral in his type of plan.
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Jesse could say they made the ricin to kill Tuco so he was familiar with it and knew Walt could cook it.
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I don’t think Gus thought they’d know it was poison.
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[quote name=mb21]Jesse could say they made the ricin to kill Tuco so he was familiar with it and knew Walt could cook it.[/quote]I thought about something like that when I was posting but left it out due to laziness. Certainly Jesse could use that line of reasoning but man if Jesse really thinks it was Gus that poisoned Brock then mentioning the Ricin specifically/Walt’s connection to it really heightens the stress in the situation (already stressful, of couse). Of course Jesse already said poison. Not his best moment.
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[quote name=mb21]I don’t think Gus thought they’d know it was poison.[/quote]I’m not trying to promote and conspiracy shit here but its weird to me that The Docs/The Girl thought Brock was poisoned. That just seems like an unlikely diagnosis to me.
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[quote name=GBTS]The idea that Walt called Saul and asked him for one last favor to have his goon do the switcheroo on Jesse’s cigarettes just seems to implausible to me. It seems way more plausible that Saul fears retribution from Gus for giving Walt the opportunity to disappear, so he had Pinkman frisked juuuuuuuuuust in case.[/quote]If that is the case the whole Heuwell land hand to the pocket thing has to be a red herring.
Anyway, next episode needs to deal with this situation even if Gus was responsible. b/c there are a lot of logistics that need to come out. How exactly was Brock and only Brock poisoned. How did Gus know about the Ricin cig.
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[quote name=cdw]I don’t think we can assume Walt was at home all day. Especially since he had an idea (gun spinning scene) that he was trying to pull off. If he was content to die that gun never lands on the plant (3rd spin).
I also think this plan has some hallmarks of Walt in that it is kind of reckless and would draw the attention of the police at the hospital. I don’t think Gus would want that collateral in his type of plan.[/quote]Can we agree that Jesse was immediately going to think it was Walt? Walt, as far he knew, was the only person who knew he kept it in his cigarettes and it’s gone. If we agree to that, don’t we also have to think that when Jesse comes over there’s no chance that Walt is going to leave his gun like he did? He has to know that Jesse is going to suspect him and that if he leaves the gun he could just pick it up and fire without asking any questions and be satisfied.
I don’t think Walt thought he could leave the gun and then convince Jesse. I just don’t see that as the grand plan for Walt.
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[quote name=cdw]I’m not trying to promote and conspiracy shit here but its weird to me that The Docs/The Girl thought Brock was poisoned. That just seems like an unlikely diagnosis to me.[/quote]I’m assuming The Girl told the doctor what Jesse said. The more surprising thing to me is that the CDC wasn’t there and Jesse came and went from the hospital. If someone tells a doctor it’s ricin and it fits with the symptoms, people are being questioned. This is post 9/11 America. Shit, even before 9/11 you’d be questioned. That’s the biggest hole I thought there was in the episode, but it’s a relatively meaningless one. It would unnecessarily complicate things.
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cdw, that aw snap image above…is that from Chrome? Have you had issues in Firefox? I have noticed a little weirdness the last few days in Firefox, but nothing like that.
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[quote name=mb21]Can we agree that Jesse was immediately going to think it was Walt? Walt, as far he knew, was the only person who knew he kept it in his cigarettes and it’s gone. If we agree to that, don’t we also have to think that when Jesse comes over there’s no chance that Walt is going to leave his gun like he did? He has to know that Jesse is going to suspect him and that if he leaves the gun he could just pick it up and fire without asking any questions and be satisfied.
I don’t think Walt thought he could leave the gun and then convince Jesse. I just don’t see that as the grand plan for Walt.[/quote]We can absolutely agree that Jesse would go to Walt first. I don’t think Walt would leave the gun there if he did poison Brock. Unless the gun didn’t have bullets at that time in which case it could be used for nice leveraging of the situation. Of couse, I do think if Walt did poison Jesse that Walt would need to assume that Jesse brings his own loaded gun.
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[quote name=mb21]I’m assuming The Girl told the doctor what Jesse said. The more surprising thing to me is that the CDC wasn’t there and Jesse came and went from the hospital. If someone tells a doctor it’s ricin and it fits with the symptoms, people are being questioned. This is post 9/11 America. Shit, even before 9/11 you’d be questioned. That’s the biggest hole I thought there was in the episode, but it’s a relatively meaningless one. It would unnecessarily complicate things.[/quote]I thought the girl told Jesse that Brock was poisoned before Jesse went for his smoke.
