The short answer to this question is that it doesn’t affect them that much. If the Cardinals were willing to spend $22.5 million on Pujols (10 year, $225 million offer) they still have that $22.5 million available to spend on free agent talent. If a win costs $5 million in 2012, that buys 4.5 wins. Pujols was projected to be worth about 5.5 wins. The Brewers would also have the same amount of money they’re offering Fielder available to spend elsewhere should Fielder leave Milwaukee.
While there’s plenty reason to be excited if you’re a Cubs fan, the reality is that if the Cardinals and Brewers are willing to invest the same amount of money elsewhere that it has little to no affect whatsoever. It could have tremendous affect long-term for both teams. Instead of paying Pujols $22.5 million 8 years from now when he’s a league average player, they’ll have that money to spend on someone better than Pujols would be. The same is obviously true for the Brewers.
While it could cost the Cardinals a win, it’s quite possible that they could come out ahead. $22.5 million is a lot of money. If the Cardinals can identify a couple of players who are undervalued they can buy more than 4.5 wins with that $22.5 million. Imagine that the Cardinals find their version of Mark DeRosa or Marlon Byrd. Both of them were undervalued and the Cubs purchased more wins than they paid for.
The Cardinals, or Brewers, might also look to make a trade and perhaps acquire a cost-controlled player with tremendous potential. In this situation they would once again be buying more wins than they’re paying for. Neither route will be easy, but those players exist and if the Cardinals can find them then they can easily spend that $22.5 million better than they would have if their star player returned.
Marlon Byrd and Mark DeRosa were paid $5.75 million in their first years with the Cubs. Combined, they produced 5.2 rWAR. Throw in Ted Lilly‘s $6 million salary in 2007 and his 3.2 WAR and you’ve now spent $11.75 million and acquired 8.5 rWAR. For exactly half the money they’d have spent on Pujols 3 additional wins have been added.
This is where scouting is going to play a huge role. The scouting department would have to spot the undervalued players, or maybe the statistical analysis department spots them. I suspect that both teams will be searching for undervalued players rather than stars to replace their own stars.
While that’s possible, it’s also possible whoever they sign doesn’t pan out. Pujols and Fielder were more known quantities and could be counted on to produce at a certain level. The teams could also refuse to re-invest the amount they had set aside for their own players. The Cardinals and Brewers may have had the plan to re-sign their star players, but after doing so would have to trade a certain amount to make ends meet. We can’t know that.
If the Cardinals were forced to sell $5 million in value after re-signing Pujols, they essentially added only 4.5 wins next year. It’s difficult to know exactly how this will affect each team in the short-term. There are ways in which one or both teams would be better off having failed to re-sign their star. There are ways in which it would break even and that is probably what is most likely. Right now the Cardinals are worse and the Brewers would be if they lost Fielder, but there’s no reason to think the owner is going to pocket all the money and move on. Some, most, all or perhaps even more money than what was set aside for Pujols/Fielder will be re-invested into the team.
The Cubs won’t be facing Albert Pujols when they play the Cardinals and may not face Prince Fielder either, but the reality is that neither team is going to be worse off short-term than they would have been if they brought the player back. At most they’d be a win worse, but it’s entirely possible they’re better off by 2 or 3 wins if they find the right guys.
Comments
My main worry was that the Cards would get Pujols for less than he was worth. It makes little difference to me whether Pujols signed elsewhere or the Cards paid him market value.
ACTQuote Reply
Losing Flaherty, OTOH, means the Cubs are really fucked.
fang2415Quote Reply
[quote name=ACT]My main worry was that the Cards would get Pujols for less than he was worth. It makes little difference to me whether Pujols signed elsewhere or the Cards paid him market value.[/quote]This. I think he’ll actually be worth his contract and will come close to being worth what the Marlins offered him, so if he’d accepted the Cards offer they’d be getting yet another $50M in surplus value out of him.
fang2415Quote Reply
[quote name=fang2415]Losing Flaherty, OTOH, means the Cubs are really fucked.[/quote]I think this has become the new “MB hated the 2011 Cubs draft” meme.
GBTSQuote Reply
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]
[/quote]Tough luck if you hang right.
fang2415Quote Reply
[quote name=GBTS]I think this has become the new “MB hated the 2011 Cubs draft” meme.[/quote]As it happens, I actually agree that given what we know, losing Flaherty looks pretty dumb. But it’s still funny to see MB get so pissed off about it.
fang2415Quote Reply
[quote name=GBTS]I think this has become the new “MB hated the 2011 Cubs draft” meme.[/quote]Yeah, tough crowd here.
