Manager
MILWAUKEE — The Cubs will meet Wednesday with Brewers hitting coach Dale Sveum about their vacant managerial position. Sveum was already scheduled to travel here to meet with the Red Sox about a their manager job.
Chicago general manager Jed Hoyer said there is no favorite among the candidates and no deadline to select one. Hoyer and Theo Epstein, the Cubs’ president of baseball operations, have done followups with the six interviewed candidates so far. The list includes Sveum, Red Sox bench coach DeMarlo Hale, Phillies bench coach Pete Mackanin, Rangers pitching coach Mike Maddux, Indians bench coach Sandy Alomar Jr., and former Boston manager Terry Francona. — Carrie Muskat
I believe Esptein or Hoyer also said yesterday that the process is obviously winding down and we could hear who the new manager is by the end of the week or in the early part of next week.
Muskat reports that the Cubs are exploring the option of bringing Wood back in 2012. Wood last said that he’d retire if the Cubs didn’t bring him back. Bill James projects a 3.99 FIP in 52 innings. CAIRO projects a 3.59 FIP in 55 innings. ZiPS projects a 3.78 FIP in 46.2 innings. That’s an average FIP of 3.79 and an average IP of 51 innings. If we use a 1.3 LI that’s .6 WAR. He’s worth $2.9 million. It’s likely he’ll return for less than that like he did a year ago. Wood isn’t all that good these days, but unless the Cubs go nuts and give him a large contract, he’ll be worth it.
Yoennis Cespedes, Jorge Soler and Chris Capuano
Is it one ‘n’ or two? The Cubs are among several teams interested in Cespedes. The Cubs are also one of a few teams interested in 19 year old Cuban defector Jorge Soler.
MILWAUKEE — The Cubs are one of numerous teams with top scouts in the Dominican Republic this week to look at power-hitting Cuban defector Yoennis Cespedes.
But the Cuban defector the Cubs are targeting with greater interest, according to sources, is another athletic, hard-hitting outfielder – a seven-years-younger version of the flavor-of-the-month Cespedes: Jorge Soler, 19.
Soler, who defected this year and is expected to become a free agent within weeks, is exactly the kind of player the Cubs’ new regime is looking for as it restocks the farm system and tries to build a long-term home-core contender.
That link also says the Cubs are interested in Chris Capuano. Bill James projects a 4.08 FIP. I’m going to ignore innings projections for Capuano considering the injuries in recent years. CAIRO projects a 3.95 FIP. ZiPS projects a 4.20 FIP. That’s an average 4.08 FIP projection. Last season Capuano threw 186 innings so if we go with a 150 innings projection, Capuano is worth 2.2 WAR. Gordo says he’s looking for a two-year deal so that gives me an opportunity to use something that Tango published yesterday. I’m going to start at $4.8 million per win and increase it by 5% annually. Average Annual Value Plus Years Signed. Pretty simple.
Basically, if a guy wants another year he takes $1 million less per year. For Capuano it would be something like this:
| yrs | per year | total |
| 1 | 10.6 | 10.6 |
| 2 | 9.6 | 20.2 |
| 3 | 8.6 | 28.8 |
| 4 | 7.6 | 36.4 |
| 5 | 6.6 | 43 |
I’m not saying the Cubs should sign Capuano to 5 years. That would be kind of nuts. This is more important in looking at players who might be worth a 5-year deal. Capuano is not. He’s apparently looking for a 2-year deal and he made only $4 million last year. If the Cubs could sign Capuano to something like a 2-year deal for $12 million with some type of third year option it would be a very good deal for the Cubs.
The Cubs and Buehrle’s agent have spoken several times and the Cubs are obviously interested. I don’t think Buehrle would want to play for the Cubs, but if they’re offering the most money I doubt he turns it down. ZiPS hasn’t done the White Sox yet, but Bill James projects a 4.08 FIP and CAIRO projets a 4.02 FIP. Those are for the AL so when we calculate our WAR we’ll increase it by .5 since the AL is the superior league. Buehrle is a work horse who has never pitched fewer than 200 innings (other than his rookie year when he was primarily a reliever). We can reasonably expect at least 200 innings from Buehrle and he has an average 4.04 FIP projection for the American League. That makes Buehrle worth 3.4 WAR in the American League. Those same stats would be 3.0 in the NL, but we know he’s a 3.4 WAR pitcher in the AL. He’s worth that.
On a 3-year contract he’d be worth $43.6 million. At 4 years he’d be worth about $54 million and then $63 million on a 5-year deal. Buehrle is a very good pitcher and that’s not an unreasonable contract. If the Cubs could Buehrle for a 4-year, $50 million contract with an option for a 5th year they’d have gone a long way to improving their rotation. At 5/63 it’s a fair deal.
Let’s say the Cubs do sign Capuano and Buehrle. They have Matt Garza and Ryan Dempster returning. Carlos Zambrano can come back if he his bropologies are accepted by numerous teammates and he jumps through whatever other hoops the Cubs have set up for him to do. I think that’s unlikely, but let’s say he manages to complete all of the necessary steps to return to the Cubs. The Cubs rotation would then be Garza, Buehrle, Dempster, Capuano and Zambrano.
The Cubs want to put Andrew Cashner in the rotation and there’s even been talk about moving Jeff Samardzija into the rotation. Then there’s Randy Wells. This is why I believe that Zambrano doesn’t have much chance to return. The Cubs have been and are still moving forward as if Zambrano won’t be a member of the team. Let’s adjust our rotation a bit to Garza, Buehrle, Dempster, Capuano and Cashner. You can move every one up a notch if they don’t get one of Buehrle or Capuano and insert Wells at the back of the rotation.
They’d get about 4 WAR out of Garza, 3.4 from Buehrle, about 2.5 from Dempster, 2.2 from Capuano and trying to guess on Cashner would be foolish. The front four of that rotation would be projected to produce about 12.1 WAR. It’s not a fantastic rotation by any means, but it would be a really deep rotation. Hoyer has talked several times about how the rotation needs to be improved and how they lacked depth a year ago. Last year the Cubs entire rotation combined for 9.7 fWAR. If they could get the production from the above four and a solid contribution from Cashner and others who may fill in at times it would be a pretty good rotation. And it wouldn’t cost an arm and leg to put together.
The Cubs are also one of the teams in on Yu Darvish. The Cubs won’t sign all three of these starters, but the Cubs appear very interested in signing at least two, moving Cashner into the rotation and that leaves no room for Zambrano.
Fire Sale
The Cubs have apparently told teams they’re willing to take offers on any player on the team this offseason in an effort to rebuild the farm system and compete in the future. As MLBTR says, Garza and Sean Marshall will draw a lot of interest. Some teams will a little interest in Carlos Marmol. Geovany Soto could be a big draw, especially if the Cubs wait for him to have his typically good even numbered year. They really don’t have a lot of other pieces that teams will show much interest in. Jeff Baker, Blake DeWitt and Darwin Barney might be attractive for small market teams or as depth on the bench for others. Tyler Colvin is kind of useless. The Cubs would require quite a haul in order to trade Starlin Castro so I think we can safely say he’s not available. If some team offered a ridiculous amount, sure, but that’s not likely. If this is true, I’d say it becomes more likely that Garza, Marshall and Marmol won’t be with the team after July 31st next year. Maybe not even when the season begins.