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[quote name=mb21]cdw, that aw snap image above…is that from Chrome? Have you had issues in Firefox? I have noticed a little weirdness the last few days in Firefox, but nothing like that.[/quote]Yeah, its chrome. The image is bigger if you open it in a new tab. I don’t fuck with Firefox anymore b/c it would always crash its self or my OS. I switched to Chrome a couple of years back. The only problem is the build up of allocated memory for all of the tabs that Chrome doesn’t flush out when they close.
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[quote name=cdw]If that is the case the whole Heuwell land hand to the pocket thing has to be a red herring. [/quote]That’s what I think. It helped enable Jesse’s paranoia that Walt did it and set up that intense scene between the two.
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[quote name=cdw]I don’t think we can assume Walt was at home all day. Especially since he had an idea (gun spinning scene) that he was trying to pull off. If he was content to die that gun never lands on the plant (3rd spin). [/quote]Oh man, I totally forgot about that scene. Now I definitely think Walt did it. (dying laughing)
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This might be a stupid point but how do we know that Brock just didn’t grab a smoke out of Jesse’s pack and smoke it? He is afterall an impressionable kid. He seems to really be fond of Jesse and maybe he wanted to smoke a cig like Jesse. I don’t know what possible reason VG would do that unless he wanted to create this chaotic atmosphere between Walt, Gus and Jesse.
That being said, if he was poisoned by someone, I would believe it to be Gus and not Walt.
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[quote name=Mucker]This might be a stupid point but how do we know that Brock just didn’t grab a smoke out of Jesse’s pack and smoke it? He is afterall an impressionable kid. He seems to really be fond of Jesse and maybe he wanted to smoke a cig like Jesse. I don’t know what possible reason VG would do that unless he wanted to create this chaotic atmosphere between Walt, Gus and Jesse.
That being said, if he was poisoned by someone, I would believe it to be Gus and not Walt.[/quote]The cig isn’t laced with Ricin, the ricin is in a vial in the cig. Thats not really smokable with out extreme measures.
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[quote name=cdw]The cig isn’t laced with Ricin, the ricin is in a vial in the cig. Thats not really smokable with out extreme measures.[/quote]Oh right, I do remember it was in a vial now.
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This is exactly what I thought happened, which is why I was flabbergasted that Jesse initially blamed Walt. Then my girlfriend reminded me about the vial.
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Also, AMC should have put a disclaimer before the scene with Walt and Jesse, like they did about the intense violence in the box cutter scene, but have it say “Attention Viewers: You Are About to Watch Two Men Win an Emmy.”
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[quote name=cdw]I thought the girl told Jesse that Brock was poisoned before Jesse went for his smoke.[/quote]No, she said they thought it was the flu, which is what Walt had said once when he was talking about it. Jesse then can’t go into the ICU so goes out for a smoke and notices the cigarette missing. He then runs back in and tells The Girl (what the hell is her name?).
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[quote name=GBTS]Also, AMC should have put a disclaimer before the scene with Walt and Jesse, like they did about the intense violence in the box cutter scene, but have it say “Attention Viewers: You Are About to Watch Two Men Win an Emmy.”[/quote](dying laughing) there have been so many Emmy winning scenes by each of them this season that it’s almost impossible they don’t both win.
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[quote name=cdw]Yeah, its chrome. The image is bigger if you open it in a new tab. I don’t fuck with Firefox anymore b/c it would always crash its self or my OS. I switched to Chrome a couple of years back. The only problem is the build up of allocated memory for all of the tabs that Chrome doesn’t flush out when they close.[/quote]I did click on it. I’m heading out of town later tonight and won’t be back until next week. I won’t have access to the internet except on my phone and I hate using that for the internet. So I’ll start using Chrome (on the Mac) when I get back next week and see if I can get it to do it for me.
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I thought the gun scene was about whether or not Walt should take his own life. Am I the only one who thought that?
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[quote name=mb21]I thought the gun scene was about whether or not Walt should take his own life. Am I the only one who thought that?[/quote]I think that was one of this options. I think he thought of another idea when the gun pointed toward the plant.
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[quote name=mb21]I thought the gun scene was about whether or not Walt should take his own life. Am I the only one who thought that?[/quote]Yeah when it turned away from him on the third spin I think Walt interpreted that as, “Don’t just sit here, go out and do something.”
