Jesse was awesome last night in that 12-step meeting. Walt’s opening scene was funny as hell. Hank stole the show last night. Great to see him back at the office.
[quote name=mb21]Jesse was awesome last night in that 12-step meeting. Walt’s opening scene was funny as hell. Hank stole the show last night. Great to see him back at the office.[/quote] Great episode. Aaron Paul might have won himself another Emmy with that speech.
Does anyone else think the subject of Gus’ meeting was Walt? I’m thinking that Gus is protecting Walt from the cartel while Walt is trying to kill Gus before Hank gets him.
[quote name=Dr. Aneus Taint]Does anyone else think the subject of Gus’ meeting was Walt? I’m thinking that Gus is protecting Walt from the cartel while Walt is trying to kill Gus before Hank gets him.[/quote]I think the cartel wants Walt to make the blue meth and Gus wants to kill him and keep Jesse.
You may have been right about Jesse killing Gus. I still think it’s Walt and I think he somehow figures out a way to get Mike on his side.
[quote name=Dr. Aneus Taint]Great episode. Aaron Paul might have won himself another Emmy with that speech.[/quote]I was thinking the same thing, but then Hank back at the FBI office was perfect. If Hank plays a bigger part of the last half of the season as we expect and continues to be a strong actor, I think he has a chance.
I just finished reading Sepinwall’s review of the episode and he again brings up that we didn’t know whether or not Gale was killed in the finale last year. Before I started reading about people not knowing one way or another, I didn’t think there was any question about whether or not Jesse killed Gale. Even Gilligan has said there shouldn’t have been any questions. I thought it was obvious. Why didn’t others?
[quote name=mb21]I was thinking the same thing, but then Hank back at the FBI office was perfect. If Hank plays a bigger part of the last half of the season as we expect and continues to be a strong actor, I think he has a chance.[/quote] The thing I love about the Hank character is that he’s so much of a dickhead that you forget how good he is at his job.
[quote name=mb21]I think the cartel wants Walt to make the blue meth and Gus wants to kill him and keep Jesse.
You may have been right about Jesse killing Gus. I still think it’s Walt and I think he somehow figures out a way to get Mike on his side.[/quote] That seemed to be the way the story arc was trending, but this is still a show about Walt. That said, I’m starting to think Walt and Jesse are turning into the new Gus and Mike.
[quote name=Dr. Aneus Taint]The thing I love about the Hank character is that he’s so much of a dickhead that you forget how good he is at his job.[/quote]He seemed even better at his job after the accident. No showboating whatsoever in his presentation. Great scene. Walt has a very smart guy trying to kill him and another smart guy trying to arrest him.
[quote name=Dr. Aneus Taint]That seemed to be the way the story arc was trending, but this is still a show about Walt. That said, I’m starting to think Walt and Jesse are turning into the new Gus and Mike.[/quote]I think what we end up seeing is Walt and Jesse and Mike remains on in the same role he’s been in.
I was glad to see Saul last night. They need more scenes for him.
[quote name=mb21]So how do you think the second half of the season goes?[/quote] I think Hank closes in on Gus and starts to look into Jesse again. I think Gus starts to leave breadcrumbs that point to Walt.
I think we find out the cartel wants Walt. Not sure if it’s because they want his product or because they want him dead.
I think Walt starts to question Jesse’s loyalty.
And I think this all points to an explosive finale.
I was a bit surprised to see Walt flatly admit that he didn’t see a way out of his situation. To me, that shifts his personality profile quite a bit — from being delusional and out of control to simply cold and calculating — and I think that it sets him up nicely to do some very, very big things as this season winds down.
I really liked this episode as well. If Aaron Paul doesn’t get major burn as a result of his work here, Hollywood is in even worse shape than it appears.
Good point about Hank looking into Jesse again. If Hank starts to investigate Gus more closely he may see Jesse with him at some point as he’s been hanging around Mike. I actually think that’s likely.
Thinking about it more, I’d assume the cartel wants him dead. He was responsible for Tuco’s death and Hank killed the cousins.
Dave, we saw a different Walt last night. He was as delusional as he’d been this year and much of last year. The car scene made me laugh. He didn’t seem to care too much about any of it when talking with Saul about it either.
The interesting thing about Hank looking into Jesse again, imo, is will Walt throw Jesse under the bus if he questions his loyalty. We’ve seen that Walt will lash out at anyone if he’s cornered, so that could set up an interesting choice later on.
