Time: 3:10 PM CT
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Will the Cubs win? Nope. Not today. Not ever.
538 Forecast: 64% chance of winning
Time: 3:10 PM CT
TV: WGN
Series Preview
Gameday
LINEUPS
Jason Heyward, RF |
Ichiro Suzuki, CF |
Will the Cubs win? Nope. Not today. Not ever.
538 Forecast: 64% chance of winning
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Jose Reyes is a Mets again if you need to hate them more.
Rice in limboQuote Reply
It all helps and makes it worth it. Thanks.
dmick89Quote Reply
Rice in limbo,
I saw that earlier. It seems like it’s been so long since he was a Met.
dmick89Quote Reply
Nice hitting by Kris Bryant.
dmick89Quote Reply
dmick89,
Not good sliding, though.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
This is ridiculous
SKQuote Reply
Rizzo the Rat,
No and not a good use of replay either.
dmick89Quote Reply
SK,
Agreed. If you can’t tell, he’s safe. This shouldn’t take but 3 seconds.
dmick89Quote Reply
Time limit on reviews, please.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
He was never tagged while off the base.
SKQuote Reply
Six goddamn minutes.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
This pitcher is unworthy of the Clemens surname.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
Rizzo the Rat,
Mark Twain agrees.
SKQuote Reply
I miss Dexter Fowler.
SKQuote Reply
Walking Ichiro. Ugh.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
Throw strikes, John.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
I could steal a base with Montero behind the plate.
dmick89Quote Reply
This game sucks so far.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
This game is starting poorly for John. Winning tomorrow will be really difficult so they kind of need this in order to avoid losing 3 of 4 to the fucking Marlins.
dmick89Quote Reply
dmick89,
It appeared that Ichiro got a fantastic jump.
SKQuote Reply
I’m gonna come right out and say it. The Cubs position players are all good looking guys. Pitchers not so much.
SKQuote Reply
Montero!
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
Miggy has 4 home runs? I don’t remember any since opening day.
dmick89Quote Reply
Russell!
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
Addy!!!!
dmick89Quote Reply
ADDY
SKQuote Reply
I was just going to complain that they weren’t punishing this AAA pitcher enough.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
Almost another Brexit there…
SKQuote Reply
I’m on the red line. We just past Addison. Phish phans are OLD. Like gray hair old.
Which, since I remember not liking Phish when they were still s going concern, means I am old. Though not as old as phish phans.
Julio Borbon, mike Scott and mike fiersQuote Reply
I hate this Bour guy.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
Julio Borbon, mike Scott and mike fiers,
I was never a big Phish fan, but I have enjoyed their music when I’ve listened. And yeah, Phish fans would be old. Younger than SK.
dmick89Quote Reply
Damnit John
SKQuote Reply
Rizzo the Rat,
He hates the cubs.
dmick89Quote Reply
Cubs getting killed by HOF lock Justin Bour
berseliusQuote Reply
Ugh.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
dmick89,
When was their hey day? Early 90s? Not sure I ever heard them but I have known of them since way before my hair started turning gray.
SKQuote Reply
SK,
That sounds right. They were pretty big among my friends in college, which would have been early to mid 90s. I just figured why Phish when I can listen to The Dead? (dying laughing)
dmick89Quote Reply
Whew.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
Crap.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
Russell’s defense has been quite a bit worse this year.
dmick89Quote Reply
Cubs lose.
dmick89Quote Reply
dmick89,
Rizzo probably prevents the error without the stiff back.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
I hate this week.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
This is starting to Bour me.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
dmick89,
Phish created a fervent following rivaled only by the Dead, which led to some consternation from old deadheads after they continued to gain popularity after Garcia passed away. I have much respect for Phish for walking away from touring when they felt it had become rote and the drugs became too much.
