[quote name=mb21]That was a fantastic scene.[/quote] Maybe my favorite scene in TV history. It’s right up there with the Shane suicide scene from the Shield.
Does anyone think that Jesse is still interested in protecting Walt, or did something happen on the trip back from Mexico that changed his mind and put him firmly under the control of Gus? Or is he actually trying to benefit somehow by playing the two off on each other? I’m not sure that he has anything to gain by continuing to protect Walt.
Also, do you think that’s the last we’ll see of Hector or does he somehow manage to insert himself in the DEA investigation?
I think we see Jesse help Walt out in the next episode. Something has to happen to bring those two together again. The relationship will never be what it once was, but with 18 episodes left I don’t see how the show can have those two share so little camera time together.
That last scene with Hector seemed to be the final scene for him in the show. Gus finally got the revenge he needed.
I think Jesse is continuing to protect Walt because he does feel a fatherly connection to Walt.
Has this season been better than the last? I’m inclined to think so, which is impressive considering how good season 3 was.
Can the comparisons to Scarface stop now? Tony never had the care for others mixed with his selfishnish and ego that drove him to moments of madness and defeat like Walt had in Crawl Space.
Walt’s ineptness and moments of bad luck make him him seem more authentic. He tries to dictate the future of this business but gets out hustled. He tries to protect his family only to have unforeseen economic problems. He thought his genius could save him but that currency is bankrupt. As unidentifiable as his context is to the viewers his struggles come off as common.
Jesse’s development is true to the character that we were introduced to when it would be easy for the writers to simply use him as a plot vehicle. He reacts to Walt as hurt, prideful, loyal and empathetic.
[quote name=cdw]Can the comparisons to Scarface stop now? Tony never had the care for others mixed with his selfishnish and ego that drove him to moments of madness and defeat like Walt had in Crawl Space.
Walt’s ineptness and moments of bad luck make him him seem more authentic. He tries to dictate the future of this business but gets out hustled. He tries to protect his family only to have unforeseen economic problems. He thought his genius could save him but that currency is bankrupt. As unidentifiable as his context is to the viewers his struggles come off as common.[/quote]I think the Scarface comparison is more about the type of person Walt has and will become. Scarface was ruthless and Walt has, at times, shown that same ruthlessness.
There are a lot of differences, though. Scarface had very few, if any, likable traits. Walter, even at this point, still has moments where you empathize with him. Those moments are fewer than before, but last night was a great one. Walt thinks, for the final time, that his grand plan of setting his family up before his death has come to a crashing end.
[quote name=cdw]Jesse’s development is true to the character that we were introduced to when it would be easy for the writers to simply use him as a plot vehicle. He reacts to Walt as hurt, prideful, loyal and empathetic.[/quote]Aaron Paul should apply for the Best Actor category. I think he’d give Cranston a run for his money. In the first 3 seasons, Cranston was the superior actor each year, but Paul got better and better. I actually think Paul has been slightly better than Cranston this year. There are two episodes left and we know a showdown with Gus is coming so maybe that changes. Am I the only one who thinks Paul has been better this season? Not that Cranston hasn’t been superb, but Paul has been outstanding.
I think Paul has been given more RBI opportunities (This is still about motherfucking baseball!) to work with than Bryan. Bryan has done very well with his (crawl space, monolgue with the cripple, “I knock”). As much as the show has been about Walt I feel that Paul has carried this season.
[quote name=mb21]I think the Scarface comparison is more about the type of person Walt has and will become. Scarface was ruthless and Walt has, at times, shown that same ruthlessness.
There are a lot of differences, though. Scarface had very few, if any, likable traits. Walter, even at this point, still has moments where you empathize with him. Those moments are fewer than before, but last night was a great one. Walt thinks, for the final time, that his grand plan of setting his family up before his death has come to a crashing end.[/quote]And this is why the comparisons to Scarface seem superficial and drug related to me. Though they are both aggressive and impulsive.
Also, Jesse’s loyalty is clearly to Mike and Walt. The Mike angle could play against Gus. Mike is loyal to Gus but Jesse could turn on Gus if Jesse feels Gus doesn’t respect Mike’s life.
Or Jesse could turn on Gus if he overplays the hit on Hank? b/c it interacts with Walt. ie Gus tries to take out Walt and Hank b/c of the tip to the DEA.
[quote name=cdw]Also, Jesse’s loyalty is clearly to Mike and Walt. The Mike angle could play against Gus. Mike is loyal to Gus but Jesse could turn on Gus if Jesse feels Gus doesn’t respect Mike’s life.
