Barry Larkin joined the ghost of Ron Santo as the only inductees in the 2012 class of the Baseball Hall of Fame. Below are the final vote totals:
- Barry Larkin 495 (86.4%)
- Jack Morris 382 (66.7%)
- Jeff Bagwell 321 (56.0%)
- Lee Smith 290 (50.6%)
- Tim Raines 279 (48.7%)
- Edgar Martinez 209 (36.5%)
- Alan Trammell 211 (36.8%)
- Fred McGriff 137 (23.9%)
- Larry Walker 131 (22.9%)
- Mark McGwire 112 (19.5%)
- Don Mattingly 102 (17.8%)
- Dale Murphy 83 (14.5%)
- Rafael Palmeiro 72 (12.6%)
- Bernie Williams 55 (9.6%)
- Juan Gonzalez 23 (4.0%)
- Vinny Castilla 6 (1.0%)
- Tim Salmon 5 (0.9%)
- Bill Mueller 4 (0.7%)
- Brad Radke 2 (0.3%)
- Javy Lopez 1 (0.2%)
- Eric Young 1 (0.2%)
- Jeromy Burnitz, Brian Jordan, Terry Mulholland, Phil Nevin, Ruben Sierra, Tony Womack 0.
It seems ridiculous to me that Bagwell and Raines aren’t in, but the BBWAA, as a group, seems to have issues with pharmaceuticals for both of them.
Since Bagwell can’t prove a negative and he played during a time when steroid use was rampant, he obviously can’t be trusted as a good person. Sure, he never raped children or women, but we can’t say with 100% certainty that he never injected himself with a steroid. Thus, he’ll have to wait a bit.
As for Raines, his drug use is more documented, but the last time I checked, cocaine is not considered a performance enhancer, so it must be some sort of morality clause that I’m not aware of. Mickey Mantle drank himself to death, and there are plenty of other Hall of Famers who didn’t exactly treat their bodies as temples, but somehow Raines’ cocaine use is being held against him more than, say, Paul Molitor’s was.
But congratulations to Barry Larkin for being an excellent baseball player and for also being a good person (as far as we know).
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Win.
jtsunamiQuote Reply
[quote name=]Vinny Castilla 6 (1.0%)[/quote]
(dying laughing)
WenningtonsGorillaCockQuote Reply
I can’t believe not one Chicago writer voted for Terry Mulholland based solely on his relief appearance on the last day of the 1998 season the day after he started.
Aisle424Quote Reply
Someone literally voted that Eric Young was, not just a scrappy player and a nice guy, but HALL OF FAME worthy? Who are these voters? A machine did this, right?
joshQuote Reply
I’ve literally never heard of Jack Morris until this article.
joshQuote Reply
(dying laughing) at a reliever getting more votes than Raines. WTF is wrong with these people???
Rodrigo RamirezQuote Reply
Says you
MishQuote Reply
MishQuote Reply
At least Bagwell has the majority on his side; I think he gets in eventually.
ACTQuote Reply
[quote name=josh]Someone literally voted that Eric Young was, not just a scrappy player and a nice guy, but HALL OF FAME worthy? Who are these voters? A machine did this, right?[/quote]You forget about the all-important eye test.
ACTQuote Reply
Should we add drug use to the list of things that make you a bad person?
1. Rape of woman
2. Rape of children
3. Steroids
4. Drug use
WaLiQuote Reply
[quote name=WaLi]Should we add drug use to the list of things that make you a bad person?
1. Rape of woman
2. Rape of children
3. Steroids
4. Drug use
5. ??????
6. Profit![/quote]
Wait, what?
Suburban kidQuote Reply
[quote name=WaLi]Should we add drug use to the list of things that make you a bad person?
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Well there goes my moral standing (dying laughing)
MishQuote Reply
[quote name=Mish]Well there goes my moral standing (dying laughing)[/quote](dying laughing) True. I want to maintain my self-imposed slightly above average rating.
WaLiQuote Reply
[quote name=WaLi]Should we add drug use to the list of things that make you a bad person?
1. Rape of woman
2. Rape of children
3. Steroids
4. Drug use[/quote]Tiger Woods has been a bad person for what, 2 years now? Add golf to that list.
jtsunamiQuote Reply
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RodrigoQuote Reply
Fred McGriff is a bad person for once taking a long time to decide whether to waive the no trade rights he successfully earned and uproot his family and agree to a trade to the Cubs to temporarily further their precarious playoffs hopes. Not a HOF’er. We need to find out who cast those 137 votes and make their names public.
WenningtonsGorillaCockQuote Reply
9 blank ballots?
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/09/nine-hall-of-fame-ballots-were-returned-blank/
Wasted paper.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=Rodrigo].[/quote]That’s an excellent point. Tell me more.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
They’re on to you, berselius.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
All he does is sin.
Smokestack LightningQuote Reply
Snyds asked about the bullpen in the last thread. Here’s what I got.
Sure things: Marmol, Samardzija, Russell
One of Maine, Beliveau, Gaub
Likely: Corpas, Sonnanstine
7th, if they use 7: Dolis, Cabrera, or Mateo
mb21Quote Reply
what are the chances that the cubs move to a non-traditional rotation with all the 4/5 types they are collecting?
GWQuote Reply
non-traditional rotation in what sense?