Comments
[quote name=Mish]I don’t know if “Yes” or “No” is the right answer to this…[/quote]The only solution is to refuse to answer
binkyQuote Reply
Terry Francona is going fishing in 2012. Officially official.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
RC’s Faceboook page said that Francona is officially sitting out in 2012.
MishQuote Reply
MishQuote Reply
[quote name=Mish]RC’s Faceboook page said that Francona is officially sitting out in 2012.[/quote]Calcaterra just blogged about it:
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/16/terry-francona-wont-manage-in-2012/
Rice CubeQuote Reply
I’d say there was a non-zero chance that even if they sign the two free agents, they’d keep Cashner in the bullpen for the time being so his arm doesn’t crap out from rushing him back too quickly (though I’m not an expert on that). Not sure what they’d do for Samardzija, probably give him a chance to show he can handle it in spring training before deciding. The idea of Wells moving to the bullpen has probably been broached before and I think that might not be a bad idea. So that means that there’s a chance they use Z as #4 or #5, but I don’t know how big that chance is.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
Capuano is an interesting guy for me because he misses bats. I think the Cubs absolutely have to prioritize guys who can miss bats, because it remains to be seen how much team defense can be improved this offseason.
Thing is, Capuano has really struggled with the long ball in his career. 1.18 HR/9 for his career, and 1.31 HR/9 last year while pitching his home games at Citi Field.
Jack NugentQuote Reply
Tito ————————> will not manage in 2012
http://www.csnne.com/baseball-boston-redsox/news/Francona-will-not-manage-in-2012?blockID=595118&feedID=3352
Smokestack LightningQuote Reply
Sorry about the threepeat on old news fellas, couldn’t see the comments.
Smokestack LightningQuote Reply
[quote name=Smokestack Lightning]Sorry about the threepeat on old news fellas, couldn’t see the comments.[/quote]It’s all good! Now we know it really is officially official! (dying laughing)
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=josh] Is this opposite day?[/quote]
Maybe
BerseliusQuote Reply
So, has anybody heard any news on whether or not Tito will be managing next year?
ACTQuote Reply
[quote name=mb21]What did Jeff Sullivan write?[/quote]
I’m not even sure, exactly (dying laughing). Tango wrote something about it a while ago and linked something from Sullivan (I think). I never got around to reading it since I was in the middle of a conference.
BerseliusQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]I’d say there was a non-zero chance that even if they sign the two free agents, they’d keep Cashner in the bullpen for the time being so his arm doesn’t crap out from rushing him back too quickly (though I’m not an expert on that). Not sure what they’d do for Samardzija, probably give him a chance to show he can handle it in spring training before deciding. The idea of Wells moving to the bullpen has probably been broached before and I think that might not be a bad idea. So that means that there’s a chance they use Z as #4 or #5, but I don’t know how big that chance is.[/quote]That’s possible, but he’s 25 years old at this point. I’d be surprised if the Cubs put him in relief and then at the age of 26 or later moved him into the rotation. It may just well be that Cashner can’t start. I’m not convinced he can.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=ACT]So, has anybody heard any news on whether or not Tito will be managing next year?[/quote]
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]I’m not even sure, exactly (dying laughing). Tango wrote something about it a while ago and linked something from Sullivan (I think). I never got around to reading it since I was in the middle of a conference.[/quote]I just did a search on his blog for Jeff Sullivan and only got a few results (latest was in August).
mb21Quote Reply
Here it is: http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2011/11/13/2560236/prince-fielder-and-the-seattle-mariners
mb21Quote Reply
Wasn’t sure if your PedState thread was still active:
http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/dish/201111/joepas-real-estate-move-raises-suspicious-eyebrows
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=Jack Nugent]Capuano is an interesting guy for me because he misses bats. I think the Cubs absolutely have to prioritize guys who can miss bats, because it remains to be seen how much team defense can be improved this offseason.
Thing is, Capuano has really struggled with the long ball in his career. 1.18 HR/9 for his career, and 1.31 HR/9 last year while pitching his home games at Citi Field.[/quote]I see more risk in the injuries than I do the home run rate to be honest. The HR rate is in some way factored into his projections. The injuries can’t be except in playing time projections, which in my opinion are best done by the fans of the team the guy is playing for. Even if we lowered his FIP a bit, I’d say he’s still at least a 1.5 WAR player over whatever innings I used above (150?). If I had to guess, that’s probably what he’ll be paid for since the injuries are a huge risk. So a two year deal projecting him to be worth 1.5 WAR and then 1.0 WAR or something similar. That’s, what, $12-14 million over two years?
I wouldn’t want to do the 2/20 that the projections say he’s worth so 2/12 would be a good deal in my opinion. Maybe he gets injured and is worth nothing, but if he reaches his projection it works out very nicely. If he could somehow stay healthy then it looks like a really good deal. That’s why I think we’ll see some type of third year option on the deal.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]Wasn’t sure if your PedState thread was still active:
http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/dish/201111/joepas-real-estate-move-raises-suspicious-eyebrows%5B/quote%5DIt is, RC. http://obstructedview.net/unobstructed-views/general/more-thoughts-on-the-psu-sex-scandal.html
mb21Quote Reply
I’m meh on Capuano, but I’ll admit it’s for non-quantifiable reasons. I never really liked him for some reason when he was a Brewer
BerseliusQuote Reply
I wasn’t his biggest fan either, b. He was always better than I gave him credit for being. Early on his career I remember him shutting down the Cubs and thinking, what the fuck just happened? Chris Capuano? Seriously? Then it happened again and again. It reminds me of Wandy Rodriguez. Wandy has been better than Capuano, but when I first saw Wandy shut down the Cubs I was in disbelief. I still am.
By the way, what the hell would Cuey’s nickname for Wandy be?
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=mb21]
By the way, what the hell would Cuey’s nickname for Wandy be?[/quote]
‘Guez
Wands
Wanny
Roddy
Take your pick.
Aisle424Quote Reply
[quote name=mb21]
By the way, what the hell would Cuey’s nickname for Wandy be?[/quote]
I think the Cuey algorithm would suggest “Rods” as a suitable nickname.
Also:
(dying laughing)
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=Aisle424]’Guez
Wands
Wanny
Roddy
Take your pick.[/quote]GuezWandsWannyRoddy. It has a ring to it.
mb21Quote Reply
Say what you will about Quade, but I love how, when asked about the criticism he’s received for not playing the kids, he responded, “What kids?”
ACTQuote Reply
I hope that guy puts up our Christmas decorations. I hate that shit.
mb21Quote Reply
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=ACT]Say what you will about Quade, but I love how, when asked about the criticism he’s received for not playing the kids, he responded, “What kids?”[/quote]I agree with that. He never pretended this was a team with young stud prospects waiting in the wings to take over.
mb21Quote Reply
It’s Jerry the Dolphin:
(H/T RC)
Aisle424Quote Reply
[quote name=mb21]I hope that guy puts up our Christmas decorations. I hate that shit.[/quote]
My garage can use a painting.