I think the cartel wants him dead, but they’d accept him working for them on the cheap. Gus being pissed off that he has to keep Walt around after he and Jesse killed Gale would make more sense if he’s protecting Walt that way.
The more I think about it, the more I think we see Walt and Jesse assume the roles of Gus and Mike in the series finale. I think the entire series has been about “normal” people making morally-questionable choices and the consequences. I think the series would be even more interesting if it ended up being a story about how “good” people can end up breaking bad.
[quote name=Dr. Aneus Taint]The more I think about it, the more I think we see Walt and Jesse assume the roles of Gus and Mike in the series finale. I think the entire series has been about “normal” people making morally-questionable choices and the consequences. I think the series would be even more interesting if it ended up being a story about how “good” people can end up breaking bad.[/quote] By this, I mean the story being cyclical on a macro level.
I think Walt will do a lot of things to save his ass, but I’m not sure he’ll sell Jesse out. In a very weird way, Walt feels as though he’s a father figure to Jesse.
[quote name=mb21]I think Walt will do a lot of things to save his ass, but I’m not sure he’ll sell Jesse out. In a very weird way, Walt feels as though he’s a father figure to Jesse.[/quote] I think so too, but what does Walt do if he has to choose between his family and Jesse? Hank/Gus/the cartel might put him in that position soon.
[quote name=Dr. Aneus Taint]I think so too, but what does Walt do if he has to choose between his family and Jesse? Hank/Gus/the cartel might put him in that position soon.[/quote]I don’t know. I think as shitty as Walt treats Jesse that he thinks of him as part of his family. If it’s one or the other then he gives up Jesse, but as smart as Walt is I’m guessing he figures something else out.
I don’t see how the series ends without Walt’s death. I think Gilligan even said that, didn’t he? He said something like this when the series was renewed for 20 more episodes: I’d hate to know the date of my own death, but I’m glad to know Walter White’s.
I just hope Gilligan doesn’t take the easy way out and have cancer kill him. My guess is that Hank does it. I don’t see Gus surviving past this season.
[quote name=mb21]I just hope Gilligan doesn’t take the easy way out and have cancer kill him. My guess is that Hank does it. I don’t see Gus surviving past this season.[/quote] I can’t see cancer being a factor with Walt.
[quote name=mb21]Dave, we saw a different Walt last night. He was as delusional as he’d been this year and much of last year. The car scene made me laugh. He didn’t seem to care too much about any of it when talking with Saul about it either.[/quote] I took that to be more resignation than delusion, especially after the conversation he had with Saul. He also seemed more or less unconcerned about laundering the money he gave to Skyler, which points to a more fatalistic point of view. That does put an interesting angle on his continuing desire to manipulate Jesse and kill Gus, though.
My money is on the cartel wanting Walt dead, which adds a layer of complexity to Gus’ role as Walt’s protector. It’s gonna be a fun few weeks.
I recently read where Sepinwall said that Jesse’s decision to side with Gus would be an easy one if he knew about Jane, but I don’t buy that. I never have. Walt saved Jesse’s life by allowing Jane to die. It’s not like Walt deserves a gold star or an attaboy for his actions, but he did save Jesse’s life. With a bag full of cash, neither of them would have lived for another week and Walt knew that. I think he even alluded to it in last conversation with Jesse before Jane closed the door on him.
Any addict knows that the addiction and what happens as a result are his/her fault. There may be ciricumstances in which society deserves some blame, but the actions themselves are the fault of no one other than the addict. Jesse isn’t to blame for Jane’s death and neither is Walt, though Jesse bears a larger responsibility for that death than does Walt. He’s the one that got her using again. He’s the one who had the money to buy all the drugs they needed.
Maybe Jesse would be upset at first if he found out, but it’s hard for me to believe that long term he’d blame anyone other than himself and Jane for that death.
So I disagree with the argument that Jesse’s decision would be easier if he knew about that.
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Jesse was awesome last night in that 12-step meeting. Walt’s opening scene was funny as hell. Hank stole the show last night. Great to see him back at the office.
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[quote name=mb21]Jesse was awesome last night in that 12-step meeting. Walt’s opening scene was funny as hell. Hank stole the show last night. Great to see him back at the office.[/quote]
Great episode. Aaron Paul might have won himself another Emmy with that speech.
