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OSS: All the double plays!

Three up:

  1. The Cubs defense turned seven double plays in this one, which tied a MLB record, including one to end the game. Six were on the ground, and the Cubs also got a lineout DP to end the eighth. They have an okay defense this year, I guess. It must have been stupid frustrating for the Pirates.
  2. Cole Hamels had another great start, giving the Cubs seven shutout innings (and inducing five DPs). He allowed five hits and two walks, though only struck out 3 this time around. His updated line as a Cub is 4 GS, 25 IP, 16 H, 3 R, 2 ER, 6 BB, 23 SO, good for an ERA of 0.72.
  3. Kyle Schwarber was the one providing all of the offense today, hitting a solo shot to RF that would be all the Cubs needed.

Three down:

  1. It would have been a two-run shot if Rizzo weren’t doubled off of first on a Baez liner one batter before War Bear’s HR.
  2. The Cubs were adventurous on the basepaths today and that wasn’t the only TOOTBLAN. Happ was thrown out trying to steal third base in the eighth inning.
  3. The Pirates gave the Cubs plenty of opportunities to score, adding three fielding errors on top of the Cubs six hits and three walks but they could never really get things going. Something tells me they will need more than one run to win on Saturday.

Next up: Tyler Chatwood fills in for Monty. He will face Joe Musgrove at 6:05 PM CT. Something tells me this will not be the third straight 1-0 game, though I would not be surprised to see a line like 4 IP, 1 R, 7 BB, 5 K for Chatwood.

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  1. BVS

    4 IP, 1 R, 7 BB, 5 K

    Don’t think Chat gets away with 1R tomorrow if the Pirates draw 7BB. Something tells me they won’t need a hitters’ meeting to be ready to go.

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  4. Rizzo the Rat

    I think it would be funny if the Cubs scored all their runs in this series on four solo homers and still swept.

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  5. dmick89

    Rizzo the Rat,

    Who was the pitcher who threw a no hitter with the Dbacks while walking 8 batters? Was it Edwin Jackson? I think that’s about the only way Chatwood manages to get out of the game without a run scoring and even then it’s unlikely he’d hold them scoreless.

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  7. dmick89

    149 pitches for Edwin Jackson in that no hitter. I knew it was in the 140s, but that’s crazy and it’s not like it was three decades ago. It happened in 2010.

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    berselius

    Rizzo the Rat:
    Greg Maddux threw 167 pitches on May 17, 1988. That explains why he was so injury-prone later on.

    That must have been a long Maddux game, it might have even gone two hours.

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  27. BVS

    May be gauche to post during the game, but here goes:

    To the tune of Joy to the World.

    Joy to the world
    Barney’s dead
    And we barbecued his head
    Don’t worry bout the body
    We flushed it down the pody
    Around and round it goes,
    And around and it goes,
    And round and round and round it goes.

    …My 6th grader and her friends

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  34. BVS

    andcounting,

    First inning, Joe says to Javy, under no circumstances are you to swing. La Stella at 3rd. Everyone knows not to throw a pitch in the zone. 3 straight balls each about 1 ft off plate. Ball four bounces away, Javy walks to first but because Pirates are distracted with LaStella scoring, he continues on to 2nd. Taillon throws wild to 2nd and the race is on…

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  52. dmick89

    So I assume Darvish is finally going to have surgery and now miss all of next season. I was hoping they’d sign Darvish over Arrieta, but I was way off on that one.

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  56. dmick89

    Perkins:
    Hell, just let Duane Underwood would probably be better than Chatwood for the rest of the season.

    I’m fine with that. Even if he isn’t, you can at least argue it’s part of getting him ready to pitch at this level. Best argument for Chatwood being on an MLB roster is that someone was foolish enough to pay him ten time what he should have been paid.

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  80. Perkins

    For all that’s gone wrong with the Cubs, it’s kind of crazy that they’re still the best team in the NL.

    I’d really hate to be a Nats fan right now. Have to believe Dave Martinez won’t get another shot at managing, whether or not that’s fair.

