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  1. Berselius

    (dying laughing) at the pizza in this episode. I’m guessing there were complaints about the roof pizza not splitting up when Walt threw it up there. Isn’t that pizza from the same place?

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  2. mb21

    Shit is getting fucked up for Walt. (dying laughing)

    Looks like it’s going to be Walt that gets Mike to be on his side. I was thinking it would be Saul, which it still could be, but Mike is as worried as Walt is.

    I was thinking after Walt got out of his car at Gus’s house that it was unbelievable that nobody would be watching. Glad to see that he couldn’t just walk up to his house and do something that was “strictly self defense.”

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  3. Berselius

    I love how this show is unpredictable enough that I could actually believe that Walt could kill Gus in this episode.

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  4. mb21

    [quote name=Berselius]I love how this show is unpredictable enough that I could actually believe that Walt could kill Gus in this episode.[/quote]I didn’t believe it, but that was based on an interview I read with Esposito and some of the other actors. Walt has to get Mike on his side. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Walt set something up for Mike to make him fear Gus even more. We still haven’t seen the cartel this season and that’s another avenue for Walt to pursue and maybe he reaches out to them and then gets Mike to help him.

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  5. Dr. Aneus Taint

    Jesse’s afraid to be alone in his head. I think I’m more intrigued by Jesse this season than any other character.

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  6. Berselius

    [quote name=Jame Gumb]Jesse’s afraid to be alone in his head. I think I’m more intrigued by Jesse this season than any other character.[/quote]
    Same here

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  7. Dr. Aneus Taint

    [quote name=Berselius]Same here[/quote]
    In fact, I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see Jesse kill Gus at the end of the season. And in a way that shocks Walt.

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  8. mb21

    I think Gus contacts Jesse and tries to turn him against Walt. Maybe he’s the new guy he’s looking for to replace Walt. Jesse’s much more comfortable with the situation than Walt.

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  9. Dr. Aneus Taint

    [quote name=mb21]I think Gus contacts Jesse and tries to turn him against Walt. Maybe he’s the new guy he’s looking for to replace Walt. Jesse’s much more comfortable with the situation than Walt.[/quote]
    And then Jesse turns around and kills Gus, yo!

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  10. Berselius

    [quote name=mb21]I think Gus contacts Jesse and tries to turn him against Walt. Maybe he’s the new guy he’s looking for to replace Walt. Jesse’s much more comfortable with the situation than Walt.[/quote]
    That would certainly make things interesting. Especially if Walt flips Mike only to find that Jesse is working for Gus now.

    We need the cartel to work its way into the situation soon. If Walt offs Gus who the hell is going to buy their product?

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  11. Berselius

    [quote name=Jame Gumb]

    FOR WALTER WHITE, 20 MILLION DOLLAR![/quote]
    It’s extremely jarring to see Walt with hair at this point (dying laughing)

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  12. Berselius

    [quote name=mb21]I think Gus contacts Jesse and tries to turn him against Walt. Maybe he’s the new guy he’s looking for to replace Walt. Jesse’s much more comfortable with the situation than Walt.[/quote]
    Though on the other hand, Jesse is much more of a mess and was the reason for the rift with Walt in the first place. Or several places, if you treat his drug problems and his beef with the dealers who killed Combo separately.

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  13. mb21

    [quote name=Jame Gumb]And then Jesse turns around and kills Gus, yo![/quote]Wrong.

    Bitch.

    Walt kills Gus or Gus sticks around and ends up killing Walt at the end of next season when the show ends.

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  14. mb21

    [quote name=Berselius]That would certainly make things interesting. Especially if Walt flips Mike only to find that Jesse is working for Gus now.

    We need the cartel to work its way into the situation soon. If Walt offs Gus who the hell is going to buy their product?[/quote]One of the things Esposito said in the interview is that Gus now views Jesse as the future of the lab. I think they have it set up pretty well at this point. Jesse is obviously fucked up right now, but when it comes to the lab he’s much more the professional than Walt is. Walt is constantly planning his next move while Jesse is just cooking seemingly assured of what he said at the end of the first episode this season: there isn’t anybody else to take over the lab.