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Go out and do something is one thing, go out and kill a kid is quite different. Go out and do something could be as simple as deciding to fight. You’re going to take one or two of them with you. We haven’t seen anything from Walt in these last 4 seasons that would give us any indication that he would be willing to kill a child.
Plus, Walt can easily make ricin so why not just make some and have Saul pass along something that indicates the boy may have been poisoned? It seems a lot easier than the full pack switch theory. There are a number of ways for Walt to kill the kid with ricin and to get Jesse to think that Walt may be behind it. At that point it’s relatively easy because Jesse wants to be convinced it’s not Mr. White.
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I agree, I’m still 85% sure Gus did it.
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[quote name=GBTS]I agree, I’m still 85% sure Gus did it.[/quote]I’ve been following the thread on The Book Blog on Amanda Knox because they were talking about what percentage you’d have to be sure a person was guilty in order to convict. I’d convict Gus of murder (assuming Brock dies, which he has to, right?). I’m that certain.
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Awful convenient of Walt to hide from Gus’ goons at his own house though . . .
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[quote name=GBTS]Awful convenient of Walt to hide from Gus’ goons at his own house though . . .[/quote]Yeah, but there are too many holes in the “Walt did it” theory. He would know Jesse is coming over to kill him so he’d need to have gun ready because he would assume Jesse has one. If he’s killing a child, there’s no way he’s just going to let Jesse kill him. Why did he have to steal the ricin when he can make it rather easily? It’s easy enough to get info to Jesse that Walt may have been behind it and it’s easy enough to convince Jesse that Gus is behind it.
The “Gus did it” theory wraps up nicely in my opinion. He told Jesse he would make other arrangements regarding Walt’s death. Tyrus took the cigarette and somehow gave it to the boy. Gus has killed children before while Walt has not. I don’t believe Saul would be involved with anything that has to do with killing a child either. At that moment, Jesse is his meal ticket. Jesse is employed by Gus and he can pay Jesse millions and millions. I don’t see Saul doing anything that would hurt that. He needs Jesse more than he needs Walt.
Besides, Walt doesn’t have a job so him being at home isn’t really that surprising, is it?
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1st minute of the finale: http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-alan-watching/posts/hitfix-first-look-walt-cleans-up-a-mess-on-sundays-breaking-bad-finale
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[quote name=mb21]Go out and do something is one thing, go out and kill a kid is quite different. Go out and do something could be as simple as deciding to fight. You’re going to take one or two of them with you. We haven’t seen anything from Walt in these last 4 seasons that would give us any indication that he would be willing to kill a child.
Plus, Walt can easily make ricin so why not just make some and have Saul pass along something that indicates the boy may have been poisoned? It seems a lot easier than the full pack switch theory. There are a number of ways for Walt to kill the kid with ricin and to get Jesse to think that Walt may be behind it. At that point it’s relatively easy because Jesse wants to be convinced it’s not Mr. White.[/quote]Walt doesn’t have to kill the kid. He just needs to make him sick so it looks like Ricin poisoning.
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Apparently Esposito mentioned in an interview that the word poison from Jesse tipped him off. I’ll have to listen to it.
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Ok, I see what you’re saying now, cdw.
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[quote name=mb21]Yeah, but there are too many holes in the “Walt did it” theory. He would know Jesse is coming over to kill him so he’d need to have gun ready because he would assume Jesse has one. If he’s killing a child, there’s no way he’s just going to let Jesse kill him. Why did he have to steal the ricin when he can make it rather easily?It’s easy enough to get info to Jesse that Walt may have been behind it and it’s easy enough to convince Jesse that Gus is behind it.
[/quote]Walt doesn’t need the Ricin. He just needs Jesse to think it was him that poisoned Brock. Really, taking the cig is complicated but it is the most convincing way to get Jesse to think Walt is responsible. But you see how complicated and hard to pull off the plan is? That looks like a Walt design to me. It also, leaves me thinking he couldn’t pull it off. I’m still leaning toward the Walt poisoning though (dying laughing)
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Gus talks about it in the link below starting around 4 minutes in: http://www.amctv.com/breaking-bad/videos/inside-breaking-bad-episode-412-end-times
He doesn’t really give anything away regarding who poisoned Brock. The one thing he does say is that he was tipped off and then begins thinking about that word poison over and over as he’s approaching the car. He then says Walt is behind this. Behind what? Behind getting him to the hospital or behind all of it? Seems a stretch that Walt could be behind all of it. I don’t know.