Rodrigo RamirezQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]I think the Cuey algorithm would suggest “Rods” as a suitable nickname.
Also:
(dying laughing)[/quote]You can get high on bath salts?
binkyQuote Reply
[quote name=mb21]I wasn’t his biggest fan either, b. He was always better than I gave him credit for being. Early on his career I remember him shutting down the Cubs and thinking, what the fuck just happened? Chris Capuano? Seriously? Then it happened again and again. It reminds me of Wandy Rodriguez. Wandy has been better than Capuano, but when I first saw Wandy shut down the Cubs I was in disbelief. I still am.
[/quote]
Exactly. Capuano is a lesser member of the Wandy Rodriguez HOF
BerseliusQuote Reply
[quote name=Rodrigo Ramirez]My garage can use a painting.[/quote]
Skip ahead to the 9:03 mark. Is there a way to do that automatically with a YouTube video? I can do it when I embed it in a post, but it doesn’t want to work when I put it in a comment.
Aisle424Quote Reply
[quote name=Aisle424]
Skip ahead to the 9:03 mark. Is there a way to do that automatically with a YouTube video? I can do it when I embed it in a post, but it doesn’t want to work when I put it in a comment.[/quote]I can skip ahead no problem.
“He oiled my roller skates yesterday.” Archaeologists of the future will believe this HAS to be a sexual innuendo.
binkyQuote Reply
[quote name=Aisle424]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcT5bT7dyeM
Skip ahead to the 9:03 mark. Is there a way to do that automatically with a YouTube video? I can do it when I embed it in a post, but it doesn’t want to work when I put it in a comment.[/quote]
(dying laughing) thanks for that
Rodrigo RamirezQuote Reply
Your daily dose of Tebow:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/John-Fox-Tim-Tebow-would-be-8216-screwed-821?urn=nfl-wp11923
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=josh]You can get high on bath salts?[/quote]Only way to know for sure is to try it. If your christmas decorations are up, it works.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=Aisle424]It’s Jerry the Dolphin:
(H/T RC)[/quote]…and almost (in)appropriately, there’s a guy standing around doing nothing to stop the rape!
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=Aisle424]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcT5bT7dyeM
Skip ahead to the 9:03 mark. Is there a way to do that automatically with a YouTube video? I can do it when I embed it in a post, but it doesn’t want to work when I put it in a comment.[/quote]How the hell did you remember that? Great episode.
I don’t think you can embed a video to a certain point in the comments.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=josh]You can get high on bath salts?[/quote]Maybe it says too much about me, but that was my first thought too.
Say, is that a clip from A Very Special Episode of “Family Ties” where Alex takes OTC diet pills to study and immediately turns into a babbling freak? I’d say I miss the ’80s, but that would be a lie.
uncle daveQuote Reply
Maddon/Gibson —–> MoY
MishQuote Reply
[quote name=Aisle424]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcT5bT7dyeM
Skip ahead to the 9:03 mark. Is there a way to do that automatically with a YouTube video? I can do it when I embed it in a post, but it doesn’t want to work when I put it in a comment.[/quote]Like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcT5bT7dyeM&t=9m3s
ACTQuote Reply
[quote name=ACT]Like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcT5bT7dyeM&t=9m3s%5B/quote%5DNow let’s see if you can embed it…
That would be a negative.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
Nope, doesn’t work.
mb21Quote Reply
Guess it only works as a link.
ACTQuote Reply
[quote name=Mish]Maddon/Gibson —–> MoY[/quote]http://bbwaa.com/
Disappointing that Cuey didn’t get a single vote.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
type b compensation sticks around for this offseason
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=mb21]type b compensation sticks around for this offseason[/quote]Hooray draft picks! Now someone sign Rami and Pena so the Cubs don’t have to bother with arbitration 😛
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=mb21]type b compensation sticks around for this offseason[/quote]It’s not showing up on the Googles. Who said this? Was it grandfathered in?
Rice CubeQuote Reply
Brad with a piece at DRB about trading for Castro…
http://www.draysbay.com/2011/11/16/2566517/could-the-tampa-bay-rays-get-starlin-castro
MishQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]Hooray draft picks! Now someone sign Rami and Pena so the Cubs don’t have to bother with arbitration :-P[/quote]
i think it is safe to offer them both arbitration since I think they both will have multi-year offers. Pena is a bigger risk, but I think he played himself into a 2 or 3 year deal last year.
Aisle424Quote Reply
[quote name=mb21]How the hell did you remember that? Great episode.
I don’t think you can embed a video to a certain point in the comments.[/quote]
That line has always stuck out to me for some reason. Family Ties was a recent show I enjoyed.
Aisle424Quote Reply
[quote name=uncle dave]Maybe it says too much about me, but that was my first thought too.
Say, is that a clip from A Very Special Episode of “Family Ties” where Alex takes OTC diet pills to study and immediately turns into a babbling freak? I’d say I miss the ’80s, but that would be a lie.[/quote]
Yes it was. They only had 22 minutes to set up a major drug problem and solve it, so things had to move fast.
Still, as crappy 80s sitcoms went, I liked it. Michael J. Fox made it far more entertaining than it probably should have been, and I always thought Michael Gross did a great job of walking the line between stereotypical bumbling sitcom dad and a character that had actual useful qualities.
Aisle424Quote Reply
I’m going to guess Sveum gets the manager’s job at this point. I’ll bet $1 on it. Any takers? (dying laughing)
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=mb21]I’m going to guess Sveum gets the manager’s job at this point. I’ll bet $1 on it. Any takers? (dying laughing)[/quote]I’m going to guess Mike Maddux. If you win I’ll send you a dollar in pennies. If I win, I want this:
But I’ll probably pay for it in a few days anyway.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=Aisle424]Yes it was. They only had 22 minutes to set up a major drug problem and solve it, so things had to move fast.
Still, as crappy 80s sitcoms went, I liked it. Michael J. Fox made it far more entertaining than it probably should have been, and I always thought Michael Gross did a great job of walking the line between stereotypical bumbling sitcom dad and a character that had actual useful qualities.[/quote]Indeed. I’ve always blamed my brief flirtaton with the Republican party on Alex P. Keaton.
uncle daveQuote Reply
[quote name=Aisle424]i think it is safe to offer them both arbitration since I think they both will have multi-year offers. Pena is a bigger risk, but I think he played himself into a 2 or 3 year deal last year.[/quote]Yeah, I think they won’t offer arb until the deadline though just to see if either guy will sign first.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
Telander’s turn:
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/8858710-419/telander-giving-carlos-zambrano-another-chance-is-a-bad-idea.html
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]I’m going to guess Mike Maddux. If you win I’ll send you a dollar in pennies. If I win, I want this:
But I’ll probably pay for it in a few days anyway.[/quote]
You better order it fast. We can barely keep those things in stock.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=mb21]You better order it fast. We can barely keep those things in stock.[/quote]I’m guessing there will still be plenty of facepalm moments in the next year or so, plus I really like the logo.
By the way, where’d you hear that the CBA would allow Type B compensation for this offseason?