    So when it was asked last week why Gus didn’t just kill Jesse, that’s why. Gus needs Jesse more than Gus needs Walt.

    This won’t be the last of the cat and mouse game that this season is. Walt will get the upperhand at some point, but without the cartel and Mike along for the ride, Walt can’t do much but talk tough.

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  15. Dr. Aneus Taint

    [quote name=Berselius]That would certainly make things interesting. Especially if Walt flips Mike only to find that Jesse is working for Nolasco now. [/quote].

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  16. mb21

    [quote name=Berselius]Though on the other hand, Jesse is much more of a mess and was the reason for the rift with Walt in the first place. Or several places, if you treat his drug problems and his beef with the dealers who killed Combo separately.[/quote]Jesse’s personal life is fucked up and it’s always going to be. That’s who he is. When things are going well he finds a way to fuck it up. But he’s never been more professional when it comes to cooking meth than he appears to be right now. it’s all business to him whereas with Walt it’s personal.

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  17. Dr. Aneus Taint

    [quote name=mb21]Walt kills Gus or Gus sticks around and ends up killing Walt at the end of next season when the show ends.[/quote]
    I truly think Gus turns Jesse against Walt. And then Gus orders Jesse to kill Walt, Jesse balks and turns on Gus.

    That and President Logan is the bad guy.

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  18. Dr. Aneus Taint

    [quote name=Berselius]Felix Pie and Matt Cain are his enforcers.[/quote]
    And Walter Jr. is Deep Goat.

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  19. Berselius

    [quote name=mb21]Jesse’s personal life is fucked up and it’s always going to be. That’s who he is. When things are going well he finds a way to fuck it up. But he’s never been more professional when it comes to cooking meth than he appears to be right now. it’s all business to him whereas with Walt it’s personal.[/quote]
    That’s true MB, and I think that Jesse is a preferable cook to Walt at this point for the reasons you state but both of them are really unacceptable to Gus. I guess he doesn’t have a choice though as Jesse pointed out in the first episode.

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  20. mb21

    [quote name=Berselius]That would certainly make things interesting. Especially if Walt flips Mike only to find that Jesse is working for Gus now.

    We need the cartel to work its way into the situation soon. If Walt offs Gus who the hell is going to buy their product?[/quote]I don’t see Gus going anywhere soon. Not only is it going to be too difficult for Walt to kill him and then take over the business, Gus is awesome character. That 10 minute scene with him last week probably saved his life until at least the end of the final season (next year). I think there are 3 people who aren’t dying anytime soon in this show: Walt, Jesse and Gus. I have a feeling that when the show ends it will be Jesse standing and that’s funny because he was originally supposed to die after the first 3 episodes of the series.

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  21. Berselius

    [quote name=Jame Gumb]And Walter Jr. is Deep Goat.[/quote]
    [quote name=mb21]I don’t see Gus going anywhere soon. Not only is it going to be too difficult for Walt to kill him and then take over the business, Gus is awesome character. That 10 minute scene with him last week probably saved his life until at least the end of the final season (next year). I think there are 3 people who aren’t dying anytime soon in this show: Walt, Jesse and Gus. I have a feeling that when the show ends it will be Jesse standing and that’s funny because he was originally supposed to die after the first 3 episodes of the series.[/quote]
    Then Walter Jr. kills Jesse and becomes the drug kingpin of the southwest

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  22. mb21

    [quote name=Berselius]That’s true MB, and I think that Jesse is a preferable cook to Walt at this point for the reasons you state but both of them are really unacceptable to Gus. I guess he doesn’t have a choice though as Jesse pointed out in the first episode.[/quote]Yeah, that’s the thing, Production can’t stop and there isn’t anybody else that Gus trusts even a little to run the lab. He also has something over Jesse now: Gale’s murder. Jesse even said that life is going to miserable, but that he’s on the same page with him.

    Ryno, I think Hank kills Walt in the end.