Now Phish is a self-contained operation that has generated a lot of money since they reformed doing what they do best—live music, no label necessary. It’s a pretty great business story no matter your thoughts on the music.
ceruleanQuote Reply
Also, fuck.
ceruleanQuote Reply
cerulean,
I always liked the music and had a mental note to check it out more. I just never did. I will probably see if I can download their Wrigley concerts. Wouldn’t mind listening to that.
This game went to shit.
dmick89Quote Reply
Maybe Gerrit Cole was right. (dying laughing)
dmick89Quote Reply
dmick89,
I got a mixtape of some of their better songs a friends gave me in the late nineties, then the live album Slip, Stitch, and Pass. Being a guitarist and a lover of improvisation, the appeal was pretty immediate, though for me it was more of a stepping stone to jazz on the one hand and indie music on the other. I should definitely listen to Hampton Comes Alive again—it’s great driving and working and cleaning music.
ceruleanQuote Reply
You almost have to have the hit and run on with Heyward at the plate and less than 2 outs. It’s an automatic two otherwise.
dmick89Quote Reply
53 strikeouts in 29.2 innings. Crazy.
dmick89Quote Reply
I miss Fowler, Zobrist, Schwarber, Soler and LaStella.
SKQuote Reply
This.
dmick89Quote Reply
Andrew Miller has 58 in 31.2. Who are you talking about?
EDIT: Aha, Barraclough.
ceruleanQuote Reply
cerulean,
I wonder if the Cubs might be looking for a Miller and Beltran trade at some point in the near future. Beltran would give them that big left-handed bat they lost when Schwarber went down, he’s relatively cheap for what he’s worth and he’s a free agent after the season. What would it take to get those two? Any interest?
dmick89Quote Reply
Have I said “ugh” yet?
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
Hit a home run, Miguel.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
It’s only been a week since Fowler got injured? Seems like forever.
dmick89Quote Reply
dmick89,
What would it take? More than Dan Vogelbach, unfortunately. The Yankees would want young and ready/nearly ready—a trade that they can sell as a buy to their fans, which is fortunate because any amount of talent I put together seems like too much from the Cubs perspective without also being a bit of a sell. So I would try to work out at least a three-for-three deal, the Cubs getting about a potential rotation arm, two or three years away.
The righty Domingo Acevedo would be nice—he apparently hit 103mph (!) with his fastball. But I am guessing would take something like Baez, Happ, Vogelbach, and maybe Szczur. Jordan Montgomery is a big lefty with far less velocity and less of a ceiling than Acevedo that could probably had with the likes of Soler, Candelario, Vogelbach, and maybe Villanueva (if they can trade his elite defense and broken fibula).
I have this problem when trying to work out trades of simultaneously undervaluing and overvaluing players. It seems like every Cubs prospect has been actually good at the MLB level—like a 2 to 5 WAR player right out of the gate. Times four to six years of control, that is immensely valuable. They all seem like major leaguers, able to contribute to a playoff team. So both trade seem like overpays from the Cubs perspective. But I’d do either one.
ceruleanQuote Reply
dmick89,
The new Fowler motto:
“You go…we’ll wait until you get back.”
ceruleanQuote Reply
All right. I don’t believe I ordered this inevitable regression + too many injuries combo. How do I send this shit back?
Smokestack LightningQuote Reply
Let’s play a game called “How good are the Cubs, really?”
They started out 25–6. They are now 48–25. Since that torrid start, they are a mere four games over .500 at 23–19. Certainly an ugly stretch. In their last twenty they are 10–10. Just awful.