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  84. BVS

    Remember in 16 the Cubs were good at running up the count and tiring out pitching staffs. This team doesn’t do that. Seems like the worst offenders are also the ones regressing most…Contreras, Happ, Russell.

    Not sure how much to credit or blame hitting coaches, but while Heyward, Almora and Schwarber have improved some, the guys above have definitely not, despite youth.

    Yes, I know I’m being a restless native.

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  90. andcounting

    dmick89:
    Contreras obviously blocked the plate.

    FWIW, he didn’t block him until he had the ball. I’m sure that’s why he was ruled out.

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  118. BVS

    EnricoPallazzo,

    dmick89,

    Now that Darvish is out for season, I assume

    Other options
    Underwood
    Bass
    Farrell
    Chavez
    DelaRosa
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    Caratini
    LaStella
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    Chatwood

    I’d probably pick either Chavez or dela Rosa depending on who we play on that turn on the rotation and how that team does vs L or RHP.

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  119. andcounting

    The Hamels trade seemed like a yawner at the time, but it could end up having significant playoff implications.

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  120. andcounting

    And as frustrating as the offense was this weekend, it was really good to see Q pitch as well as he did today. I’m actually not super discouraged about the outlook overall.

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  121. dmick89

    andcounting,

    Yeah, the Cubs probably don’t even reach the playoffs without Hamels. I think they’re almost certainly going to make the playoffs now, but I think it’s a toss up whether or not they win the division. Chatwood sucks and I don’t see them winning the division unless they get Bryant back soon and he’s returned to pre-2018 and Rizzo returns to form.

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  125. Perkins

    andcounting,

    True, but Iike the idea of a bullpen day that doesn’t involve Chatwood. That gives a better chance to win.

    I feel bad for the guy, though. The talent is there, but he just can’t do anything right.

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  129. andcounting

    Perkins,

    I agree, but I guess I like the short-leash approach. Worst-case scenario, 3-run deficit in the 1st. Best-case, he goes 6. That way, you’re using Chatwood (and probably a ton of bullpen) every 5 days, but there’s always that off chance he figures it out and you get something out of it. Using up a bullpen spot for him is such a waste, he seems even worse in that role.

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  136. Ryno

    Notable minor league performances

    Zack Short: 1/4, HR
    Matt Swarmer: 6IP, 2H, 1ER, 9K, 0BB

    Justin Steele: 5IP, 3H, 2ER, 7K, 1BB

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  137. Ryno

    dmick89,

    My WAR on the season is better than Chatwood’s and I’d be willing to take his rotation spot for way less money. I’d probably sign a 3/$26 million contract right now.

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  143. Rizzo the Rat

    EnricoPallazzo,

    I ran a simulated game against a few Cubs hitters and here are the results:

    Happ: takes two strikes and whiffs on the third try.
    Báez: sets the tee three feet outside and still lines the ball the other way for a triple.
    Schwarber: hits a home run.*
    Rizzo: somehow gets hit by a pitch.
    La Stella: hits the ball weakly, but reaches on catcher’s interference.
    Bote: 115 mph. groundout.

    *For the purpose of this simulation, I assume the tee is right-handed.

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  144. Rizzo the Rat

    For the record, that’s much better than my Chatwood simulation, in which he walked everyone except Almora and Báez.

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  148. Ryno

    Minor league moment

    Thomas Hatch: 6IP, 1H, 1ER, 6K, 1BB

    Brailyn Marquez: 6.2IP, 8H, 2ER, 6K, 0BB, 6-1 GO-AO

    I think Marquez might be the top pitching prospect in the system.

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  163. dmick89

    Myles: Murphy is obviously a good bat, but he’s a homophobe.

    I’ve always rooted for this guy to fail miserably, which kind of sucks that he’s going to be on the Cubs. If I rooted for Chapman, I can root for Murphy to perform well.

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  164. Perkins

    dmick89,

    Or it means Russell’s injury is worse than he’s let on and they can’t trust him for the stretch run. My bet is Javy plays SS for the first 6-7 innings and then slides over to 2B with Russell mostly used as a defensive replacement. Or that Russell finally gets a DL stint.