Or Jesse could turn on Gus if he overplays the hit on Hank? b/c it interacts with Walt. ie Gus tries to take out Walt and Hank b/c of the tip to the DEA.[/quote]Jesse doesn’t seem to realize that Hank is watching the lab and that he will soon be seen. Yeah, Gus intends to take him out, but methinks Hank is smarter than Gus. I think Hank is the smartest character on the show.
I have a feeling that Hank closes in on Gus and that Walt takes Gus out. Somehow Hank is then going to start focusing on Walt. Just a guess.
[quote name=GBTS]Best ending to an episode in TV history.[/quote]This season has 3 or 4 of the best endings I’ve ever seen. The first episode that Gus say nothing for nearly 10 minutes, but neatly go about changing clothes just to slit Victor’s throat. Then there was the flashback scene with Gus and his friend with the cartel followed the week after with Gus, Mike and Jesse taking them out once and for all. Then last night.
[quote name=GBTS]Best ending to an episode in TV history.[/quote] I’ve said that I think that scene is my favorite in TV history (post Dallas).
[quote name=cdw]Walt’s ineptness and moments of bad luck make him him seem more authentic. He tries to dictate the future of this business but gets out hustled. He tries to protect his family only to have unforeseen economic problems. He thought his genius could save him but that currency is bankrupt. As unidentifiable as his context is to the viewers his struggles come off as common.[/quote] This is an important point about the show. It doesn’t come across as corny because of that point.
[quote name=cdw]And this is why the comparisons to Scarface seem superficial and drug related to me. Though they are both aggressive and impulsive.[/quote]That, and the whole thing about this show being way, way better than “Scarface” (IMHO).
No doubt, Dave. This is way better than Scarface and I loved that movie. Maybe the reason I liked it so much was that it was one of the first R rated movies I watched as a kid so I thought I was an adult. (dying laughing)
I thought it was just a good movie when I viewed it years later.
Here’s my question: does Gus get killed in the next episode of the final episode of the season? Gus getting killed this week would be more shocking, but it seems there’s still too much for Walt to take care of before that’s possible. Killing him at the end of the season would be expected.
It’s only been a year, bubbles. He spent a good part of that time in the RV and he made no money and then he’s been in the super lab since. They bought the car was for just under $1 million and gave Ted $.6 million. All the money he’s made so far is gone.
[quote name=mb21]No doubt, Dave. This is way better than Scarface and I loved that movie. Maybe the reason I liked it so much was that it was one of the first R rated movies I watched as a kid so I thought I was an adult. (dying laughing)
I thought it was just a good movie when I viewed it years later.[/quote]Yeah, I’ve never really understood the appeal, but then again, I never saw it until I was like 35 so maybe that has something to do with it (dying laughing).
[quote name=uncle dave]Yeah, I’ve never really understood the appeal, but then again, I never saw it until I was like 35 so maybe that has something to do with it (dying laughing).[/quote]It was probably A LOT better when it first came out. There’s a lot about the movie that I’m not a big fan of after watching it later on, but Pacino isn’t one of them. He may have overplayed the role at times, which he’s prone to do, but he played that role very well. A lot of the other stuff in the movie has been done better since, but I do think you’ll find a lot of writers in that genre who think it’s a classic movie.
[quote name=mb21]It was probably A LOT better when it first came out. There’s a lot about the movie that I’m not a big fan of after watching it later on, but Pacino isn’t one of them. He may have overplayed the role at times, which he’s prone to do, but he played that role very well. A lot of the other stuff in the movie has been done better since, but I do think you’ll find a lot of writers in that genre who think it’s a classic movie.[/quote]I’m not sure how you can overplay a scene where you fire a grenade launcher indoors while delivering a line like “SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND!” What more can an actor do to take that over the top? I think the real danger is underplaying it, like Charles Bronson did in Death Wish III.
Walt only has enough to disappear three. He sends his family off and stays behind, and to save his life the season ends with Walt confessing to Hank that he is Heisenberg.
Walt only has enough to disappear three. He sends his family off and stays behind, and to save his life the season ends with Walt confessing to Hank that he is Heisenberg.[/quote]This is a really strong possibility I think. I think it would be a great cliffhanger for the next season.
Walt only has enough to disappear three. He sends his family off and stays behind, and to save his life the season ends with Walt confessing to Hank that he is Heisenberg.[/quote]Bold. I like your style…
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Great episode. I had one ready to publish and it showed up so I thought it had published, but I’m an idiot. (dying laughing)
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That was a fantastic scene.
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[quote name=mb21]That was a fantastic scene.[/quote]
Maybe my favorite scene in TV history. It’s right up there with the Shane suicide scene from the Shield.