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]Telander’s turn:
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/8858710-419/telander-giving-carlos-zambrano-another-chance-is-a-bad-idea.html%5B/quote%5DThe next intelligent thing Rick Telander says will be the first.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=mb21]You better order it fast. We can barely keep those things in stock.[/quote]You guys get a dollar kickback from the purchase anyway right? I’ll just buy it and we’ll call it even (dying laughing)
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=mb21]You better order it fast. We can barely keep those things in stock.[/quote]False.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]I’m guessing there will still be plenty of facepalm moments in the next year or so, plus I really like the logo.[/quote]
That’s the old new logo. You want the new old logo.
WenningtonsGorillaCockQuote Reply
[quote name=ACT]Like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcT5bT7dyeM&t=9m3s%5B/quote%5DI misunderstood the question.
binkyQuote Reply
[quote name=WenningtonsGorillaCock]That’s the old new logo. You want the new old logo.[/quote]The new old logo that incorporates the old old logo with elements of the older new logo that became the old logo when the old old old logo was retired to new old newer old logo’s slightly altered format, thus paving the way to the new old logo?
binkyQuote Reply
[quote name=josh]The new old logo that incorporates the old old logo with elements of the older new logo that became the old logo when the old old old logo was retired to new old newer old logo’s slightly altered format, thus paving the way to the new old logo?[/quote]No, the other one.
WenningtonsGorillaCockQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]The next intelligent thing Rick Telander says will be the first.[/quote]To be honest, MO, you’re a dick. (dying laughing)
Suburban kid 22Quote Reply
[quote name=Suburban kid 22]To be honest, MO, you’re a dick. (dying laughing)[/quote]I can’t argue with you today.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Suburban kid 22]To be honest, MO, you’re a dick. (dying laughing)[/quote]
Correct.
Aisle424Quote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]I can’t argue with you today.[/quote]
False.
Aisle424Quote Reply
Snuh.
Aisle424Quote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]Telander’s turn:
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/8858710-419/telander-giving-carlos-zambrano-another-chance-is-a-bad-idea.html%5B/quote%5D“Maybe Milton Bradley will be next”
Yep, totally comparable situations.
binkyQuote Reply
[quote name=Aisle424]Correct.[/quote]I’m watching you.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Aisle424]False.[/quote]Don’t you like anything?
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Don’t you like anything?[/quote]Don’t you like anything?
Dont you like anything?Quote Reply
[quote name=Dont you like anything?]Don’t you like anything?[/quote]Dick.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]p-nis.[/quote]/tango
mb21Quote Reply
I always love it when authors put a dash in for a letter. We can still read it. F-ck is still fuck and every person who sees f-ck will read it as fuck. Fuck.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=mb21]I always love it when authors put a dash in for a letter. We can still read it. F-ck is still fuck and every person who sees f-ck will read it as fuck. Fuck.[/quote]I always just assumed this was done to avoid filters or something. I’m reading a mid-80s science fiction book where the characters use the word “slick” as a substitute for “fuck” and “bulsh” instead of “bullshit.” That annoys me even more. Because I’m still doing the substitution, but it takes several instances before I realize what they’re saying. It’s like a bad joke.
binkyQuote Reply
[quote name=josh]I always just assumed this was done to avoid filters or something. I’m reading a mid-80s science fiction book where the characters use the word “slick” as a substitute for “fuck” and “bulsh” instead of “bullshit.” That annoys me even more. Because I’m still doing the substitution, but it takes several instances before I realize what they’re saying. It’s like a bad joke.[/quote]G- f-ck y—s-lf.
That’s some slick bulsh though.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
Speaking of Uncle Milton, the Rox apparently met with his agent.
binkyQuote Reply
More Dinner Gate 2011:
“Bruce Miles
Theo and Jed heading for dinner. They promised an update later this evening.”
WenningtonsGorillaCockQuote Reply
[quote name=WenningtonsGorillaCock]More Dinner Gate 2011:
“Bruce Miles
Theo and Jed heading for dinner. They promised an update later this evening.”[/quote]We are dying to know what they had for dessert.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
When Hendry talked about needing to get more left-handed the fans and media bashed him. Hoyer has said the same thing (in this interview: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111116&content_id=25985534&vkey=news_chc&c_id=chc&partnerId=rss_chc). It’s obvious the Cubs do need to be more left-handed. It was true when Hendry said and it’s true now.
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[quote name=mb21]When Hendry talked about needing to get more left-handed the fans and media bashed him. Hoyer has said the same thing (in this interview: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111116&content_id=25985534&vkey=news_chc&c_id=chc&partnerId=rss_chc). It’s obvious the Cubs do need to be more left-handed. It was true when Hendry said and it’s true now.[/quote]They must have gone to the Anti-Inigo Montoya School of General Managing…
But yeah, they need more lefty hitting.
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[quote name=Rice Cube]G- f-ck y—s-lf.
That’s some slick bulsh though.[/quote](dying laughing)
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http://muskat.mlblogs.com/2011/11/17/1116-cubs-to-see-cespedes/
Checking out the new Cuban sensation du jour this weekend. Also, Mike Maddux is building a house in Dallas so who knows what he’ll decide.
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Okay MB, looks like I’m gonna buy that OV mug and you will get your $1 bet in the cafepress kickback…
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[quote name=mb21]When Hendry talked about needing to get more left-handed the fans and media bashed him. Hoyer has said the same thing (in this interview: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111116&content_id=25985534&vkey=news_chc&c_id=chc&partnerId=rss_chc). It’s obvious the Cubs do need to be more left-handed. It was true when Hendry said and it’s true now.[/quote]I never disagreed with the position of acquiring more left handed bats. I admit I did feel a pang of loss at the time when DeRosa left, though. I think I was always just more wary of the fact that Milton Bradley was the guy chosen to supply that. Nothing against his playing ability, but at that point the only things I knew about him were injuries and craziness.
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[quote name=Rice Cube]http://muskat.mlblogs.com/2011/11/17/1116-cubs-to-see-cespedes/
Checking out the new Cuban sensation du jour this weekend. Also, Mike Maddux is building a house in Dallas so who knows what he’ll decide.[/quote]Maybe he’ll decide a nice pay raise will allow him to add that extra wing. Most of those guys live somewhere else in the off-season anyway.
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MIlton Bradley wasn’t really a left-handed bat, either. He was a switch-hitter who was much stronger from the right side.
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http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/7221/source-cubs-zeroing-on-a-manager-hire
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[quote name=ACT]MIlton Bradley wasn’t really a left-handed bat, either. He was a switch-hitter who was much stronger from the right side.[/quote]Well then wtf?
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[quote name=Rice Cube]http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/7221/source-cubs-zeroing-on-a-manager-hire[/quote]So we’re now in the 8th inning? (dying laughing)
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Sounds like it’s tied so there’s a good chance it goes into extra innings. Longest game ever.
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[quote name=mb21]Sounds like it’s tied so there’s a good chance it goes into extra innings. AKA length of a typical Red Sox-Yankees game.[/quote].
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[quote name=mb21]So we’re now in the 8th inning? (dying laughing)[/quote]
I think we’ve entered the seventh circle
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[quote name=Berselius]I think we’ve entered the seventh circle[/quote]So the Cubs are hiring Guido da Montefeltro?
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[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]So the Cubs are hiring Guido da Montefeltro?[/quote]
You never know.