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  166. dmick89

    Perkins,

    That’s a strong possibility too. I think it has to be a more serious injury for Russell or Bryant. I don’t see how this works otherwise. The Cubs have a dozen 2nd basemen.

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  172. Perkins

    andcounting:
    Myles,

    If the head being thrown at is homophobic, I’d allow it.

    On the plus side, if they win the World Series, it’ll be nice to imagine his discomfort as the parade goes through Boys’ Town. I’d hope they’d put out extra Pride flags.

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  173. Myles

    dmick89:
    Maybe it’s a Russell/Murphy platoon. That’s a pretty good idea actually.

    I could be persuaded. Russell probably needs to come in as a defensive replacement pretty quick, though. Murphy is terribad in the field.

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  174. andcounting

    Man, when I heard someone had claimed him off waivers, I just knew it would be the Cubs. I really hate that dude.

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  177. dmick89

    “I disagree with his lifestyle. I do disagree with the fact that Billy is a homosexual. That doesn’t mean I can’t still invest in him and get to know him. I don’t think the fact that someone is a homosexual should completely shut the door on investing in them in a relational aspect. Getting to know him. That, I would say, you can still accept them but I do disagree with the lifestyle, 100 percent.” – Daniel Murphy

    This is pretty bad, but it’s not as bad as some bigots. That’s a terrible sentence to even write. That said, Murphy doesn’t even understand that you can’t invest in “them” in any relational aspect if you are going to disagree with their choice in sexual partners. It’s such a ridiculous fucking claim that it pisses me off even looking up the exact quote.

    For what it’s worth, I wouldn’t be surprised if Ben Zobrist has similar views since he’s as devout a Christian as Murphy is, but he’s smart enough to not say it. Even worse, Murphy’s views are probably shared by at least half of all MLB players.

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  178. dmick89

    The local Westboro Baptist Church here in Topeka, known for their hate signs like “God Hates Fags”, actually backed Daniel Murphy during the 2015 World Series. WBC thought Murphy was the only bright spot in that city. Jesus Christ.

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  179. dmick89

    “The good part of the story is that over time, because of the interest of so many people, both sides, him and his wife contacted me and we started a friendship, and he said that I helped him to start to consider things from a different perspective and I thought it was generous of him to do that. …”

    “I’m sure that he’s never had a gay friend that’s in his current life. The fact that we have baseball in common, he can see from a distance the work that I try and do and I can watch the influence he tries to have with the platform he has.” – Billy Bean earlier this year

    Billy should become friends with Trump.

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  180. URK

    I’m guessing that we see Russel hit the DL and then a Murphy/Russell platoon of sorts when he gets back, with Russell coming in and Baez sliding over for defense late in games sometimes too, and with Murphy being the DH in games in AL parks.

    I have all kinds of conflicting emotions about having his dumb ass on the team. I’ve always despised the “I accept all people, but I disagree with the gay lifestyle” kind of bigotry because it’s such a self-righteous way for bigots to let themselves off the hook for being bigots. like, the instant you describe being gay as a “lifestyle” is the instant that you no longer get to pat yourself on the back for how forgiving and accepting you are. Its bullshit hypocrisy. It also pisses me off because who fucking cares what your opinion about who anyone else marries or falls in love with, Mr. straight guy? Its just fucking condescending. And its a standard trope from religious conservatism, which might have done more to fuck up this country in my lifetime than any other single belief system.

    Buuuuut, it’s also the kind of position that people can move forward from, fairly easily, especially if they are surrounded by folks who have a similar religious background but aren’t condescending assholes that want to run other people’s lives for them. Because sometimes that “I accept all people” bit means something and isn’t just schtick. Zobrist and Bryant seem (from what I can tell) to be pretty religious but don’t forefront this kind of nonsense at all.

    And, Murphy is a valuable piece that brings some stuff that the team really needs right now. Which is why you can see me working extra hard to compartmentalize the stuff that makes it hard to root for him. Basically, if he can keep his mouth shut for a couple of months , or even make some noises about inclusion and tolerance, then I can keep the other stuff in its box. Still, I wouldn’t blame anyone who is gay for wanting to tell the Cubs to go fuck themselves over this and not giving the team any more time or money until he’s gone.