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Does anyone think that Jesse is still interested in protecting Walt, or did something happen on the trip back from Mexico that changed his mind and put him firmly under the control of Gus? Or is he actually trying to benefit somehow by playing the two off on each other? I’m not sure that he has anything to gain by continuing to protect Walt.
Also, do you think that’s the last we’ll see of Hector or does he somehow manage to insert himself in the DEA investigation?
Yikes.
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I think we see Jesse help Walt out in the next episode. Something has to happen to bring those two together again. The relationship will never be what it once was, but with 18 episodes left I don’t see how the show can have those two share so little camera time together.
That last scene with Hector seemed to be the final scene for him in the show. Gus finally got the revenge he needed.
I think Jesse is continuing to protect Walt because he does feel a fatherly connection to Walt.
Has this season been better than the last? I’m inclined to think so, which is impressive considering how good season 3 was.
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Can the comparisons to Scarface stop now? Tony never had the care for others mixed with his selfishnish and ego that drove him to moments of madness and defeat like Walt had in Crawl Space.
Walt’s ineptness and moments of bad luck make him him seem more authentic. He tries to dictate the future of this business but gets out hustled. He tries to protect his family only to have unforeseen economic problems. He thought his genius could save him but that currency is bankrupt. As unidentifiable as his context is to the viewers his struggles come off as common.
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Jesse’s development is true to the character that we were introduced to when it would be easy for the writers to simply use him as a plot vehicle. He reacts to Walt as hurt, prideful, loyal and empathetic.
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/Monologue’d
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[quote name=cdw]Can the comparisons to Scarface stop now? Tony never had the care for others mixed with his selfishnish and ego that drove him to moments of madness and defeat like Walt had in Crawl Space.
Walt’s ineptness and moments of bad luck make him him seem more authentic. He tries to dictate the future of this business but gets out hustled. He tries to protect his family only to have unforeseen economic problems. He thought his genius could save him but that currency is bankrupt. As unidentifiable as his context is to the viewers his struggles come off as common.[/quote]I think the Scarface comparison is more about the type of person Walt has and will become. Scarface was ruthless and Walt has, at times, shown that same ruthlessness.
There are a lot of differences, though. Scarface had very few, if any, likable traits. Walter, even at this point, still has moments where you empathize with him. Those moments are fewer than before, but last night was a great one. Walt thinks, for the final time, that his grand plan of setting his family up before his death has come to a crashing end.
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[quote name=cdw]Jesse’s development is true to the character that we were introduced to when it would be easy for the writers to simply use him as a plot vehicle. He reacts to Walt as hurt, prideful, loyal and empathetic.[/quote]Aaron Paul should apply for the Best Actor category. I think he’d give Cranston a run for his money. In the first 3 seasons, Cranston was the superior actor each year, but Paul got better and better. I actually think Paul has been slightly better than Cranston this year. There are two episodes left and we know a showdown with Gus is coming so maybe that changes. Am I the only one who thinks Paul has been better this season? Not that Cranston hasn’t been superb, but Paul has been outstanding.
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I think Paul has been given more RBI opportunities (This is still about motherfucking baseball!) to work with than Bryan. Bryan has done very well with his (crawl space, monolgue with the cripple, “I knock”). As much as the show has been about Walt I feel that Paul has carried this season.
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[quote name=mb21]I think the Scarface comparison is more about the type of person Walt has and will become. Scarface was ruthless and Walt has, at times, shown that same ruthlessness.
There are a lot of differences, though. Scarface had very few, if any, likable traits. Walter, even at this point, still has moments where you empathize with him. Those moments are fewer than before, but last night was a great one. Walt thinks, for the final time, that his grand plan of setting his family up before his death has come to a crashing end.[/quote]And this is why the comparisons to Scarface seem superficial and drug related to me. Though they are both aggressive and impulsive.
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Also, Jesse’s loyalty is clearly to Mike and Walt. The Mike angle could play against Gus. Mike is loyal to Gus but Jesse could turn on Gus if Jesse feels Gus doesn’t respect Mike’s life.
Or Jesse could turn on Gus if he overplays the hit on Hank? b/c it interacts with Walt. ie Gus tries to take out Walt and Hank b/c of the tip to the DEA.
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Best ending to an episode in TV history.
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[quote name=GBTS]Best ending to an episode in TV history.[/quote]TV history ended in Dallas.
/Obligatory
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[quote name=cdw]Also, Jesse’s loyalty is clearly to Mike and Walt. The Mike angle could play against Gus. Mike is loyal to Gus but Jesse could turn on Gus if Jesse feels Gus doesn’t respect Mike’s life.