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[quote name=Berselius]You never know.[/quote]It just might work.
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[quote name=Berselius]I think we’ve entered the seventh circle[/quote]Inner ring?
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[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]It just might work.[/quote]You are correct.
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[quote name=mb21]Inner ring?[/quote]FLAGGED
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[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]FLA-GED[/quote].
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[quote name=mb21].[/quote]Have you studied the complete history of profanity and censorship and become an expert in it? Well then don’t presume to correct me.
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[quote name=Rice Cube]http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/7221/source-cubs-zeroing-on-a-manager-hire[/quote]Okay, time for a close read:
[quote name=Levine]MILWAUKEE — The Chicago Cubs are zeroing in on the hiring of their next manager, a major league source told ESPNChicago.com Wednesday.[/quote]Could mean anything, so no real news there.
Already knew that, so no news there.
Okay, that’s not even a thing. It’s unclear if Tom Ricketts has proven the Riemann conjecture too. If he did, it would be news. But it’s not clear that he has, so it isn’t.
No news.
Wouldn’t be news even if it was new.
I am uncertain about Sveum’s command of the English language in the same way I am uncertain about Mackanin’s command of statistics.
No news. Except that apparently the fact that they also talked to Francona no longer counts (dying laughing).
No news.
What? Thoyer was in Milwaukee so that Sveum could interview for the Boston job? In… Milwaukee? This could be news if it made sense, but it certainly doesn’t as written. Good thing he buried it in the seventh paragraph.
Not news.
The Cubs may all pull actual triggers to kill themselves before the Red Sox name a manager. The earth may crash into the sun, also.
That’s nice. Hope he has a nice time in the Dominican.
Levine is bored and trying to meet a deadline here, so he found a source to say, or possibly just agree to someone else’s suggestion of, the word “zeroing”.
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^ That should’ve been a fanshot.
Sounds like Sveum is the guy…not yet officially official.
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We’ll see…
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[quote name=Rice Cube]^ That should’ve been a fanshot.
Sounds like Sveum is the guy…not yet officially official.[/quote]Correct.
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Heyman has been known to post conjecture as scoop. I’d be wary of him.
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Heyman and Rosenthal apparently both say that the Cubs offered the job to Sveum.
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Maddux is apparently out of the running due to family issues.
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I hope Sveum accepts.
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[quote name=Rice Cube]Heyman and Rosenthal apparently both say that the Cubs offered the job to Sveum.[/quote]He must have made quite an impression.
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[quote name=Rice Cube]We’ll see…[/quote]Wrong.
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[quote name=fang2415]Wrong.[/quote]Also wrong. (dying laughing)
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[quote name=fang2415]Wrong.[/quote]I can’t argue with you today.
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[quote name=ACT]Maddux is apparently out of the running due to family issues.[/quote]Via Muskat, which means it just might be true.
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[quote name=fang2415]Via Muskat, which means it just might be true.[/quote]It could go either way.
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[quote name=fang2415]Via Muskat, which means it just might be true.[/quote]I prefer to wait three months to find out the latest Cubs news.
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http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman/statuses/137014934029611009?_escaped_fragment_=/SI_JonHeyman/status/137014934029611009#!/SI_JonHeyman/status/137014934029611009
Nice nice
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I wonder if the Sox and Cubs will be targeting the same free agents, too.
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[quote name=Rice Cube]It could go either way.[/quote]Let’s See What Happens
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[quote name=ACT]I wonder if the Sox and Cubs will be targeting the same free agents, too.[/quote]Cherington was going to the D.R. the same time as McLeod to check out Cespedes. I think most of the MLB-ready guys are signed by the Red Sox but the Cubs snag the international free agents if Ricketts is cool with opening the pursestrings.
Just a hunch, don’t quote me on that.
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[quote name=Rice Cube]It could go either way.[/quote]It’s unknown whether what Muskat reported was news. The Cubs may do something different to what she reported. On the other hand, they may do the same thing as she said all along.
/Reporter’d
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Maybe Sveum wanted to stick around the midwest and also wasn’t a fan of how Boston threw everyone under the bus?
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[quote name=Rice Cube]Cherington was going to the D.R. the same time as McLeod to check out Cespedes. I think most of the MLB-ready guys are signed by the Red Sox but the Cubs snag the international free agents if Ricketts is cool with opening the pursestrings.
Just a hunch, don’t quote me on that.[/quote]Too late.
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[quote name=ACT]Too late.[/quote]F-ck!
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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/11/sveum-frontrunner-for-cubs-managerial-opening.html
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So… did anybody ever find a link to Sveum’s tryout interview?
I was underwhelmed by the short clips I saw, and my underwhelmment was increased by that stupid stalemate quote. Mind you, I’d much rather have a smart manager who sounds like an idiot than a stupid manager who sounds like a genius. But if Sveum accepts and he’s as bad as the clips made him sound, we could be in for some painful press conferences…
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Kap thinks Wood will be back. http://www.csnchicago.com/blog/cubs-talk/post/Kap-Wood-expected-to-return-to-Cubs?blockID=595626&feedID=619&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=br_chicubs
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[quote name=ACT]Kap thinks Wood will be back. http://www.csnchicago.com/blog/cubs-talk/post/Kap-Wood-expected-to-return-to-Cubs?blockID=595626&feedID=619&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=br_chicubs%5B/quote%5DThe two-year deal thing is new…maybe it’s a mascot fee.
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[quote name=Rice Cube]The two-year deal thing is new…maybe it’s a mascot fee.[/quote]
I wonder if the unspoken agreement that he’ll take over for Zonk down the road is still in effect. Though I guess that’s up to WGN, not the Cubs.
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Or better yet, bumping Brenly.
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[quote name=Rice Cube]Maybe Sveum wanted to stick around the midwest and also wasn’t a fan of how Boston threw everyone under the bus?[/quote]
It would be pretty funny if a bunch of candidates ducked the Red Sox job due to the Francona situation, just like the GM candidates who didn’t want to work for Angelos.
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[quote name=Berselius]Or better yet, bumping Brenly.[/quote]Yes. A thousand time yes. The sooner that bitter, carping asshat is off the air, the better.
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[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Yes. A thousand time yes. The sooner that bitter, carping asshat is off the air, the better.[/quote]
I just have no idea why the Superfriends didn’t interview him. Why, he knows the team well already!!
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[quote name=Berselius]I just have no idea why the Superfriends didn’t interview him. Why, he knows the team well already!![/quote]The Superfriends were looking for candidates with major league experience.
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I thought the announcers were employed by the team, not the networks. Could be wrong though.
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-1117-cubs-chicago–20111117,0,2056812.story
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I nominate Big Z for player/manager.
HG
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[quote name=fang2415]So… did anybody ever find a link to Sveum’s tryout interview?
I was underwhelmed by the short clips I saw, and my underwhelmment was increased by that stupid stalemate quote. Mind you, I’d much rather have a smart manager who sounds like an idiot than a stupid manager who sounds like a genius. But if Sveum accepts and he’s as bad as the clips made him sound, we could be in for some painful press conferences…[/quote]
Mr. Personality’s media session can be found here:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/videogallery/65932179/Sports/Sveum-Interviews-for-Cubs-Job
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Pretty sure Maddux pulled out because he despises that Go Cubs Go song.