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  23. mb21

    [quote name=Berselius]Then Walter Jr. kills Jesse and becomes the drug kingpin of the southwest[/quote]I could see Jr. being the one who ends up killing Walt. The number of people that want Walt dead just increases by the hour. The fact he’s still alive is remarkable. The man is completely clueless when it comes to dealing meth and even when he finds himself in a good situation, he completely fucks it up. As much of a fuck up as Jesse is, Walt is every bit the fuck up.

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  24. Dr. Aneus Taint

    [quote name=mb21]I don’t see Gus going anywhere soon. Not only is it going to be too difficult for Walt to kill him and then take over the business[/quote]
    See, this is where I disagree. Gus pretty much only has Mike (and the black fella /Beau Bridges) protecting him (as far as we know) since he turned his back on the cartel. If Walt can turn Mike, I think it would be relatively easy to off Gus and usurp the business.

    The problem, as someone mentioned, would be how Walt moved the product without Gus’ or the cartel’s connections.

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  25. mb21

    [quote name=Jame Gumb]See, this is where I disagree. Gus pretty much only has Mike (and the black fella /Beau Bridges) protecting him (as far as we know) since he turned his back on the cartel. If Walt can turn Mike, I think it would be relatively easy to off Gus and usurp the business.

    The problem, as someone mentioned, would be how Walt moved the product without Gus’ or the cartel’s connections.[/quote]Gus is a lot smarter than Walt and he’s not nearly the fuck up either. Even if Walt got Mike on his side and the cartel, do you really think he wouldn’t fuck it up? He’d fuck up killing Gus, end up killing Mike and piss off the cartel while somehow telling Jesse that he watched Jane die. He’d do this all while he’s fucking his wife’s sister while Hank lays crippled in the other room and Walter Jr. lies dying in the living room.

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  26. Berselius

    [quote name=Jame Gumb]See, this is where I disagree. Gus pretty much only has Mike (and the black fella /Beau Bridges) protecting him (as far as we know) since he turned his back on the cartel. If Walt can turn Mike, I think it would be relatively easy to off Gus and usurp the business.

    The problem, as someone mentioned, would be how Walt moved the product without Gus’ or the cartel’s connections.[/quote]
    I don’t think we can assume that the people we’ve seen represent all of Gus’s organization. It’s pretty clear that Gus is a sharp operator who knows about compartmentalizing his business dealings. You’d think it takes more than 2-3 lieutenants to run an operation as huge as Gus runs.

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  27. Berselius

    [quote name=mb21]Gus is a lot smarter than Walt and he’s not nearly the fuck up either. Even if Walt got Mike on his side and the cartel, do you really think he wouldn’t fuck it up? He’d fuck up killing Gus, end up killing Mike and piss off the cartel while somehow telling Jesse that he watched Jane die. He’d do this all while he’s fucking his wife’s sister while Hank lays crippled in the other room and Walter Jr. lies dying in the living room, while giving directions to his meth lab to Skyler over a tapped cell phone [/quote]
    .

    (dying laughing)

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  28. Dr. Aneus Taint

    [quote name=Berselius]I don’t think we can assume that the people we’ve seen represent all of Gus’s organization. It’s pretty clear that Gus is a sharp operator who knows about compartmentalizing his business dealings. You’d think it takes more than 2-3 lieutenants to run an operation as huge as Gus runs.[/quote]
    I don’t think it does, but I’m sure a lot of Gus’ organization was loyal to the cartel. At least, it seems like that would be rational to assume.

    I do know that Gus has pissed off the cartel, and I think he’s going to be killed soon.

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  29. Berselius

    [quote name=Jame Gumb]I don’t think it does, but I’m sure a lot of Gus’ organization was loyal to the cartel. At least, it seems like that would be rational to assume.

    I do know that Gus has pissed off the cartel, and I think he’s going to be killed soon.[/quote]
    I don’t think Gus would have given the finger to the cartel unless he had the muscle to defend himself.

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  30. mb21

    [quote name=Berselius]I don’t think we can assume that the people we’ve seen represent all of Gus’s organization. It’s pretty clear that Gus is a sharp operator who knows about compartmentalizing his business dealings. You’d think it takes more than 2-3 lieutenants to run an operation as huge as Gus runs.[/quote]I agree. There’s a reason Mike is so fucking scared right now and it’s not just Gus. He could take Gus out at any moment if he wanted, but something is holding him back. Right now anyway.