Or Jesse could turn on Gus if he overplays the hit on Hank? b/c it interacts with Walt. ie Gus tries to take out Walt and Hank b/c of the tip to the DEA.[/quote]Jesse doesn’t seem to realize that Hank is watching the lab and that he will soon be seen. Yeah, Gus intends to take him out, but methinks Hank is smarter than Gus. I think Hank is the smartest character on the show.
I have a feeling that Hank closes in on Gus and that Walt takes Gus out. Somehow Hank is then going to start focusing on Walt. Just a guess.
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[quote name=GBTS]Best ending to an episode in TV history.[/quote]This season has 3 or 4 of the best endings I’ve ever seen. The first episode that Gus say nothing for nearly 10 minutes, but neatly go about changing clothes just to slit Victor’s throat. Then there was the flashback scene with Gus and his friend with the cartel followed the week after with Gus, Mike and Jesse taking them out once and for all. Then last night.
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[quote name=GBTS]Best ending to an episode in TV history.[/quote]
I’ve said that I think that scene is my favorite in TV history (post Dallas).
[quote name=cdw]Walt’s ineptness and moments of bad luck make him him seem more authentic. He tries to dictate the future of this business but gets out hustled. He tries to protect his family only to have unforeseen economic problems. He thought his genius could save him but that currency is bankrupt. As unidentifiable as his context is to the viewers his struggles come off as common.[/quote]
This is an important point about the show. It doesn’t come across as corny because of that point.
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[quote name=cdw]And this is why the comparisons to Scarface seem superficial and drug related to me. Though they are both aggressive and impulsive.[/quote]That, and the whole thing about this show being way, way better than “Scarface” (IMHO).
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No doubt, Dave. This is way better than Scarface and I loved that movie. Maybe the reason I liked it so much was that it was one of the first R rated movies I watched as a kid so I thought I was an adult. (dying laughing)
I thought it was just a good movie when I viewed it years later.
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Here’s my question: does Gus get killed in the next episode of the final episode of the season? Gus getting killed this week would be more shocking, but it seems there’s still too much for Walt to take care of before that’s possible. Killing him at the end of the season would be expected.
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This series is fantastic.. I want to know where all the money went.. Wasnt walt banking like 3.25 million a year?
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It’s only been a year, bubbles. He spent a good part of that time in the RV and he made no money and then he’s been in the super lab since. They bought the car was for just under $1 million and gave Ted $.6 million. All the money he’s made so far is gone.
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[quote name=mb21]No doubt, Dave. This is way better than Scarface and I loved that movie. Maybe the reason I liked it so much was that it was one of the first R rated movies I watched as a kid so I thought I was an adult. (dying laughing)
I thought it was just a good movie when I viewed it years later.[/quote]Yeah, I’ve never really understood the appeal, but then again, I never saw it until I was like 35 so maybe that has something to do with it (dying laughing).
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[quote name=uncle dave]Yeah, I’ve never really understood the appeal, but then again, I never saw it until I was like 35 so maybe that has something to do with it (dying laughing).[/quote]It was probably A LOT better when it first came out. There’s a lot about the movie that I’m not a big fan of after watching it later on, but Pacino isn’t one of them. He may have overplayed the role at times, which he’s prone to do, but he played that role very well. A lot of the other stuff in the movie has been done better since, but I do think you’ll find a lot of writers in that genre who think it’s a classic movie.
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[quote name=mb21]It was probably A LOT better when it first came out. There’s a lot about the movie that I’m not a big fan of after watching it later on, but Pacino isn’t one of them. He may have overplayed the role at times, which he’s prone to do, but he played that role very well. A lot of the other stuff in the movie has been done better since, but I do think you’ll find a lot of writers in that genre who think it’s a classic movie.[/quote]I’m not sure how you can overplay a scene where you fire a grenade launcher indoors while delivering a line like “SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND!” What more can an actor do to take that over the top? I think the real danger is underplaying it, like Charles Bronson did in Death Wish III.
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Prediction:
Walt only has enough to disappear three. He sends his family off and stays behind, and to save his life the season ends with Walt confessing to Hank that he is Heisenberg.
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[quote name=GBTS]Prediction:
Walt only has enough to disappear three. He sends his family off and stays behind, and to save his life the season ends with Walt confessing to Hank that he is Heisenberg.[/quote]This is a really strong possibility I think. I think it would be a great cliffhanger for the next season.
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[quote name=GBTS]Prediction:
Walt only has enough to disappear three. He sends his family off and stays behind, and to save his life the season ends with Walt confessing to Hank that he is Heisenberg.[/quote]Bold. I like your style…
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