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[quote name=Rodrigo Ramirez]I thought the announcers were employed by the team, not the networks. Could be wrong though.[/quote]I’m pretty sure the paycheck for Pat and Zonk comes straight from WGN. But the way the agreements the radio stations have to make with MLB (can’t live stream, etc.) maybe stipulates that the teams have input. I can’t find much online that really goes into it. I’m curious to know now.
Headlines this morning are all calling it for Sveum. I don’t know if he got the required 163 electoral votes, officially yet.
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[quote name=Dont you like anything?]Mr. Personality’s media session can be found here:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/videogallery/65932179/Sports/Sveum-Interviews-for-Cubs-Job%5B/quote%5DI don’t know if you can judge a guy just based on that. Lots of smart people aren’t used to talking in front of groups. Thinking and talking on the fly is as much a skill you have to learn as fielding and hitting.
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[quote name=josh]I don’t know if you can judge a guy just based on that. Lots of smart people aren’t used to talking in front of groups. Thinking and talking on the fly is as much a skill you have to learn as fielding and hitting.[/quote]Of course.
It’s funny, though, in the paper he talked about going about his work without any emotion, being stoic, etc., and in this video he says his personality is one of his assets. I’m guessing his people-management skills, willingness to work with others (i.e. front office) and try new things, baseball knowledge, and hunger for winning are probably bigger assets than his personality. (dying laughing)
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[quote name=Suburbankid 22]Of course.
It’s funny, though, in the paper he talked about going about his work without any emotion, being stoic, etc., and in this video he says his personality is one of his assets. I’m guessing his people-management skills, willingness to work with others (i.e. front office) and try new things, baseball knowledge, and hunger for winning are probably bigger assets than his personality. (dying laughing)[/quote]They’re just trying to steal the Brewer’s secrets to winning.
“So after we hire Braun and Fielder, then what? That’s it? …….shit.”
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_five#Variations
I appreciate whoever took the time to add these illustrations (dying laughing)
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If Sveum is the manager I think the Cubs came away with the candidate that can best understand the front office and the direction they’re going (more analytical).
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[quote name=mb21]If Sveum is the manager I think the Cubs came away with the candidate that can best understand the front office and the direction they’re going (more analytical).[/quote]I think so too. Obviously Theo and Ben Cherington had discussed him before, since both went after him, so he probably had his eye on him for awhile.
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I think it’s hilarious that Aramis’s agent said he won’t consider the Cubs because he wants a ring, given the early predictions of him going to the Orioles.
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[quote name=josh]I think it’s hilarious that Aramis’s agent said he won’t consider the Cubs because he wants a ring, given the early predictions of him going to the Orioles.[/quote]At least he can DH there.
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[quote name=Rice Cube]At least he can DH there.[/quote]But he won’t get a ring any faster in Baltimore. At least the Cubs have some future hope.
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[quote name=josh]But he won’t get a ring any faster in Baltimore. At least the Cubs have some future hope.[/quote]I would be surprised if he went to Baltimore actually.
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I wonder whatever happened to Elaine Tackley.
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[quote name=Rice Cube]I would be surprised if he went to Baltimore actually.[/quote]MLBTR’s top 4 predictions were
1) The Cubs
2) The Orioles
3) The Tigers
4) The Angels
Of those, we’ve now ruled out #1. If he really is going for a ring and not a paycheck, we can rule out #2. #3 & #4 are at least somewhat possible. #3 has V-Mart as their DH through 2014, and #4 has Bobby Abreu. Aramis could potentially be an upgrade over either one, but especially Abreu.
Maybe a dark horse like the Rockies? They were in the mix this year until they fell off the map at the end.
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[quote name=Suburbankid 22]I wonder whatever happened to Elaine Tackley.[/quote]The hippie to his left has no name.
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[quote name=josh]The hippie to his left has no name.[/quote]Or is that Lance Thompson? WTF is with that layout?
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[quote name=josh]Or is that Lance Thompson? WT- is with that layout?[/quote]
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Dale Sveum’s nicknaming process will involve no audible variation on names, he’ll just change the spellings to throw people off.
Mjarlon
Rczeed
Castxvo
Khazhzner
But Matt Szczur will make the team out of spring training and be nicknamed CZ.
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[quote name=Mish]Brad with a piece at DRB about trading for Castro…
http://www.draysbay.com/2011/11/16/2566517/could-the-tampa-bay-rays-get-starlin-castro%5B/quote%5D
I think there is a flaw in the analysis here. I know WAR is a counting stat, so however you get wins is the same. But there is something to be said for racking up a lot of war in one position player, from a roster construction point of view. You’d rather have one great player than two decent ones. You also have more certainty with ML projections when you’re dealing with a guy who has played two full seasons at the big league level compared to guys who have been in AA or AAA. There has to be an uncertainty discount in trades involving minor league guys.
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[quote name=ACT]http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-1117-cubs-chicago–20111117,0,2056812.story[/quote]
Wat. Do they not let Rogers have his own email address?
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[quote name=fang2415]Wat. Do they not let Rogers have his own email address?[/quote]
You have to contact him through his dog.
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[quote name=Suburbankid 22]I wonder whatever happened to Elaine Tackley.[/quote](dying laughing). I was wondering that too.
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[quote name=Berselius]You have to contact him through his dog.[/quote]That’s ridiculous, the dog’s busy enough as his fact checker.
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[quote name=26.2cubsfan]I think there is a flaw in the analysis here. I know WAR is a counting stat, so however you get wins is the same. But there is something to be said for racking up a lot of war in one position player, from a roster construction point of view. You’d rather have one great player than two decent ones. You also have more certainty with ML projections when you’re dealing with a guy who has played two full seasons at the big league level compared to guys who have been in AA or AAA. There has to be an uncertainty discount in trades involving minor league guys.[/quote]
Even as a Rays homer, I wouldn’t do this deal if I was being tortured into doing so. And I like Alex Cobb a lot.
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(dying laughing)
(dying laughing)
(dying laughing)
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If only they worked in the TOOTBLANS too
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[quote name=Dont you like anything?]Mr. Personality’s media session can be found here:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/videogallery/65932179/Sports/Sveum-Interviews-for-Cubs-Job%5B/quote%5DYeah, I think that’s the clip I saw before. So I’m guessing the full grilling isn’t on the web anywhere…
I’d like to hear him say something about how he approaches analytical stuff. I keep hearing how he has an analytical approach, but all those clips just have him talking about how big leaguers respect each other and whatever.
I’d like to agree with MB that the Cubs have scored a sharp analytical mind here, but I have nothing to go on other than a few articles that say that some people consider him to be an analytical guy. I just have to hope that they’re not hiring him because of his public speaking ability.
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[quote name=Berselius]If only they worked in the TOOTBLANs too[/quote]The TOOTBLANS would be far superior. That video as it is could be anybody. Take any infielder’s errors, throw in some slow-mo replays, and it will look like that. But Theriot’s TOOTBLANs are works of art.
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[quote name=josh]The hippie to his left has no name.[/quote]Names are what the man uses to keep you down, man.