Now I know how Yankees fans feel.
ceruleanQuote Reply
cerulean,
#WeStinks
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
Fortunately, the rest of the NL Central teams have been losing lately, so the Cubs’ crappiness of late hasn’t hurt them in the standings. e.g., the Cardinals’ sweep of the Cubs comprises their only three victories in recent memory.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
Zobrist is in the lineup today.
dmick89Quote Reply
I’d probably do either one too. Thanks for the examples.
dmick89Quote Reply
Full squadron:
Zobrist
Heyward (cf)
Bryant
Rizzo
Contreras (LF)
Montero
Russell
Coghlan (RF)
Hammel
berseliusQuote Reply
Should be fun times defensively today, though I don’t necessarily miss Almora’s bat in the lineup either.
berseliusQuote Reply
berselius,
Especially against Fernandez. I wouldn’t minded to have seen Bryant get the day off today with Baez playing 3rd. This would have been the perfect day to have Adam Warren start.
dmick89Quote Reply
Does this qualify as a June Swoon yet? Sportswriters love a rhymy cliché.
ceruleanQuote Reply
Sorry, no time for minor league or game thread today. Maybe someone else can do a game thread.
dmick89Quote Reply
berselius,
He has been rough of late with the bat, which explains the shit-shoveling—Joe giving him protection so he sees more hittable pitches.
ceruleanQuote Reply
cerulean,
Not yet. I think it will get rid of the best team ever articles. Best of 2016? I think so, but it’s probably a lot closer than we thought.
dmick89Quote Reply
Stupid east coast games. This is the second time this series that I’ve missed the start time by an hour (dying laughing).
berseliusQuote Reply
(dying laughing) at Rizzo’s anti-TOOTBLAN
ceruleanQuote Reply
Damn, I wanted the ump to make up for non-calls on Hendricks on Fernandez, then give up a salami.
ceruleanQuote Reply
Cubs lose
dmick89Quote Reply
Trevor Rosenthal ———> no longer the Cardinals closer
berseliusQuote Reply
So it begins.?
ceruleanQuote Reply
berselius,
I am still annoyed that the Cubs didn’t do that to him.
ceruleanQuote Reply
So if the Giants win today they’ll be tied with the cubs for best record in baseball. The Giants are the luckiest team in sports.
dmick89Quote Reply
The Cubs are 4–6 in their last ten and have lost no ground on any team in the Central, only the Brewers keeping pace.
ceruleanQuote Reply
dmick89,
With a Cubs’ loss, they’d be a half game back with one more win and two more losses.
ceruleanQuote Reply
cerulean,
Yeah, I forgot they’d played 3 more than the Cubs.
dmick89Quote Reply
dmick89,
But yeah, the last three even years have been the luckiest in recent memory—though they also have been good enough to be lucky.
ceruleanQuote Reply
Come on, Kris.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
Texas has been crazy lucky this year, though history says that will change come October. I am hoping all the Cubs’ misfortune get bored and leave come the playoffs.
ceruleanQuote Reply
Figures a hit wouldn’t score the runner in scoring position.
dmick89Quote Reply
Bases chock full ’o Cubs. DP?
ceruleanQuote Reply
cerulean,
I have a close friend who is as big a Giants fan as I am a Cubs fan so I was happy to see them win it in 2010 and I was happy to see them win in 2014 because didn’t want to listen to Royals fans all year.
dmick89Quote Reply
Probably a line out double play.
dmick89Quote Reply
I’m impressed they scored. How things have changed from a few weeks ago. (dying laughing)
dmick89Quote Reply
I liked the Giants in 2010 when they surprised everyone. They were a quirky, likeable team. By 2014 I was thinking, “enough already.”
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
Come on, Anthony.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
Contreras!
ceruleanQuote Reply
Sequencing has killed the Cubs of late.
ceruleanQuote Reply
cerulean,
Yeah, why couldn’t Rizzo’s single have come in his second at-bat?
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
What’s with these terrible stolen base attempts today?