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=mb21]non-traditional rotation in what sense?[/quote]
some variation of the multiple three inning starters per game strategies that have been hypothesized
GWQuote Reply
what was the book plan? two regular starters plus a mix and match schedule for the other three positions? something like that could work with the cubs as they are currently set up
GWQuote Reply
[quote name=GW]some variation of the multiple three inning starters per game strategies that have been hypothesized[/quote]Link? I can’t seem to remember that idea.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=GW]what was the book plan? two regular starters plus a mix and match schedule for the other three positions? something like that could work with the cubs as they are currently set up[/quote]If you have nine starters ( (dying laughing) x 9) I think you can stagger them such that each guy has plenty of rest. 2-3 innings each with three guys, then go to your closer-du-jour.
It just might work.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=GW]what was the book plan? two regular starters plus a mix and match schedule for the other three positions? something like that could work with the cubs as they are currently set up[/quote]The Book’s plan was for 5 starters pitching something like this.
Day 1: Ace
Day 2: #2
Day 3: #4/#5
Day 4: #3
Day 5: #5/#4
1s, 2s, and 3s are basically the same as it is now whereas the 4th and 5th starters each start one game, but also relieve the other. Each starter pitches about 3 innings to maximize the times through the order advantage.
mb21Quote Reply
n/m
GWQuote Reply
[quote name=mb21]Link? I can’t seem to remember that idea.[/quote]I think Tango actually put it to print in “The Book” if I’m not mistaken. It was either in one of the regular pitching chapters or the reliever leverage chapter.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
i must be conflating tango’s plan with some conversations i’ve had with other people who proposed something more radical than what the book did.
GWQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]If you have nine starters ( (dying laughing) x 9) I think you can stagger them such that each guy has plenty of rest. 2-3 innings each with three guys, then go to your closer-du-jour.
It just might work.[/quote]I think the Cubs should just release the pitchers after their start.After Opening Day Garza is released. Same thing with Dempster after game 2.
mb21Quote Reply
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/ba5fd32f31/kristen-bell-s-body-of-lies?playlist=featured_videos
(dying laughing)
(dying laughing)
Aisle424Quote Reply
i can’t remember specifics, but it basically involved something akin to what you might see in the low minors: a bigger “rotation”, 2-3 inning stints for all the involved pitchers and a thinner ‘pen
GWQuote Reply
[quote name=GW]i must be conflating tango’s plan with some conversations i’ve had with other people who proposed something more radical than what the book did.[/quote]I think it would be tough to get 8 to 9 innings per week per starting pitcher if you used them 3 innings at a time. You’d at least want the 1-2-3 to be getting close to 9 innings per week anyway. With 6.5 games per week they’d be throwing 3 innings every other day except when there’s an off-day.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=mb21]I think it would be tough to get 8 to 9 innings per week per starting pitcher if you used them 3 innings at a time. You’d at least want the 1-2-3 to be getting close to 9 innings per week anyway. With 6.5 games per week they’d be throwing 3 innings every other day except when there’s an off-day.[/quote]
right, it would only make sense if all your starters sucked, which could very well be the case if garza and dempster are shipped out
GWQuote Reply
[quote name=mb21]Snyds asked about the bullpen in the last thread. Here’s what I got.
Sure things: Marmol, Samardzija, Russell
One of Maine, Beliveau, Gaub
Likely: Corpas, Sonnanstine
7th, if they use 7: Dolis, Cabrera, or Mateo[/quote]I was going to say Coleman should be in there at least ahead of Mateo, but holy shit he pitched 84 uniformly awful innings last year.
Suburban kidQuote Reply
http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/07/two-days-in-kilimanjaro-is-in-sight/
MishQuote Reply
[quote name=Mish]http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/07/two-days-in-kilimanjaro-is-in-sight/[/quote]I can’t wait for the blog entry where he talks about the Mets voiding his contract.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=Aisle424]http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/ba5fd32f31/kristen-bell-s-body-of-lies?playlist=featured_videos
(dying laughing)
(dying laughing)[/quote]Oh, that tits.
jtsunamiQuote Reply
[quote name=jtsunami]Oh, that tits.[/quote]
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Aisle424Quote Reply
[quote name=mb21]Snyds asked about the bullpen in the last thread. Here’s what I got.
Sure things: Marmol, Samardzija, Russell
One of Maine, Beliveau, Gaub
Likely: Corpas, Sonnanstine
7th, if they use 7: Dolis, Cabrera, or Mateo[/quote]
That doesnt seem as rough as one would think. IF Corpas is even close to what he was before the surgery, he might be a nice little piece to have, and by that i mean wont be Koyie bad…
Snyds01Quote Reply
[quote name=Mish]http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/07/two-days-in-kilimanjaro-is-in-sight/[/quote]
I think that makes him a good person.
WaLiQuote Reply
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GWQuote Reply
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Aisle424Quote Reply
You now a meme has taken off when nobody bothers making a Dickey joke.
Aisle424Quote Reply
[quote name=Aisle424]You now a meme has taken off when nobody bothers making a Dickey joke.[/quote]Is Kevin Millar on this blog?
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=WaLi]I think that makes him a good person.[/quote]No…
…but this makes him an awesome person.
MishQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]Is Kevin Millar on this blog?[/quote]www.iskevinmillaronthisblog.com
EDIT
Also could have responded with “Would you ask Tom Petty that question.” I don’t know which one is higher on the OV Meme power rankings.
MishQuote Reply
Kaplan says Cubs “down the road” of dealing Garza to DET, which I assume means his source is across the street at some coffee shop:
http://www.csnchicago.com/blog/cubs-talk/post/Tigers-Cubs-talking-Garza-trade
MishQuote Reply
From some @weebs11 that HJE RT’d
MishQuote Reply
Aisle424Quote Reply
Fernando Martinez was DFA’d. Might be worth a flier.
JManQuote Reply
new shit: http://obstructedview.net/chicago-cubs/articles/matt-garza-update2.html
mb21Quote Reply