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[quote name=Berselius]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMv9Vls7mRg
(dying laughing)
(dying laughing)
(dying laughing)[/quote]Hilarious. Theriots defense, according to [extremely flawed and entirely unreliable] UZR has taken a sharp nosedive the last two years. I once heard Pat Hughes angrily call Theriot “average” during a commercial break on MLB audio, when he didn’t realize his mike was on. Careerwise he’s -0.6 UZR, so Pat seems to have hit the nail on the head.
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[quote name=josh]The hippie to his left has no name.[/quote]
Of course the hippie is to his left.
/political talk
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[quote name=josh]The hippie to his left has no name.[/quote]He is the man with no name. Zapp Brannigan.
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[quote name=fang2415]Yeah, I think that’s the clip I saw before. So I’m guessing the full grilling isn’t on the web anywhere…
I’d like to hear him say something about how he approaches analytical stuff. I keep hearing how he has an analytical approach, but all those clips just have him talking about how big leaguers respect each other and whatever.
I’d like to agree with MB that the Cubs have scored a sharp analytical mind here, but I have nothing to go on other than a few articles that say that some people consider him to be an analytical guy. I just have to hope that they’re not hiring him because of his public speaking ability.[/quote]
Yes, I have nothing to go on either. However, I’d like to think that ANY person in any job of significant responsibility, including every MLB manager ever, is analytical. That is, they use their intelligence and experience to figure out what’s going on and what should happen for the good of the team in any given situation.
But I don’t think they need to be super stat analysts. Managers don’t have time, for starters. Plus, the decisions that can be made using advanced statistical analysis are probably more likely to be made in the front office rather than the dugout or clubhouse. I do like managers who consult splits and match-ups and all that shit, which makes sense. Managers live in a world of small sample sizes, the current season, and hot streaks. They don’t need to be focused on things like projections.
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I should have just said, Sveum could have a “sharp analytical mind” without actually being into stats. Just like Lou Piniella had a sharp analytical mind.
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[quote name=Berselius]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_five#Variations
I appreciate whoever took the time to add these illustrations (dying laughing)[/quote]I forgot that Dusty was in on the first ever high five.
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I saw the Buckner episode of Curb yesterday. I (dying laughing)ed.
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[quote name=Suburbankid 22]I forgot that Dusty was in on the first ever high five.[/quote]Is that a falsifiable claim?
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[quote name=False]Pretty sure Maddux pulled out because he despises that Go Cubs Go song.[/quote]I don’t think he claimed to hate the song per se. He said he hating hearing it as a visitor (i.e., it indicated a Cubs vicotory).
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0:12 is easily my favorite in the Theriot montage.
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[quote name=GBTS]0:12 is easily my favorite in the Theriot montage.[/quote]I love the one where he lamely rolls the ball to 2b after a blown play.
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[quote name=26.2cubsfan]I think there is a flaw in the analysis here. I know WAR is a counting stat, so however you get wins is the same. But there is something to be said for racking up a lot of war in one position player, from a roster construction point of view. You’d rather have one great player than two decent ones. You also have more certainty with ML projections when you’re dealing with a guy who has played two full seasons at the big league level compared to guys who have been in AA or AAA. There has to be an uncertainty discount in trades involving minor league guys.[/quote]I agree. I’m open to trading Castro, but I’m not sure a proper analysis can be done with regards to how much he’s worth. For one thing, we don’t really know what Castro can do yet. If he improves defensively he’s an all-star. If he hits for more power he’s an all-star. By all-star I’m talking 4 WAR. If he can do both he’s a super star.
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[quote name=Berselius]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMv9Vls7mRg
(dying laughing)
(dying laughing)
(dying laughing)[/quote]All I know is that when he was the starting shortstop, the Cardinals were in first place. It is what it is.
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[quote name=fang2415]Yeah, I think that’s the clip I saw before. So I’m guessing the full grilling isn’t on the web anywhere…
I’d like to hear him say something about how he approaches analytical stuff. I keep hearing how he has an analytical approach, but all those clips just have him talking about how big leaguers respect each other and whatever.
I’d like to agree with MB that the Cubs have scored a sharp analytical mind here, but I have nothing to go on other than a few articles that say that some people consider him to be an analytical guy. I just have to hope that they’re not hiring him because of his public speaking ability.[/quote]I think being analytical is just a plus. Sveum wouldn’t be hired if he was closed minded. If the Cubs go tell him that him that a 6-12 against pitcher A isn’t predictive of what will happen in the next 4 at-bats, he’ll listen. That’s all I really care about with regards to this subject. The most important thing for a manager has been and always will be gaining the trust and respect of his players.
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[quote name=ACT]All I know is that when he was the starting shortstop, the Cardinals were in first place. It is what it is.[/quote]And when he wasn’t the starting SS the Cardinals won the World Series.
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[quote name=ACT]All I know is that when he was the starting shortstop, the Cardinals were in first place. It is what it is.[/quote]That’s because he helped boost morale after games by being the victim of the Gomer Pyle soap-in-a-sock gauntlet.
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[quote name=mb21]I think being analytical is just a plus. Sveum wouldn’t be hired if he was closed minded. If the Cubs go tell him that him that a 6-12 against pitcher A isn’t predictive of what will happen in the next 4 at-bats, he’ll listen. That’s all I really care about with regards to this subject. The most important thing for a manager has been and always will be gaining the trust and respect of his players.[/quote]I can only assume Alomar didn’t want the job. That or he’s the dumbest man alive. His post-interview comments were the equivalent of walking out of an interview with Boeing and saying how much you hate airplanes.
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[quote name=AndCounting]The TOOTBLANS would be far superior. That video as it is could be anybody. Take any infielder’s errors, throw in some slow-mo replays, and it will look like that. But Theriot’s TOOTBLANs are works of art.[/quote]I agree…after the first minute I turned it off because it was just so embarrassing, but I can always laugh at TOOTBLANs.
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[quote name=mb21]And when he wasn’t the starting SS the Cardinals won the World Series.[/quote]Does that mean that if the Cubs traded for an upgrade at SS in ’07 or ’08, they would have won the World Series?
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[quote name=ACT]Does that mean that if the Cubs traded for an upgrade at SS in ’07 or ’08, they would have won the World Series?[/quote]If only Nomar hadn’t broken…
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[quote name=ACT]Does that mean that if the Cubs traded for an upgrade at SS in ’07 or ’08, they would have won the World Series?[/quote]It might not have hurt.
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Since I don’t read every word, I just read that Sveum is likely to accept the Cubs job if the choice was between Chicago and Boston, but is waiting to see if Boston still gives him an offer…
http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/7244960/chicago-cubs-offer-dale-sveum-managerial-job-source-says
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[quote name=ACT]I don’t think he claimed to hate the song per se. He said he hating hearing it as a visitor (i.e., it indicated a Cubs vicotory).[/quote]I remember him using the word “despise”, but then he quickly qualified it, probably after seeing the beat writers lick their lips and rub their hands together.
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[quote name=mb21]I think being analytical is just a plus. Sveum wouldn’t be hired if he was closed minded. If the Cubs go tell him that him that a 6-12 against pitcher A isn’t predictive of what will happen in the next 4 at-bats, he’ll listen. That’s all I really care about with regards to this subject. The most important thing for a manager has been and always will be gaining the trust and respect of his players.[/quote]Not to mention keeping the media off their backs, but I guess that can be considered part of that.