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Does anyone else think the subject of Gus’ meeting was Walt? I’m thinking that Gus is protecting Walt from the cartel while Walt is trying to kill Gus before Hank gets him.
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[quote name=Dr. Aneus Taint]Does anyone else think the subject of Gus’ meeting was Walt? I’m thinking that Gus is protecting Walt from the cartel while Walt is trying to kill Gus before Hank gets him.[/quote]I think the cartel wants Walt to make the blue meth and Gus wants to kill him and keep Jesse.
You may have been right about Jesse killing Gus. I still think it’s Walt and I think he somehow figures out a way to get Mike on his side.
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[quote name=Dr. Aneus Taint]Great episode. Aaron Paul might have won himself another Emmy with that speech.[/quote]I was thinking the same thing, but then Hank back at the FBI office was perfect. If Hank plays a bigger part of the last half of the season as we expect and continues to be a strong actor, I think he has a chance.
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I just finished reading Sepinwall’s review of the episode and he again brings up that we didn’t know whether or not Gale was killed in the finale last year. Before I started reading about people not knowing one way or another, I didn’t think there was any question about whether or not Jesse killed Gale. Even Gilligan has said there shouldn’t have been any questions. I thought it was obvious. Why didn’t others?
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[quote name=mb21]I was thinking the same thing, but then Hank back at the FBI office was perfect. If Hank plays a bigger part of the last half of the season as we expect and continues to be a strong actor, I think he has a chance.[/quote]
The thing I love about the Hank character is that he’s so much of a dickhead that you forget how good he is at his job.
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[quote name=mb21]I think the cartel wants Walt to make the blue meth and Gus wants to kill him and keep Jesse.
You may have been right about Jesse killing Gus. I still think it’s Walt and I think he somehow figures out a way to get Mike on his side.[/quote]
That seemed to be the way the story arc was trending, but this is still a show about Walt. That said, I’m starting to think Walt and Jesse are turning into the new Gus and Mike.
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[quote name=Dr. Aneus Taint]The thing I love about the Hank character is that he’s so much of a dickhead that you forget how good he is at his job.[/quote]He seemed even better at his job after the accident. No showboating whatsoever in his presentation. Great scene. Walt has a very smart guy trying to kill him and another smart guy trying to arrest him.
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[quote name=Dr. Aneus Taint]That seemed to be the way the story arc was trending, but this is still a show about Walt. That said, I’m starting to think Walt and Jesse are turning into the new Gus and Mike.[/quote]I think what we end up seeing is Walt and Jesse and Mike remains on in the same role he’s been in.
I was glad to see Saul last night. They need more scenes for him.
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So how do you think the second half of the season goes?
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[quote name=mb21]So how do you think the second half of the season goes?[/quote]
I think Hank closes in on Gus and starts to look into Jesse again. I think Gus starts to leave breadcrumbs that point to Walt.
I think we find out the cartel wants Walt. Not sure if it’s because they want his product or because they want him dead.
I think Walt starts to question Jesse’s loyalty.
And I think this all points to an explosive finale.
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I was a bit surprised to see Walt flatly admit that he didn’t see a way out of his situation. To me, that shifts his personality profile quite a bit — from being delusional and out of control to simply cold and calculating — and I think that it sets him up nicely to do some very, very big things as this season winds down.
I really liked this episode as well. If Aaron Paul doesn’t get major burn as a result of his work here, Hollywood is in even worse shape than it appears.
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Good point about Hank looking into Jesse again. If Hank starts to investigate Gus more closely he may see Jesse with him at some point as he’s been hanging around Mike. I actually think that’s likely.
Thinking about it more, I’d assume the cartel wants him dead. He was responsible for Tuco’s death and Hank killed the cousins.
Dave, we saw a different Walt last night. He was as delusional as he’d been this year and much of last year. The car scene made me laugh. He didn’t seem to care too much about any of it when talking with Saul about it either.
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The interesting thing about Hank looking into Jesse again, imo, is will Walt throw Jesse under the bus if he questions his loyalty. We’ve seen that Walt will lash out at anyone if he’s cornered, so that could set up an interesting choice later on.
I think the cartel wants him dead, but they’d accept him working for them on the cheap. Gus being pissed off that he has to keep Walt around after he and Jesse killed Gale would make more sense if he’s protecting Walt that way.