FWIW, I don’t give a shit about losing Ryan Flaherty. I care about losing a guy who has an .800 OPS at a position the Cubs currently have a hole at. I care about losing that player when there were only 34 on the 40-man roster when the decision was made. You can change Ryan Flaherty’s name to Josh Vitters if you want. I’m confident saying Flaherty will have a better MLB career than Vitters. I suspect that the overall opinion would be much different if that was the case.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=fang2415]Tough luck if you hang right.[/quote]Dress to the left.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Dress to the left.[/quote]Is that a gay joke?
fang2415Quote Reply
I want the Cubs to make good decisions. I don’t care if that has to do with signing long-term contracts, signing players to minor league contracts, the draft, international free agents, roster management or which fucking brand of tea to sell at the ballpark.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=fang2415]Is that a gay joke?[/quote]Would you ask Tom Petty that question?
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=mb21]I want the Cubs to make good decisions. I don’t care if that has to do with signing long-term contracts, signing players to minor league contracts, the draft, international free agents, roster management or which fucking brand of tea to sell at the ballpark.[/quote]We’ll get Todd right on it.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=fang2415]Is that a left-handed Marlon Byrd joke?[/quote]
.
BerseliusQuote Reply
I only just now noticed the tags in the last article.
(dying laughing)
(dying laughing)
fang2415Quote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]Is that a power-hitter Paul Byrd joke?[/quote].
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Berselius].[/quote](dying laughing). Every time I assume that joke in order to make another joke, somebody makes that joke. Maybe I’m getting too meta. (dying laughing)
fang2415Quote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Would you ask Tom Petty that question?[/quote]No, he played right-handed.
GBTSQuote Reply
Heckler:
(dying laughing)
Aisle424Quote Reply
[quote name=mb21]I want the Cubs to make good decisions. I don’t care if that has to do with signing long-term contracts, signing players to minor league contracts, the draft, international free agents, roster management or which fucking brand of tea to sell at the ballpark.[/quote]
fang2415Quote Reply
ROFL
http://www.theheckler.com/2011/12/08/buehrle-takes-out-newspaper-ad-to-bids-farewell-to-sox-fans/
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=fang2415]
[/quote]Eh, wrong link. I’ll have to wait until he gets mad again.
fang2415Quote Reply
trader? (dying laughing)
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=mb21]trader? (dying laughing)[/quote]Furs. Pujols is a big trapper. Went out West to trade in beaver pelts.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=mb21]trader? (dying laughing)[/quote]
It’s a mute point, but they should have been re-signed to the fact that Pujols wouldn’t resign. He’s a dominate player, but he’s not the pre-madonna seem to think.
Dr. Aneus TaintQuote Reply
[quote name=Dr. Aneus Taint]It’s a mute point, but they should have been re-signed to the fact that Pujols wouldn’t resign. He’s a dominate player, but he’s not the pre-madonna seem to think.[/quote]Best part of this is leaving out “some”
fang2415Quote Reply
[quote name=Dr. Aneus Taint]It’s a mute point, but they should have been re-signed to the fact that Pujols wouldn’t resign. He’s a dominate player, but he’s not the pre-madonna seem to think.[/quote]Quite being rediculous.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
The Heckler is a big Aneus Taint fan.
Suburban kidQuote Reply
[quote name=Suburban kid]The Heckler is a big Aneus Taint fan.[/quote]Yet another gay joke
fang2415Quote Reply
[quote name=Suburban kid]The Heckler is a big Aneus .[/quote]fixed
Suburban kidQuote Reply
[quote name=Suburban kid]The Heckler is a big Aneus Taint fan.[/quote]FLAGGED
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
There are days when I just love the internet and today is one of them. God bless crazy people.
Aisle424Quote Reply
Sandusky’s wife has issued a public statement that implicitly protests his innocence on his behalf. Someone needs to fucking immolate these people.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
James Loney ————> DUI
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
Parents of PA, hide your children: Sandusky just posted bail.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
Rosenthal is good: http://angels.ocregister.com/2011/12/07/are-the-angels-albert-pujols-mystery-team/114348/
ACTQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Sandusky’s wife has issued a public statement that implicitly protests his innocence on his behalf. Someone needs to fucking immolate these people.[/quote]I’d like to know why anyone thinks we give a shit what his wife thinks. She may have suspected, but it’s not like we’d expect the wife to say anything else. (dying laughing)
I’m pretty sure this conversation never took place in 1975.