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  182. Myles

    dmick89:
    The local Westboro Baptist Church here in Topeka, known for their hate signs like “God Hates Fags”, actually backed Daniel Murphy during the 2015 World Series. WBC thought Murphy was the only bright spot in that city. Jesus Christ.

    Wait, really? That’s fairly incredible.

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  184. Ryno

    URK:
    I have all kinds of conflicting emotions about…his…ass. I’ve always despised…bigots…fucking…Mr. straight guy. fucking…fuck…any other single belief system.

    Buuuuut…folks who have…similar…assholes…fuck themselves.

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  185. dmick89

    Myles,

    You have no idea. Since the death of Fred Phelps they’ve been a little bit better about their bullshit, but they’re still disgusting. I remember when I moved here 16 years ago and the first time I saw them out picketing was jaw dropping. These signs about “God Hates Fags” and “God Hates the US” (this one may be true if God actually existed since this country blows) and all this other hateful shit blew my mind. Little kids that couldn’t be older than 6 or 8 out holding these signs along with their parents. How is that not child abuse? I’m all for freedom of speech and these fucks have every right to do the sick shit they have done, but I don’t see how forcing a 6 or 8 year old to hold signs like that isn’t child abuse. They’re the assholes who picket the funerals of dead soldiers and basically go to every place that is going to get them media attention. So yeah, if this group is backing you, you’ve got some disgusting views because hate everybody. Except Daniel Murphy.

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  186. Myles

    dmick89:
    Myles,

    You have no idea. Since the death of Fred Phelps they’ve been a little bit better about their bullshit, but they’re still disgusting. I remember when I moved here 16 years ago and the first time I saw them out picketing was jaw dropping. These signs about “God Hates Fags” and “God Hates the US” (this one may be true if God actually existed since this country blows) and all this other hateful shit blew my mind. Little kids that couldn’t be older than 6 or 8 out holding these signs along with their parents. How is that not child abuse? I’m all for freedom of speech and these fucks have every right to do the sick shit they have done, but I don’t see how forcing a 6 or 8 year old to hold signs like that isn’t child abuse. They’re the assholes who picket the funerals of dead soldiers and basically go to every place that is going to get them media attention. So yeah, if this group is backing you, you’ve got some disgusting views because hate everybody. Except Daniel Murphy.

    I assume you’ve seen Louis Theroux’s excellent documentary “The Most Hated Family in America” and it’s sequel “The Most Hated Family in America in Crisis,” but if you haven’t, you should.

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  187. andcounting

    dmick89: This is pretty bad, but it’s not as bad as some bigots. That’s a terrible sentence to even write. That said, Murphy doesn’t even understand that you can’t invest in “them” in any relational aspect if you are going to disagree with their choice in sexual partners. It’s such a ridiculous fucking claim that it pisses me off even looking up the exact quote.

    For what it’s worth, I wouldn’t be surprised if Ben Zobrist has similar views since he’s as devout a Christian as Murphy is, but he’s smart enough to not say it. Even worse, Murphy’s views are probably shared by at least half of all MLB players.

    “It’s none of my business” is a perfectly ok thing to say. Like, there’s absolutely nothing preventing anyone from saying this. I don’t expect everyone to have identical views on sexuality. It would be great if people of faith in general treated other humans in love and respect, but history has shown us that’s not how it works. I do expect people with a platform to at least have the decency to mind their own goddamn business and leave their peers the fuck alone. He spoke his ignorant mind and emboldened the oppressors of an entire people group. I can’t stand that shit.

    Now, I know there are different ways to overcome hate and that more hate/ rage is one of the least effective methods. But looking the other way when people are oppressed, condemned, and marginalized for who they are (as opposed to who they hurt) is even worse. Murphy should apologize, and until he does he deserves every word of criticism he gets.

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  191. Rizzo the Rat

    Also,

    Addison Russell is not starting tonight due to a shoulder issue. He’s had leg and hand problems as well.