The more I think about it, the more I think we see Walt and Jesse assume the roles of Gus and Mike in the series finale. I think the entire series has been about “normal” people making morally-questionable choices and the consequences. I think the series would be even more interesting if it ended up being a story about how “good” people can end up breaking bad.
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Watch this again.
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[quote name=Dr. Aneus Taint]The more I think about it, the more I think we see Walt and Jesse assume the roles of Gus and Mike in the series finale. I think the entire series has been about “normal” people making morally-questionable choices and the consequences. I think the series would be even more interesting if it ended up being a story about how “good” people can end up breaking bad.[/quote]
By this, I mean the story being cyclical on a macro level.
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I think Walt will do a lot of things to save his ass, but I’m not sure he’ll sell Jesse out. In a very weird way, Walt feels as though he’s a father figure to Jesse.
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[quote name=mb21]I think Walt will do a lot of things to save his ass, but I’m not sure he’ll sell Jesse out. In a very weird way, Walt feels as though he’s a father figure to Jesse.[/quote]
I think so too, but what does Walt do if he has to choose between his family and Jesse? Hank/Gus/the cartel might put him in that position soon.
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[quote name=Dr. Aneus Taint]I think so too, but what does Walt do if he has to choose between his family and Jesse? Hank/Gus/the cartel might put him in that position soon.[/quote]I don’t know. I think as shitty as Walt treats Jesse that he thinks of him as part of his family. If it’s one or the other then he gives up Jesse, but as smart as Walt is I’m guessing he figures something else out.
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I think so too. I could see this season’s finale being about Walt having to make such a choice or “something else.”
And I really think the series finale either has Walt dying — not (dying laughing) — or him and Jesse realizing they’re the new Gus and Mike.
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I don’t see how the series ends without Walt’s death. I think Gilligan even said that, didn’t he? He said something like this when the series was renewed for 20 more episodes: I’d hate to know the date of my own death, but I’m glad to know Walter White’s.
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There is a certain irony about the meth business causing Walt’s death.
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I just hope Gilligan doesn’t take the easy way out and have cancer kill him. My guess is that Hank does it. I don’t see Gus surviving past this season.
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[quote name=mb21]I just hope Gilligan doesn’t take the easy way out and have cancer kill him. My guess is that Hank does it. I don’t see Gus surviving past this season.[/quote]
I can’t see cancer being a factor with Walt.
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I’d really like to watch the NA scene again, but I can’t seem to find it.
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[quote name=Dr. Aneus Taint]Watch this again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0bJyr_67PA%5B/quote%5DDude sitting next to me on the plane the other day was watching that episode.
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[quote name=mb21]Dave, we saw a different Walt last night. He was as delusional as he’d been this year and much of last year. The car scene made me laugh. He didn’t seem to care too much about any of it when talking with Saul about it either.[/quote]
I took that to be more resignation than delusion, especially after the conversation he had with Saul. He also seemed more or less unconcerned about laundering the money he gave to Skyler, which points to a more fatalistic point of view. That does put an interesting angle on his continuing desire to manipulate Jesse and kill Gus, though.
My money is on the cartel wanting Walt dead, which adds a layer of complexity to Gus’ role as Walt’s protector. It’s gonna be a fun few weeks.
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Oops, that was supposed to say he was NOT as delusional… (dying laughing)
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Yeah, I probably coulda read a bit more carefully and figured that out (dying laughing).
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I recently read where Sepinwall said that Jesse’s decision to side with Gus would be an easy one if he knew about Jane, but I don’t buy that. I never have. Walt saved Jesse’s life by allowing Jane to die. It’s not like Walt deserves a gold star or an attaboy for his actions, but he did save Jesse’s life. With a bag full of cash, neither of them would have lived for another week and Walt knew that. I think he even alluded to it in last conversation with Jesse before Jane closed the door on him.
Any addict knows that the addiction and what happens as a result are his/her fault. There may be ciricumstances in which society deserves some blame, but the actions themselves are the fault of no one other than the addict. Jesse isn’t to blame for Jane’s death and neither is Walt, though Jesse bears a larger responsibility for that death than does Walt. He’s the one that got her using again. He’s the one who had the money to buy all the drugs they needed.
Maybe Jesse would be upset at first if he found out, but it’s hard for me to believe that long term he’d blame anyone other than himself and Jane for that death.
So I disagree with the argument that Jesse’s decision would be easier if he knew about that.
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