Jerry: It’s Thursday night so we ought to consider some plans for tomorrow night.
Wife: Honey, that sounds wonderful. We should do something and have a jolly time. Do you have any ideas?
Jerry: I’ve been having a lot of fan raping the shit out young boys. Wanna watch?
Wife: That sounds lovely, dear.
mb21Quote Reply
His wife should shut the fuck up.
mb21Quote Reply
Alex Gonzalez ————–> Brewers
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=mb21]His wife should shut the fuck up.[/quote]He and everyone on his side should shut up. Their defenses of him are positively Orwellian and only make him look like more of a monster.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Dr. Aneus Taint]It’s a mute point, but they should have been re-signed to the fact that Pujols wouldn’t resign. He’s a dominate player, but he’s not the pre-madonna seem to think.[/quote]An exponentially good joke, there
BerseliusQuote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]An exponentially good joke, there[/quote]Truly, as the times in which we live, which since man first exited the cave and wondered what was the meaning of life have been exponential.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
Alvin cherry-picks names, numbers: http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/12/8/2621280/albert-pujols-contract-angels-angles-age-40
ACTQuote Reply
[quote name=ACT]Rosenthal is good: http://angels.ocregister.com/2011/12/07/are-the-angels-albert-pujols-mystery-team/114348/%5B/quote%5Dfurther evidence that we have no reason to believe Gammons belief the Cubs are out of cash. I’m guessing they would pay with direct deposit anyways.
JManQuote Reply
[quote name=ACT]Alvin cherry-picks names, numbers: http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/12/8/2621280/albert-pujols-contract-angels-angles-age-40%5B/quote%5DAnd in the comments, he says “Exactly correct”.
Suburban kidQuote Reply
Alvin is kinda nuts.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=mb21]Alvin is kinda nuts.[/quote]Pujols is kinda rich.
GBTSQuote Reply
[quote name=GBTS]Pujols is kinda rich.[/quote]Fielder is kinda fat.
mb21Quote Reply
C-c-c-c-c-combo breaker!
fang2415Quote Reply
[quote name=Suburban kid]And in the comments, he says “Exactly correct”.[/quote]Not the best kind of correct but it’ll do.
MishQuote Reply
Sounds like Theriot will be non-tendered.
Recalcitrant Blogger NateQuote Reply
[quote name=Recalcitrant Blogger Nate]Sounds like Theriot will be non-tendered.[/quote]Somewhere, Jim Hendry is smiling.
Suburban kidQuote Reply
[quote name=Recalcitrant Blogger Nate]Sounds like Theriot will be non-tendered.[/quote]Can’t wait for his rant about how his new team does it the right way and how the Cards are clueless, etc.
WenningtonsGorillaCockQuote Reply
[quote name=Recalcitrant Blogger Nate]Sounds like Theriot will be non-tendered.[/quote]Oh, fuck me, Cubs fans are going to demand he be brought back to fill the hole at 2B. I’m going to fucking hang myself.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
Cub fans think there is a hole at 2B? That’s where the Power of Darwin roams.
GBTSQuote Reply
[quote name=Suburban kid]Somewhere, Chad and Trixie are smiling and dusting off their “THERIOT 2” T-Shirseys.[/quote].
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=GBTS]Cub fans think there is a hole at 2B? That’s where the Power of Darwin roams.[/quote]I got the distinct impression in the Cubs Twitterverse at the end of last season that the shine has gone off the Barney.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]the shine has gone off the Barney.[/quote]
That’s racist
WenningtonsGorillaCockQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]I got the distinct impression in the Cubs Twitterverse at the end of last season that the shine has gone off the Barney.[/quote]
Yeah, but the Theriot hate is palpable too. you can’t just go and put on a Cardinals uniform and then come back like nothing happened. We don’t care how scrappy he is.
Aisle424Quote Reply
[quote name=Recalcitrant Blogger Nate]Sounds like Theriot will be non-tendered.[/quote]All I know is that when Theriot was on the roster, the Cardinals won the World Series. It is what it is.
ACTQuote Reply
People will clamor for DeRosa again before they want Theriot back.
Aisle424Quote Reply
[quote name=Aisle424]People have been clamoring for DeRosa since 2009 .[/quote].
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Oh, fuck me, Cubs fans are going to demand he be brought back to fill the hole at 2B. I’m going to fucking hang myself.[/quote]Insightful comment, although I disapprove of raping children.
Man, we so need a button for this.
fang2415Quote Reply
[quote name=Aisle424]People are already clamoring for DeRosa again and they will want Theriot back.[/quote].