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[quote name=cdw]Walt doesn’t need the Ricin. He just needs Jesse to think it was him that poisoned Brock. Really, taking the cig is complicated but it is the most convincing way to get Jesse to think Walt is responsible. But you see how complicated and hard to pull off the plan is? That looks like a Walt design to me. It also, leaves me thinking he couldn’t pull it off. I’m still leaning toward the Walt poisoning though (dying laughing)[/quote]I guess I could see it the more I’ve thought about it and discussed it, but it might be because I’ve just gone over it too many times. (dying laughing)
I just don’t see Walt using a kid to get Jesse on his side. Walt, throughout the series, has tried to protect Jesse (in odd ways of course). This seems to be the exact opposite.
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My only questions are how did Gus and his cronies know Jesse had the Ricin? If they found it in his locker, how would they not assume he was trying to kill Gus and just kill Jesse? Why would Walt kill a kid like Brock? To manipulate Jesse into getting back on his team? Seems a bit of a stretch. I can understand Gus doing it so that Jesse will give the OK to kill Walt. I just can’t understand Walt doing it at all.
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(dying laughing) @ 1:45
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[quote name=Mucker]My only questions are how did Gus and his cronies know Jesse had the Ricin? If they found it in his locker, how would they not assume he was trying to kill Gus and just kill Jesse? Why would Walt kill a kid like Brock? To manipulate Jesse into getting back on his team? Seems a bit of a stretch. I can understand Gus doing it so that Jesse will give the OK to kill Walt. I just can’t understand Walt doing it at all.[/quote]Walt does it so Episode 411 plays out exactly like it did so he has Jesse on his side helping him to kill Gus.
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My guess is they thought Jesse would use the ricin on Gus, but he had since changed his mind.
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[quote name=cdw]Walt does it so Episode 411 plays out exactly like it did so he has Jesse on his side helping him to kill Gus.[/quote]Yeah I understand why he would do it but Walt and Jesse’s relationship is shit right now and what’s the guarantee he could get Jesse to believe it wasn’t him and not want to kill him? That’s a huge risk for Walt to take. When would Walt have even taken the vial? The only time he saw him was the previous night and we know Jesse had the vial that morning.
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[quote name=Mucker]Yeah I understand why he would do it but Walt and Jesse’s relationship is shit right now and what’s the guarantee he could get Jesse to believe it wasn’t him and not want to kill him? That’s a huge risk for Walt to take. When would Walt have even taken the vial? The only time he saw him was the previous night and we know Jesse had the vial that morning.[/quote]The vial discussion is above. The risk of Jesse killing Walt isn’t as bad when Walt already thinks he is a dead man.
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What if Gus poisoned the kid with something other than Ricin and was shocked when Jesse said he was poisoned knowing damn well there was no way he could know? During his walk to the car, maybe he realized that Jesse knew of a poison and assumed it was something Walt conjured up.
Edit: I just watched the interview video so my theory is complete shit. But I don’t know who would do it now. Maybe nobody poisoned him and Brock found the cigarette and thought the vial was drugs and after watching his mom, uncle and Jesse do drugs, decided he wanted to try them?
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I think Brock stealing the cigarette and finding the vial is more likely than Walt doing it. After thinking about it more, I’d go with GBTS’ 85% Gus did it, 10% Brock stole it and 5% Gus did it.
And I’m NEVER wrong!
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I’m leaning towards Walt poisoning but its like 55% Walt, 45% Gus. Although, I haven’t been arguing in those ratios (dying laughing) I don’t think Brock got poisoned/sick by accident. BB doesn’t really do that random chance thing much. It doesn’t fit into VGs world view for the show (actions have consequences). Everything is very causal.
I’m excited for the finale but not the layoff between seasons. These people need to go to work everyday like the rest of us god damnit…so I can have my shows (dying laughing)
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I agree BB doesn’t do random chance, but Jesse would feel as though he killed the kid if that happened. It would essentially be the end of Jesse’s life as we’ve seen so far.
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I agree that I’m ready for the finale, but the layoff is going to suck. It always does. As you mentioned earlier, Dexter isn’t as good as it once was. I’ve been watching Sons of Anarchy again. I thought the end of season 2 sucked and a lot of people said season 3 was pretty bad. Season 4 has been so far and I’m not sure I’ll keep watching. So when Breaking Bad ends that sucks. I really liked the first season of Shameless and am looking forward to that. Same thing about The Borgias, but that’s not up there with BB.