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
Damn.
ceruleanQuote Reply
A hit and run with Montero at the plate and Fernandez on the mound is probably a bad idea every time.
dmick89Quote Reply
Good to see the Cubs make Fernandez work at least. Over 60 pitches in the fourth.
ceruleanQuote Reply
*pours one out for Yahoo sports*. This year they added tweets to their play by play feed and even more inexplicably batted ball locations for every PA
berseliusQuote Reply
And the only hit against Hammel came the only time a man was on.
ceruleanQuote Reply
dmick89,
I don’t know how much sense the hit-and-run makes when the league strikeout rate is approaching 9 per game.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
The story of this year has been tons of strikeouts and home runs. I want baserunners to hang on for dear life.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
Rizzo the Rat,
Yep.
ceruleanQuote Reply
This isn’t good.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
?
berseliusQuote Reply
Fuck the heck.
ceruleanQuote Reply
I knew the Cubs’ starters couldn’t keep it up all year, but why do they all have to struggle at once?
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
Two outs, Mathis hitting. Sounds good.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
That could have been a lot worse
berseliusQuote Reply
berselius,
I don’t think it could have gone much better after the bases were stuffed.
ceruleanQuote Reply
cerulean,
The only better outcome would have been a double play, forcing Mathis to lead off the next inning.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
Fernandez is good
berseliusQuote Reply
I was hoping the Marlins would be terrible and that the Cubs would trade for him at the deadline.
dmick89Quote Reply
Artificial light during a day game is awful. The humid heat is oppressive without a roof. No wonder nobody comes to the games.
Miami is the worst big city by far. I for one won’t cry when it succumbs to the sea.
ceruleanQuote Reply
Rizzo the Rat,
On one pitch. That would be the best case scenario.
ceruleanQuote Reply
*strikes out side, leads off with double*
Sorry, I just don’t see it. (dying laughing)
ceruleanQuote Reply
Phew.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
Damn, thought Heyward would get that
berseliusQuote Reply
This looks familiar.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
Hammel really needs to get more strikeouts.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
Way to lean right into that one, rando Marlins player
berseliusQuote Reply
That’s not good on Rizzo’s back.
dmick89Quote Reply
Safe
dmick89Quote Reply
I was surprised Bryant didn’t throw home there.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
That ground ball should be a double play. I’m not sure why Zobrist took so long to get to the base, but that’s got to be turned.
dmick89Quote Reply
That sucks.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
Everybody is safe?
dmick89Quote Reply
Can we start this past week over?
dmick89Quote Reply
Double safe.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
Cubs Wose! Wave that W!
ceruleanQuote Reply
dmick89,
According to Brett, Zobrist had to be prepared to cover first in case of a bunt.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
Rough day for Bryant.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
Oy vey.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
Might as well put Willson in to pitch
berseliusQuote Reply
Patton and Concepción are elite AAA pitchers.
ceruleanQuote Reply
Call up Vogelbach for the Cincy series so that he can continue to feast on AAA pitching and increase his trade value.
If there is any way to get the Cubs right, it’s Cincy pitching.
ceruleanQuote Reply
Worst. Week. Ever.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
Injury. Sequencing. Bullpen.
ceruleanQuote Reply
Those are three of the things that went wrong, yes.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/27242498.jpg
SKQuote Reply
Another trade idea:
Hammel, Soler, Vogelbach, Candelario, and Villanueva for Eovaldi, Miller, Beltran, and Acevedo.
Hammel has been good and Eovaldi has not, but I would like to see what Bosio might do for Eovaldi for the next two years. He has stuff, but something is not working. The Yankees get youthful depth at positions of dire need (1B, DH, 3B, OF) that would probably be far more productive than what they have now and a good SP. The Cubs get two years of the best lefty and a fixer-upper, a veteran lefty bat that might bring some more of that Cardinals’ devil magic and won’t block Schwarber, and a possible strikeout stud for the rotation in 2018 and beyond.
ceruleanQuote Reply
I forgot, you can’t trade Hammel to the Yanks. Without a beard, he’s barely serviceable.
Replace Hammel with Hendricks and add Montogomery with some cash on the Yankees end.
ceruleanQuote Reply
Trading Hendricks hurts a lot more than it used to.
ceruleanQuote Reply
http://obstructedview.net/cubs-1-marlins-6-6-26-16/
berseliusQuote Reply