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=ACT]All I know is that when Theriot was on the roster, the Cardinals won the World Series. It is what it is.[/quote]Sounds like Tebow Magic™
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
Does Carlos Beltran make sense as an under-market signing to play 1B? I almost feel like they’d bring Carlos Pena back before considering Beltran.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]Does Carlos Beltran make sense as an under-market signing to play 1B? I almost feel like they’d bring Carlos Pena back before considering Beltran.[/quote]I don’t think Peña is an option unless he wants to take a 1-year deal, and, at this point he doesn’t seem to want to do that–and in a business sense, would probably be foolish to accept it.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
Chris Paul —–> Lakers
Bulls really need to find a way to get Dwight. That’d be absurd.
GBTSQuote Reply
[quote name=GBTS]Chris Paul —–> Lakers
Bulls really need to find a way to get Dwight. That’d be absurd.[/quote]Word is Lakers will keep Bynum in the Paul deal and will therefore use him to try and get Howard.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Word is Lakers will keep Bynum in the Paul deal and will therefore use him to try and get Howard.[/quote]Bulls’ potential offer would be better. Trading to a Conference rival, though.
GBTSQuote Reply
I assume we won’t find out for 10 months whether the Cubs bid on Yu Darvish:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/12/rangers-jays-yankees-expected-to-bid-on-darvish.html
Rice CubeQuote Reply
Suburban kidQuote Reply
Wouldn’t you have to keep dropping the Cat-Bread-Generator?
GBTSQuote Reply
[quote name=GBTS]Wouldn’t you have to keep dropping the Cat-Bread-Generator?[/quote]Only once. This is science!
Suburban kidQuote Reply
[quote name=Suburban kid]
[/quote]Rick Perry knows it’s not a popular things to say, but the Cat-Bread Generator is a work of true genius.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Suburban kid]Only once. This is science![/quote]Ah yes, I see it now.
GBTSQuote Reply
Doesn’t look very comfortable for the cat based on where the axle must be attached…
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]Doesn’t look very comfortable for the cat based on where the axle must be attached…[/quote]
Is that a gay cat joke?
Aisle424Quote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]Doesn’t look very comfortable for the cat based on where the axle must be attached…[/quote]Not, it’s okay. It’s a left-handed cat.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
Twitter says the Cubs traded Tyler Colvin and DJ Lamehieu for Ian Stewart and Casey Weathers.
ACTQuote Reply
Sounds like the most pointless trade ever.
ACTQuote Reply
[quote name=ACT]Twitter says the Cubs traded Tyler Colvin and DJ Lamehieu for Ian Stewart and Casey Weathers.[/quote]Titanic’s deck chairs ———–> rearranged
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
I’m guessing Stewart is now the starting 3B?
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
Weathers is such a typical Cubs RP:
K rate: 6.9/9 IP
BB rate: 5.7/9 IP
(dying laughing) (dying laughing) (dying laughing)
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=ACT]Twitter says the Cubs traded Tyler Colvin and DJ [b]Lamehieu[/b] for Ian Stewart and Casey Weathers.[/quote]I see what you did there
Doug E. FreshQuote Reply
Also he’s 26 in AA. That means he’ll still be a kid when he reaches the majors.
ACTQuote Reply
-1.2 WAR for Stewart last season. Cubtastic. Maybe Koyie Hill has a place on this team after all.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
Can Koyie play third?
ACTQuote Reply
[quote name=ACT]Can Koyie play third?[/quote]Can awesome be more awesome?
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
Ian Stewart + David DeJesus = Victory
dylanjQuote Reply
honestly though in a thin market this is ok i guess. stewart is only a year removed from a .781 OPS season
dylanjQuote Reply
…in Colorado.
ACTQuote Reply
hey its nothing to get excited about but at least he has a track record of decent years.
dylanjQuote Reply
so in a day Theo has dumped 2 recent high picks of Mr Wilken. Interesting
dylanjQuote Reply
[quote name=dylanj]honestly though in a thin market this is ok i guess. stewart is only a year removed from a .781 OPS season[/quote]He’s a corner IF who’s had one season of above average OPS+ in a ballpark that seriously inflates offensive numbers. It’s hard for me to be very excited about this. Just seems like the Cubs swapped their trash for COL’s.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=dylanj]so in a day Theo has dumped 2 recent high picks of Mr Wilken. Interesting[/quote]That is interesting. Hayden Simpson better pack a bag.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]That is interesting. Hayden Simpson better pack a bag.[/quote]I’ll help.
uncle daveQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]He’s a corner IF who’s had one season of above average OPS+ in a ballpark that seriously inflates offensive numbers. It’s hard for me to be very excited about this. Just seems like the Cubs swapped their trash for COL’s.[/quote]
FWIW, I think OPS+ is park-adjusted. Still pretty meh on Stewart though. He has a good eye, but can’t hit shit.