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It’s also going to suck because it sounds like season 5 will be split into 2 seasons. So next year we get 8 episodes instead of 13.
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[quote name=mb21]I agree BB doesn’t do random chance, but Jesse would feel as though he killed the kid if that happened. It would essentially be the end of Jesse’s life as we’ve seen so far.[/quote]This is a good point. Also,
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[quote name=mb21]It’s also going to suck because it sounds like season 5 will be split into 2 seasons. So next year we get 8 episodes instead of 13.[/quote]What?! I thought they were doing a full 13 episodes. If they still are cool. But fuck them for splitting it up. I hate when stories get split up like that. It always hurts the momentum of the story.
Cum guzzlers.
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[quote name=cdw]This is a good point. Also,
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[quote name=cdw]What?! I thought they were doing a full 13 episodes. If they still are cool. But fuck them for splitting it up. I hate when stories get split up like that. It always hurts the momentum of the story.
Cum guzzlers.[/quote]Season 5 is going to be 16 episodes so that’s the only upside, but last I read season 5a would air 8 episodes next summer and 5b the final 8 of the series the following year. I hate that too.
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It’s kind of like The Sopranos final season. I also think The Shield was that way.
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Lost in all the Brock talk was the scene with Gomez at the laundry. I thought he was the DEA on the take (We know Mike has guys inside). But the drug sniffing dog killed that IMO.
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Another observation, Skyler looks like the people from the Black Hole Sun video with her bugged out eyes.
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After rewatching the Pinkman/Mr. White scene I’m more inclined to believe it was Gus that poisoned Brock. Walt isn’t capable of that performance if its not authentic. He had another manic laughter episode. The details of how he was acting to the whole situation starting from Jesse knocking to Jesse leaving would’ve had to be a Cranston quality acting job.
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Skyler’s eyes drive me nuts too. I’ll have to go back and watch the last episode, but I may just wait until I go back and watch the whole season.
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I was planning to put together a review of the season, but I’m not going to get it published until next week. I was hoping I could publish it Monday, but that’s not possible.
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One of the things I love about this show is how the violence is driven by both character development and plot equally. The writing is well thought out. Its bold yet consistent with its world and characters. The acting is obviously superb. The editing is creative and adds emotion.
BB Review: Fuck you if you haven’t been watching this show. If you have and need a review go watch the episodes again. Enjoy fuckfaces.
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(dying laughing) basically yeah. I set up a personal blog after I shut down The Hawkeye State. I never write anything on it other than a few entries about the Hawkeyes. I know I wanted to write about tv on their on occasion, but haven’t done that and figure a review of the season would be a good start.
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I think BB became the best show in tv history with its 3rd season. The Wire was a fantastic show. I always like The Sopranos better than that, but not by much. In both of those shows the writing was superb. The directing was for the most part. There were some very good actors too. in Breaking Bad, everything is excellent. The writing is as good as anything that’s ever been on tv. The plots are as tight as any show ever. The directing, camerawork, and editing are all fantastic. Despite all that greatness, the acting still stands out as the best aspect in my opinion. Walt and Jesse have been awesome throughout. I thought the guy who played Tuco did a brilliant job. Gus is outstanding. Hank, while a little annoying at times, is very good in that role too. The weak spots are Marie and Skyler.
If you were going to pick a scene from this season to show emmy voters for Aaron Paul and Bryan Cranston, where do you start? It’s been episode after episode in which they’ve both turned in emmy winning performances. The same is true for Gus. I just don’t think there’s ever been a show that’s as good at as much as BB is.
In baseball terms, Breaking Bad is Barry Bonds. He literally did everything well above average. I’m pretty sure he picked his nose better than other players. The Wire and The Sopranos, in my opinion, are like Albert Pujols. Primarily relegated to 1st base for defensive reasons, but a plus defensively at the position he plays. Pujols does everything well, but plays a less demanding defensive position.
Another show that isn’t talked about on here, but is one of my favorites is Six Feet Under. Anyone see that show?
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Another reason why I’m pretty positive Walt didn’t do it is because when Jesse knocks on the door and says its him, Walt’s reaction is genuinely edgy. If this were his plan all along, to get Jesse to come over, I think he’d have a different reaction when he realized it was working. He wouldn’t have had to start “acting” until he let Jesse in the door.
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