    — Jesse Rogers (@ESPNChiCubs) August 21, 2018

    Not really surprising that he’s a little banged up.

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  192. berselius is too lazy to login

    I thought I saw a God Hates Fags sign at the Santa Fe farmers market last weekend, but instead it was someone with a reusable bag that said “GOD HATES BAGS”

    /cool story bro

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  195. URK

    This board is like the only place where the 3 things occupying my brain the most for the past couple of hours–Murphy, Cohen, and Manafort–are all getting discussed without me wanting to kill anyone. Thanks y’all.

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  196. Rizzo the Rat

    Honestly, I’m almost as tired of the recent trend of reviving old TV series as I am of franchise movies taking over the cinema.

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  197. dmick89

    Rizzo the Rat,

    I guess I don’t care about the tv revivals and definitely not for a series like Veronica Mars, which I loved. The only issue that I have with franchise movies is that it’s such a waste of some of the talent. I’d really like to have seen what RDJ could have done with these last 10 years if he wasn’t wasting it in superhero movies. There are probably at least 50 actors who could competently play Tony Stark. I’m amazed that studios waste that all that money on him when they could go find another guy who wants to play a billionaire superhero. But if RDJ wants to keep cashing those huge checks in favor of challenging roles I guess I don’t have any reason to complain.

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  210. Perkins

    Joe should bat the pitcher leadoff and use relief pitchers for all the positions. The results would be about the same. Plus it’d be entertaining as hell.

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  229. JKV

    It’s not frustrating at all that the Cubs have scored 5 runs total in the last 5 games.

    At least when asked about 8/21/2018, we’ll remember this date for a very different reason.

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  230. Myles

    JKV:
    It’s not frustrating at all that the Cubs have scored 5 runs total in the last 5 games.

    At least when asked about 8/21/2018, we’ll remember this date for a very different reason.

    Yeah, I ate a delicious gyro today.

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  242. BVS

    Rizzo the Rat:
    For the record I have no idea why La Stella is the DH over Happ.

    Because you can’t post crooked numbers without baserunners, and Happ is a 3 true outcome player, minus the walks.

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  244. SK

    andcounting:
    EnricoPallazzo,

    I think he taped over that game with the Jack Benny finale.

    There was never a finale, on radio or TV, for the same reason he was always 39 years old. He went on forever*.

    It would have been a tough choice though. Cubs had good seasons those years, winning 72 games in both.

    *(Until he died obvs.)

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  247. BVS

    A modest proposal…

    If the Cubs keep up their one run streak today, can we please return to the periodic OV discussions about seasoning cast iron skillets? I mean, I never cook anything aside from grilled cheese and tuna mac w peas, and I don’t intend to increase my repertoire, but I’m sure I’d be more fulfilled by that discussion.

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  249. dmick89

    BVS,

    I’d just like all the trades to stop. This Cubs team isn’t all that good and they’re nowhere near as good as about half the teams that will make the playoffs in the AL. This team isn’t worth trying to improve at this point in my opinion.

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  250. SK

    BVS:
    A modest proposal…

    If the Cubs keep up their one run streak today, can we please return to the periodic OV discussions about seasoning cast iron skillets? I mean, I never cook anything aside from grilled cheese and tuna mac w peas, and I don’t intend to increase my repertoire, but I’m sure I’d be more fulfilled by that discussion.

    shitty barbecue sauce nostalgia or gtfo

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  254. cerulean

    On the Murphy anti-homosexual views outrage (in which I get personal and serious while trying not to sound like a condescending asshole and fail miserably): Outrage culture dictates that once someone expresses the wrong opinions, those opinions will be held forever and carved into their headstone. This is not how minds get changed.

    Those Westboro people (and many christians generally) think that the tough love (hate) they give (spew) to fags (people who choose the homosexual lifestyle, whether or not they had much of a choice) really comes from a place of love (not hate) because they are trying to save them from the fires of hell (which don’t exist, though if they do, we are all fucked).