BerseliusQuote Reply
LeMahieu is probably the only piece in this deal that might do anything worthwhile.
Aisle424Quote Reply
[quote name=Aisle424]LeMahieu is probably the only piece in this deal that might do anything worthwhile.[/quote]Meh. I was never enthused by the little I saw from him. Seems like his swing gets loopy and defense was just okay. He’s probably a decent bench IF.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=GBTS]Chris Paul —–> Lakers
[/quote]
False.
Since the league owns the Hornets a bunch of the owners are holding it up saying it’s not in the best interests of the league (dying laughing) (dying laughing)
BerseliusQuote Reply
I can’t wait until Stern trades Paul to the Knicks (dying laughing)
BerseliusQuote Reply
Weathers was seen to have closer stuff before he had TJ. Looks like he’s just taking a while to bounch back
BerseliusQuote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]False.
Since the league owns the Hornets a bunch of the owners are holding it up saying it’s not in the best interests of the league (dying laughing) (dying laughing)[/quote](dying laughing), the NBA is a clusterfuck on rollerskates on ice.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]Weathers was seen to have closer stuff before he had TJ. Looks like he’s just taking a while to bounch back[/quote]He’s got the K numbers for it.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
For the record, I’m excited about Ian Stewart (dying laughing)
GWQuote Reply
iirc weathers was a college closer who was talked about as a potential straight to the majors guy (kinda like cashner)
GWQuote Reply
[quote name=GW]For the record, I’m excited about Ian Stewart (dying laughing)[/quote]
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
Text from a friend:
“Albert Pujols deal pays him 79 cents a second for 10 years.”
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
and i don’t think highly of lemahieu
GWQuote Reply
ROFLisberger’s ankle go boom
Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy
BerseliusQuote Reply
Also, holy shit are those Steelers unis hideous
BerseliusQuote Reply
[quote name=GW]and i don’t think highly of lemahieu[/quote]The feeling is mutual.
/troll
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=dylanj]honestly though in a thin market this is ok i guess. stewart is only a year removed from a .781 OPS season[/quote]Colvin is a year removed from an OPS over .800. Basically they traded shit for shit and then traded a 22 year old infielder with mlb experience for a 26 year old reliever with no AAA experience. Not high on LeMahieu, but much rather have him than Weathers.
mb21Quote Reply
Yeah, I was disappointed about the LeMahieu/Weathers part of the deal, too. Both teams must think more highly of Stewart than Colvin.
ACTQuote Reply
[quote name=mb21]Colvin is a year removed from an OPS over .800. Basically they traded shit for shit and then traded a 22 year old infielder with mlb experience for a 26 year old reliever with no AAA experience. Not high on LeMahieu, but much rather have him than Weathers.[/quote]
i’m guessing weathers was a throw in to get the cubs to let go of lemahieu
GWQuote Reply
[quote name=ACT]Yeah, I was disappointed about the LeMahieu/Weathers part of the deal, too. Both teams must think more highly of Stewart than Colvin.[/quote]
as well they should.
GWQuote Reply
I fully expect a bizarre stat line from Colvin next year if he gets PT in COL.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=GW]For the record, I’m excited about Ian Stewart (dying laughing)[/quote]I’d rather have LeMahieu and I’m not sure if I said it today, but I’d much rather the Cubs have removed him from the 40-man roster and protected Flaherty.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]
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pinetarQuote Reply
[quote name=GW]as well they should.[/quote]Only because of the position. Stewart can’t hit lefties or righties. He’s below average in the field, but at least he’s been worth 1 run on the bases in his career. Colvin can’t hit lefties or righties, but has at least been decent in the field and the same on the bases as Stewart. They both suck. It’s nothing more than a garbage trade like MO said. The thing that sucks about it is the only possible valuable piece in the trade was given up by the Cubs. For Stewart and a guy who makes Carlos Marmol’s control look like David Wells.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder](dying laughing), the NBA is a clusterfuck on rollerskates on ice.[/quote]https://twitter.com/#!/CP3/status/144962250854248448
(dying laughing)
GBTSQuote Reply
And that was unlikely to ever happen so big deal. I’d just like to have gotten more than a guy who will make Marmol feel better about his command.