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  31. Dr. Aneus Taint

    I think Walt is a lot smarter than you give him credit for, mb. He’s definitely out of his element, which is the majority of the humor of this show, but he’s pretty fucking smart.

    Besides, I think Jesse is the wildcard anyway.

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  32. Dr. Aneus Taint

    [quote name=Berselius]I don’t think Gus would have given the finger to the cartel unless he had the muscle to defend himself.[/quote]
    I wouldn’t think so either, but I have to believe the cartel is more powerful than Gus. If that’s the case, most of (if not all of) their mutual connections would align with the cartel.

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  33. Dr. Aneus Taint

    [quote name=mb21]I agree. There’s a reason Mike is so fucking scared right now and it’s not just Gus. He could take Gus out at any moment if he wanted, but something is holding him back. Right now anyway.[/quote]
    Mike’s not scared, he’s just distracted. See, he killed a guy outside a Detroit cop’s apartment a long time ago…

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  34. mb21

    I think he’s very smart, Ryno, but smart people are sometimes fuck ups. Everything to Walt is personal. Early on there was a reason for that, but once it became business Walt needed to change his mentality, but did not. He still hasn’t and will not ever do it.

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  35. Berselius

    [quote name=mb21]I think he’s very smart, Ryno, but smart people are sometimes fuck ups. Everything to Walt is personal. Early on there was a reason for that, but once it became business Walt needed to change his mentality, but did not. He still hasn’t and will not ever do it.[/quote]
    He’s a mom and pop hardware store owner in a Home Depot world (dying laughing)

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  36. Dr. Aneus Taint

    [quote name=mb21]I think he’s very smart, Ryno, but smart people are sometimes fuck ups. Everything to Walt is personal. Early on there was a reason for that, but once it became business Walt needed to change his mentality, but did not. He still hasn’t and will not ever do it.[/quote]
    Oh, I know that…

    I look at it like this: Walt went from lame teacher to outplaying Gus in three seasons. That might have been because Gus underestimated Walt, but Walt/Jesse beat Gus at the end of last season. And they’re learning how to play the game.

    I know Gus one upped them in the premiere, but I think they can come up with a way to stay on top and execute it.

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  37. mb21

    I think they can and they will, but I don’t think it happens this season. It could happen, I suppose, in the final episode, but my guess is that Gus sticks around until the show is almost done.

    I also think the easiest person to turn against anyone is Jesse. All Gus has to say to Jesse is this: remember how awesome your life was before you met Walt?

    If he says something like that and that he can protect him far better than Walt can, Jesse is turned. I expect we’ll see Jesse and Gus together a lot this season as Gus prepares to have Jesse take over the lab.

    That could create something interesting as well. Would Walt then kill Jesse? Remember what Walt told Gus to convince him to work with him? That Jesse does whatever he tells him to do. If that stops, what use does Walt have for Jesse?

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  38. Dr. Aneus Taint

    [quote name=mb21]I think they can and they will, but I don’t think it happens this season. It could happen, I suppose, in the final episode, but my guess is that Gus sticks around until the show is almost done.

    I also think the easiest person to turn against anyone is Jesse. All Gus has to say to Jesse is this: remember how awesome your life was before you met Walt?

    If he says something like that and that he can protect him far better than Walt can, Jesse is turned. I expect we’ll see Jesse and Gus together a lot this season as Gus prepares to have Jesse take over the lab.

    That could create something interesting as well. Would Walt then kill Jesse? Remember what Walt told Gus to convince him to work with him? That Jesse does whatever he tells him to do. If that stops, what use does Walt have for Jesse?[/quote]
    I don’t think Walt would kill Jesse unless it became a “Jesse or me” scenario. I think Walt’s and Jesse’s bond is stronger than a lot of people think.

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  39. Bromine Barium

    [quote name=Berselius]Then Walter Jr. kills Jesse and becomes the drug kingpin of the southwest[/quote]
    The easiest drug kingpin to topple that has ever existed.

    /low hanging fruit

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