    Changing a mind is hard work and painful — speaking as someone whose faith became a cancer (which I had to excise by doing the surgery myself using the mental equivalent of a spoon) I know it is one of the most unpleasant experiences possible — one that many do not survive. I am pretty lucky, actually. (And I mean lucky. If there are universes forking all possibilities of the wave function, there are an infinite number of versions of me that remain blissfully ignorant in fundamentalist christian views, others that committed suicide, still others that manifested all of the evil within me to became a serial [insert the most detestable things possible]. Lucky.)

    I like the word mindset to describe the idiosyncratic outlooks of our brains because despite the inherent plasticity, throughout our lives we have created really complex structures that improve the efficiency of processing reality — that are to us reality. Changing those foundational aspects of one’s brain can be flirting with insanity. Not changing them is the road to a cranky old bigot.

    So my question to all of you is this — how can we treat those with such retrograde views with enough grace and time to afford them the opportunity to change their minds? I don’t think relegating them to the trash heap of history will do it. That will only make them dig in. Forcing them to change doesn’t seem to be effective. Shame sometimes is, but typically only for younger people. Cultural change mostly helps younger people. I don’t know. If they are still alive and don’t have a degenerative brain disease (rules out Trump), I have to believe there is still hope, though I have no safety net of faith to back it up. It’s probably just a lie a tell myself to make existence less intolerable.

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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  255. cerulean

    Also — I find the they had no choice, they were born that way argument to be unconvincing — to the point of invalidating the homosexual lifestyle. Shouldn’t homosexuality be a valid choice for those who could go either way?

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  256. Ryno

    cerulean:
    On the Murphy anti-homosexual views outrage (in which I get…asshole): Those Westboro people (and many christians generally) think…fags (people who choose the homosexual lifestyle)…all fucked.

    I am pretty.

    I like…flirting with…a cranky old bigot.

    So my question to all of you is this — how can we……trash…younger people.

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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  259. Ryno

    Something to keep eye on: former top Dodger prospect Allen Webster is healthy and regularly touching 97 with a nasty slider. 4.2 innings into his @smokiesbaseball career he has 9 K’s (vs 3 hits and a walk). A must for the winter: keeping Webster, a free agent, inside the Cub org.

    — Cubs Prospects (@cubprospects) August 20, 2018

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  260. BVS

    dmick89,

    Disagree. In the playoffs you don’t need a 5th starter, but you need something better than bullpen day to stave off St. Louis and Milwaukee to get to div championship.

    Once you get to playoffs, you dump 5th starter and maybe even 4th starter. This team is more competitive in that format, if we acoid the wildcard crapshoot.

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  263. SK

    cerulean:
    On the Murphy anti-homosexual views outrage (in which I get personal and serious while trying not to sound like a condescending asshole and fail miserably): Outrage culture dictates that once someone expresses the wrong opinions, those opinions will be held forever and carved into their headstone. This is not how minds get changed.

    Those Westboro people (and many christians generally) think that the tough love (hate) they give (spew) to fags (people who choose the homosexual lifestyle, whether or not they had much of a choice) really comes from a place of love (not hate) because they are trying to save them from the fires of hell (which don’t exist, though if they do, we are all fucked).

    Changing a mind is hard work and painful — speaking as someone whose faith became a cancer (which I had to excise by doing the surgery myself using the mental equivalent of a spoon) I know it is one of the most unpleasant experiences possible — one that many do not survive. I am pretty lucky, actually. (And I mean lucky. If there are universes forking all possibilities of the wave function, there are an infinite number of versions of me that remain blissfully ignorant in fundamentalist christian views, others that committed suicide, still others that manifested all of the evil within me to became a serial [insert the most detestable things possible]. Lucky.)

    I like the word mindset to describe the idiosyncratic outlooks of our brains because despite the inherent plasticity, throughout our lives we have created really complex structures that improve the efficiency of processing reality — that are to us reality. Changing those foundational aspects of one’s brain can be flirting with insanity. Not changing them is the road to a cranky old bigot.