mb21Quote Reply
Anyway, I really hope the Cubs have more in mind for the hot corner than just Stewart. He might be viable as a platoon player (if he returns to his pre-2011 form), but I don’t want to see him every day
ACTQuote Reply
[quote name=pinetar]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7gLy3JHKSs[/quote]That guy is a terrible shot. (dying laughing)
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
Too bad that’s from 4 and a half years ago. Too bad it’s a TJS later. Too bad his control sucked ass before the TJS. Other than that, this guy is awesome.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=ACT]Anyway, I really hope the Cubs have more in mind for the hot corner than just Stewart. He might be viable as a platoon player (if he returns to his pre-2011 form), but I don’t want to see him every day[/quote]I’d rather have Jeff Baker playing 3rd and I think Baker sucks.
mb21Quote Reply
Wow, ROFLisberger is playing on a fucked up ankle. Madness.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=mb21]Only because of the position. Stewart can’t hit lefties or righties. He’s below average in the field, but at least he’s been worth 1 run on the bases in his career. Colvin can’t hit lefties or righties, but has at least been decent in the field and the same on the bases as Stewart. They both suck. It’s nothing more than a garbage trade like MO said. The thing that sucks about it is the only possible valuable piece in the trade was given up by the Cubs. For Stewart and a guy who makes Carlos Marmol’s control look like David Wells.[/quote]
stewart’s major league numbers are on par with colvin’s minor league numbers. stewart is a former ba top 5 prospect, reaching his prime. good buy-low candidate, imo. colvin was never worth buying.
GWQuote Reply
[quote name=mb21]I’d rather have LeMahieu and I’m not sure if I said it today, but I’d much rather the Cubs have removed him from the 40-man roster and protected Flaherty.[/quote][quote name=mb21]Too bad that’s from 4 and a half years ago. Too bad it’s a TJS later. Too bad his control sucked ass before the TJS. Other than that, this guy is awesome.[/quote][quote name=mb21]I’d rather have Jeff Baker playing 3rd and I think Baker sucks.[/quote]
Don’t you like anything?
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
I forgot if anyone mentioned it, but were the Rockies going to non-tender Stewart?
Rice CubeQuote Reply
I agree Colvin was never worth buying, but what exactly are we buying low on? Stewart has a .236/.323/.428 line in Colorado over 5 seasons and nearly 1500 plate appearances. Over the last 2 years he has a 79 OPS+. It’s 87 over the last 3 years. He’s also coming off a wrist injury, which could erase almost all the power he has, which is sadly the only thing valuable about him since even with good plate discipline his OBP is still going to be below average.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]I forgot if anyone mentioned it, but were the Rockies going to non-tender Stewart?[/quote]Probably.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Don’t you like anything?[/quote]I like BCB.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=mb21]Probably.[/quote]If that’s the case…what’s the risk in waiting? Were they afraid Stewart would automatically just sign a minor-league deal with the Rockies?
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=mb21]I like BCB.[/quote]Penicillin will clear that right up.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
It’s also worth noting that Stewart was a top 5 prospect entering the 2005 season. That was 7 years ago.
BTW, I don’t dislike the trade. I don’t see a point in it. I’d rather have LeMahieu, but it has nothing to do with me thinking he’s any good. He’s not. He never will be. Neither will Stewart. Neither will Colvin. Neither will this guy who walks every other batters he faces. I probably won’t be a big fan of paying Stewart $3 million more than he’s worth, but it’s not my money.
mb21Quote Reply
I’ve heard the crazy theory that the Cubs would do the trade, then non-tender Stewart, then re-sign him so they could avoid that arbitration raise.
I think that’s a rather pointless way to do business, but just throwing that out there.
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[quote name=mb21]I agree Colvin was never worth buying, but what exactly are we buying low on? Stewart has a .236/.323/.428 line in Colorado over 5 seasons and nearly 1500 plate appearances. Over the last 2 years he has a 79 OPS+. It’s 87 over the last 3 years. He’s also coming off a wrist injury, which could erase almost all the power he has, which is sadly the only thing valuable about him since even with good plate discipline his OBP is still going to be below average.[/quote]
potential. as is always the case with buy-lows. the guy raked in the minors, and put up decent numbers in his 23-25 seasons at the major league level. got dicked around last year after a slow start (lots of pinch hitting), but continued to rake in aaa during his stint there. his defense is slightly below average, but not terrible. he’s entering his 27 year old season. i think he ‘s a decent bet to be an above average 3rd baseman at a thin position.
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[quote name=Rice Cube]If that’s the case…what’s the risk in waiting? Were they afraid Stewart would automatically just sign a minor-league deal with the Rockies?[/quote]I don’t know RC. The Cubs must have been convinced he wouldn’t be non-tendered. That’s the only thing that makes sense. Maybe he wouldn’t have been, but I would have taken the chance.
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A decent bet to be an above average 3rd baseman? Just how decent because I’ll take you up on it. He raked in AAA, but come on. It’s the PCL and it’s in Colorado Springs. The team had a .366 OBP last year and slugged nearly .500. They scored 6.5 runs per game. They made the Iowa Cubs look a small ball team. Despite scoring 6 and a half runs a game, they finished 16 games under .500. They don’t play baseball in Colorado Springs. It’s an event where people circle the bases for fun. His AAA OBP last year was below the Sky Sox average and equal to the PCL average (including pitchers). Over the last 4 years that AAA team (Sky Sox) have averaged 6 runs per game. That’s about .8 runs more per 9 than the I-Cubs.
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[quote name=pinetar]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7gLy3JHKSs[/quote]Oddly enough, I missed this comment because I was watching this:
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[quote name=mb21]A decent bet to be an above average 3rd baseman? Just how decent because I’ll take you up on it. He raked in AAA, but come on. It’s the PCL and it’s in Colorado Springs. The team had a .366 OBP last year and slugged nearly .500. They scored 6.5 runs per game. They made the Iowa Cubs look a small ball team. Despite scoring 6 and a half runs a game, they finished 16 games under .500. They don’t play baseball in Colorado Springs. It’s an event where people circle the bases for fun. His AAA OBP last year was below the Sky Sox average and equal to the PCL average (including pitchers). Over the last 4 years that AAA team (Sky Sox) have averaged 6 runs per game. That’s about .8 runs more per 9 than the I-Cubs.[/quote]I liked this part.
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[quote name=Rice Cube]I liked this part.[/quote]Every night is like those games in Coors you surely remember. You know, the ones where the score was 9-1 in the 4th inning and it’s not even close to being over? They’re not even taking the starting pitcher out yet. Remember that? That’s Colorado Springs baseball.
if you have issues with I-Cubs stats you don’t even bother looking at the Sky Sox stats.
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[quote name=mb21]A decent bet to be an above average 3rd baseman? Just how decent because I’ll take you up on it. He raked in AAA, but come on. It’s the PCL and it’s in Colorado Springs. The team had a .366 OBP last year and slugged nearly .500. They scored 6.5 runs per game. They made the Iowa Cubs look a small ball team. Despite scoring 6 and a half runs a game, they finished 16 games under .500. They don’t play baseball in Colorado Springs. It’s an event where people circle the bases for fun. His AAA OBP last year was below the Sky Sox average and equal to the PCL average (including pitchers). Over the last 4 years that AAA team (Sky Sox) have averaged 6 runs per game. That’s about .8 runs more per 9 than the I-Cubs.[/quote]
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The I-Cubs scored 5.2 runs per game last year and I’m pretty sure anyone here would look at any player’s stats on that team and laugh. They’d subtract a whole lot. You should. But they scored 1.3 runs fewer per 9 innings. The Sky Sox scored 932 runs. The I-Cubs scored 750. The average batter on the Sky Sox (including pitchers) hit .305. They had a .366 OBP and a .489 slugging. Basically, the average batter was not quite as good as Vlad. The average batter was not quite a Hall of Famer.
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[/quote]yes. That’s what it looks like. Exactly like that.
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[quote name=mb21]The I-Cubs scored 5.2 runs per game last year and I’m pretty sure anyone here would look at any player’s stats on that team and laugh.[/quote]I look at Tyler’s I-Cubs stats last year and cry.
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[quote name=mb21]A decent bet to be an above average 3rd baseman? Just how decent because I’ll take you up on it. He raked in AAA, but come on. It’s the PCL and it’s in Colorado Springs. The team had a .366 OBP last year and slugged nearly .500. They scored 6.5 runs per game. They made the Iowa Cubs look a small ball team. Despite scoring 6 and a half runs a game, they finished 16 games under .500. They don’t play baseball in Colorado Springs. It’s an event where people circle the bases for fun. His AAA OBP last year was below the Sky Sox average and equal to the PCL average (including pitchers). Over the last 4 years that AAA team (Sky Sox) have averaged 6 runs per game. That’s about .8 runs more per 9 than the I-Cubs.[/quote]
make it the median, and you are on.