    So my question to all of you is this — how can we treat those with such retrograde views with enough grace and time to afford them the opportunity to change their minds? I don’t think relegating them to the trash heap of history will do it. That will only make them dig in. Forcing them to change doesn’t seem to be effective. Shame sometimes is, but typically only for younger people. Cultural change mostly helps younger people. I don’t know. If they are still alive and don’t have a degenerative brain disease (rules out Trump), I have to believe there is still hope, though I have no safety net of faith to back it up. It’s probably just a lie a tell myself to make existence less intolerable.

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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  264. EnricoPallazzo

    cerulean: So my question to all of you is this — how can we treat those with such retrograde views with enough grace and time to afford them the opportunity to change their minds? I don’t think relegating them to the trash heap of history will do it. That will only make them dig in. Forcing them to change doesn’t seem to be effective. Shame sometimes is, but typically only for younger people. Cultural change mostly helps younger people.

    can we not just ignore them? that’s what i’ve been doing.

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  268. dmick89

    cerulean: So my question to all of you is this — how can we treat those with such retrograde views with enough grace and time to afford them the opportunity to change their minds? I don’t think relegating them to the trash heap of history will do it. That will only make them dig in. Forcing them to change doesn’t seem to be effective. Shame sometimes is, but typically only for younger people. Cultural change mostly helps younger people. I don’t know. If they are still alive and don’t have a degenerative brain disease (rules out Trump), I have to believe there is still hope, though I have no safety net of faith to back it up. It’s probably just a lie a tell myself to make existence less intolerable.

    I have no clue. I know what you’re saying here, but I think people like this find validation in their beliefs regardless of how they are treated. Take Westboro as an example. If friends and family block access to the soldier’s funeral, they are validated in their beliefs because they were shut down. If they are allowed access, they’re validated because they were able to more easily spread their hate.

    I think groups are obviously different than individuals and should probably be treated differently. I don’t need to wait patiently for WBC to change and I have zero interest in helping them do so. They’re a hate group that should be wiped from existence. As for the individuals in WBC, I don’t know. Some have left and become slightly better human beings though I still think they believe in the same shit. They just don’t believe in flaunting it as the group did. I guess that’s better, but not by much. So I have no idea how to deal with hate groups like WBC.

    For someone like Murphy? It sounds like Billy Bean had the perfect response and it worked. They became friends. I don’t know if Murphy has ever apologized and I’m not even sure that it’s that important that he does. His future actions are more important and if he has changed and acts as if he has changed, great. I have no problem with that and I’m actually impressed with both Bean and Murphy if that’s the case. Time will tell.

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  271. Ryno

    Per BleacherNation, five Cubs farmhands made BA’s best tools list:

    Terrance Gore – Fastest Runner, Pacific Coast League
    Duncan Robinson – Best Control, Southern League
    Zack Short – Best Defensive Shortstop, Southern League
    Miguel Amaya – Best Defensive Catcher, Midwest League
    Jared Young – Best Defensive 1B, Midwest League

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  285. BVS

    Rizzo the Rat,

    I think that depends on the goals for the day. Over the long haul, I’d certainly play Happ more than La Stella. But if I’m constructing a lineup to push for a win on a particular day, I definitely look at recent numbers. Slumps happen, and Happ is in a deep one. His 30+% K rate doesn’t help.

    I think his ceiling is about where he is at right now. 5th OF. I’m really not sold on Happ’s long term value as a hitter.

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  292. andcounting

    Sometimes Maddon’s insistence on doing the very not obvious thing gets pretty frustrating, and having Murphy not DH is the epitome.

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  332. Rizzo the Rat

    #Cubs Chatwood on 10 day DL with left hip inflammation. Aggravated it during start on Saturday. Maples called up

    — Carrie Muskat (@CarrieMuskat) August 23, 2018

    Ironically, Chatwood went on the DL for an injury that could affect his walking ability.

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  338. andcounting

    It’s insane that Hamels gave up a run on the contact he induced in that inning. The Reds got four extra outs.

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  356. EnricoPallazzo

    Not sure who these imposters are but it’s nice to see the team score some runs. I just feel bad for the real cubs who are obviously hogtied and gagged in someone’s basement somehwere.

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