GWQuote Reply
[quote name=ACT]I look at Tyler’s I-Cubs stats last year and cry.[/quote]I look at LaHair’s, realize that he’s going to start all year on the basis of those inflated digits, and laugh like a hyena with a brain tumor.
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even odds, minimum of what, 70 games started at 3rd? average of fwar and rwar
GWQuote Reply
[quote name=GW]even odds, minimum of what, 70 games started at 3rd? average of fwar and rwar[/quote]median or mean? I’m not sure what the median is and I’m too tired to figure it out right now. It’s exhausting when you gotta complain all day. (dying laughing)
I don’t really want to go by WAR. If he ends up playing 75 games his defense could easily be rated at +/- 13 and there’s no reason to think he’d actually perform that poorly on defense. Do we agree he’s average or so on defense? If so, I’d want to ignore it. At the very least we need to regress it to his projected total.
What are we betting? $100? Charity?
Shoot me an email if you want.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=mb21]median or mean? I’m not sure what the median is and I’m too tired to figure it out right now. It’s exhausting when you gotta complain all day. (dying laughing)
I don’t really want to go by WAR. If he ends up playing 75 games his defense could easily be rated at +/- 13 and there’s no reason to think he’d actually perform that poorly on defense. Do we agree he’s average or so on defense? If so, I’d want to ignore it. At the very least we need to regress it to his projected total.
What are we betting? $100? Charity?
Shoot me an email if you want.[/quote]
i’d rather the median because i don’t think his chances are greater than 50% for the mean, but i would take odds for the mean, depending how you felt about it.
we can do it $100 for charity. give me until sunday to get back with you, because i’m pretty swamped right now.
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I don’t think I really like the trade, although it’s still insignificant. Obviously I’m not a scout, but I would have been content to start the season with Flaherty, LeMayhew, Baker, and Dewitt splitting the 2B/3B. I think you’d get avg. defense and avg. offense out of that. Hell just platoon both positions. The reason I don’t get trading DJ Lamaeihiuieu is that he can easily outhit Barney and assuming he’s avg at 2B, he’d easily replace him. I’d trade Barney to one of these teams that really wants a SS because with so many years of control, he’s valuable. Same is true of LeMeihiu.
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[quote name=mb21]median or mean? I’m not sure what the median is and I’m too tired to figure it out right now. It’s exhausting when you gotta complain all day. (dying laughing)[/quote](dying laughing)
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[quote name=Recalcitrant Blogger Nate]I don’t think I really like the trade, although it’s still insignificant. Obviously I’m not a scout, but I would have been content to start the season with Flaherty, LeMayhew, Baker, and Dewitt splitting the 2B/3B. I think you’d get avg. defense and avg. offense out of that. Hell just platoon both positions. The reason I don’t get trading DJ Lamaeihiuieu is that he can easily outhit Barney and assuming he’s avg at 2B, he’d easily replace him. I’d trade Barney to one of these teams that really wants a SS because with so many years of control, he’s valuable. Same is true of LeMeihiu.[/quote]
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[quote name=GW]i’d rather the median because i don’t think his chances are greater than 50% for the mean, but i would take odds for the mean, depending how you felt about it.
we can do it $100 for charity. give me until sunday to get back with you, because i’m pretty swamped right now.[/quote]under
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Now whenever I hear Chewy I’m going to think he’s saying “LeMahieu”.
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[quote name=fang2415]Now whenever I hear Chewy I’m going to think he’s saying “LeMahieu”.[/quote]He is.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=fang2415]Now whenever I hear Chewy I’m going to think he’s saying “LeMahieu”.[/quote]Ever see the guy behind the fur? He’s kind of weird looking…
http://trialx.com/curetalk/wp-content/blogs.dir/7/files/2011/04/gcelebrities/Peter_Mayhew-1.jpg
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Fucking quote function
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[quote name=Rice Cube]Ever see the guy behind the fur? He’s kind of weird looking…
http://trialx.com/curetalk/wp-content/blogs.dir/7/files/2011/04/gcelebrities/Peter_Mayhew-1.jpg%5B/quote%5D
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All right, f2415 out, fuckfaces. You have no idea how late it is here.
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[quote name=fang2415]All right, f2415 out, fuckfaces. You have no idea how late it is here.[/quote]About 5 a.m.?
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New shit: http://obstructedview.net/chicago-cubs/articles/getting-to-know-ian-stewart.html
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