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[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]I can only assume Alomar didn’t want the job. That or he’s the dumbest man alive. His post-interview comments were the equivalent of walking out of an interview with Boeing and saying how much you hate airplanes.[/quote]I think it was an elaborate ploy to show off his knowledge of game theory. They’d never expect it, like bunting with two outs in the bottom of the ninth. Gotta keep your opponents on their toes (dying laughing).
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[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]I can only assume Alomar didn’t want the job. That or he’s the dumbest man alive. His post-interview comments were the equivalent of walking out of an interview with Boeing and saying how much you hate airplanes.[/quote]Alomar could be philosophically anti-stats, but a good leader and good at making sound decisions intuitively, or something. I’m just speculating.
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[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]I can only assume Alomar didn’t want the job. That or he’s the dumbest man alive. His post-interview comments were the equivalent of walking out of an interview with Boeing and saying how much you hate airplanes.[/quote]Yep. He lost the job no later than his comments in that press conference. He probably lost it during the interview. Who interviews with an analytical front office and basically says they hate numbers? Even MacKinan tried to throw some advanced stats in along the way.
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http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/17/do-the-red-sox-have-any-idea-what-theyre-doing-in-their-managerial-search/
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[quote name=Berselius]Not to mention keeping the media off their backs, but I guess that can be considered part of that.[/quote]Yeah, I agree. To be honest, being analytical is pretty far down the list of what I want in a manager. If I had to put it in some ordered list it might look like this (off the top of my head)
1. Can gain respect of players, communicates well with them
2. Open minded (might be 1A rather than 2)
3. understanding of statistics or some analytical background
I wouldn’t hire a manager if he couldn’t gain the respect of the players, wasn’t a good leader and wasn’t open minded. I couldn’t care less if he understands statistics. If he’s open minded he’ll listen to what the stats guys tell him.
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[quote name=mb21]Yep. He lost the job no later than his comments in that press conference. He probably lost it during the interview. Who interviews with an analytical front office and basically says they hate numbers? Even MacKinan tried to throw some advanced stats in along the way.[/quote]Just rewatching the Alomar post-interview interview, he says, basically, that sometimes you might tempted by a favorable matchup (this guy has done well against this pitcher in the past) in the heat of the moment, but that you can’t just rely on stats to make [in-game] decisions. It didn’t sound like he was totally anti-numbers to me. In fact, the “he has hit Halladay well in 4 at-bats” school of thinking is what we’re trying to move away from, right? So he’s a good strategist, a former catcher, a natural leader. Not a horrible choice is all I’m saying, but probably not exactly what they were looking for.
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What an asshole!
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[quote name=josh]Alomar could be philosophically anti-stats, but a good leader and good at making sound decisions intuitively, or something. I’m just speculating.[/quote]Being anti-stats tells me he’s not willing to listen to people who have statistical information and that, in my opinion, should rule him out. I don’t expect a manager to have a win expectation chart in their wallet or make every decision that saberists agree with, but I do think it’s reasonable in this day and age that a manager listen to the new information and use it when he can.
I don’t want to take away from the manager the ability to make a decision on a hunch. i don’t think there’s much value in it, but that’s part of managing in baseball and you can’t take that away. You have to let the manager make some of the in-game decisions, but you also have to shape those in-game decisions in a more beneficial way to the team. I wasn’t present for the Alomar interview obviously and couldn’t make an educated decision based on a few clips after the interview. Maybe he was a lot different and he just said what he was trying to say poorly. If that’s true then I’m open to him getting the job. Based on what I heard though, I think it would be a mistake.
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[quote name=Berselius]I think it was an elaborate ploy to show off his knowledge of game theory. They’d never expect it, like bunting with two outs in the bottom of the ninth. Gotta keep your opponents on their toes (dying laughing).[/quote]F-cking Neifi Perez. Ugh.
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[quote name=Suburbankid 22]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gn2Lt0ldllI
What an asshole![/quote]
Yeah…I can’t argue with you today.
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[quote name=mb21]Being anti-stats tells me he’s not willing to listen to people who have statistical information and that, in my opinion, should rule him out. I don’t expect a manager to have a win expectation chart in their wallet or make every decision that saberists agree with, but I do think it’s reasonable in this day and age that a manager listen to the new information and use it when he can.
I don’t want to take away from the manager the ability to make a decision on a hunch. i don’t think there’s much value in it, but that’s part of managing in baseball and you can’t take that away. You have to let the manager make some of the in-game decisions, but you also have to shape those in-game decisions in a more beneficial way to the team. I wasn’t present for the Alomar interview obviously and couldn’t make an educated decision based on a few clips after the interview. Maybe he was a lot different and he just said what he was trying to say poorly. If that’s true then I’m open to him getting the job. Based on what I heard though, I think it would be a mistake.[/quote]I really think it was more of just saying it poorly. He talked about developing a game strategy, but that in the moment, you don’t have time to worry as much about numbers. That’s what I got out of it. That to me leaves open the possibility that he’s fine with consulting numbers guys to develop some strategies. That and the fact that the Superfriends wanted to interview him at all.
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[quote name=cdw]F-cking N–f- P-r-z. Ugh.[/quote]
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Awkward…
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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/11/mlb-will-add-two-wild-card-teams.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MlbTradeRumors+%28MLB+Trade+Rumors%29%5D
Meh. That one-game playoff before the real series starts, if that’s how they do it, is kind of a crappy idea, if you ask me. I guess it keeps one more group of fans interested for a couple extra weeks that might not have been otherwise (or might have been anyway, like with Atlanta and Boston).
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[quote name=mb21]If I had to put it in some ordered list it might look like this (off the top of my head)
1. Can gain respect of players, communicates well with them
2. Open minded (might be 1A rather than 2)
3. understanding of statistics or some analytical background
I wouldn’t hire a manager if he couldn’t gain the respect of the players, wasn’t a good leader and wasn’t open minded. I couldn’t care less if he understands statistics. If he’s open minded he’ll listen to what the stats guys tell him.[/quote]I agree, but you’re forgetting that criteria #2 is only useful if the guy also has the ability to really understand the stuff that smart people tell him. I’m not very concerned about whether he already has a lot of stats knowledge, but I would be very concerned if he picked up new knowledge quickly and could make good use of it.
Based on the tryout interviews, for example, Mackanin and Alomar looked not-to-good on that front, whereas Maddux seemed to show real curiosity and an excitement to learn new stuff. Sveum didn’t seem to show anything about it at all, which is maybe good enough. (dying laughing)
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[quote name=fang2415]I agree, but you’re forgetting that criteria #2 is only useful if the guy also has the ability to really understand the stuff that smart people tell him. I’m not very concerned about whether he already has a lot of stats knowledge, but I would be very concerned if he picked up new knowledge quickly and could make good use of it.
Based on the tryout interviews, for example, Mackanin and Alomar looked not-to-good on that front, whereas Maddux seemed to show real curiosity and an excitement to learn new stuff. Sveum didn’t seem to show anything about it at all, which is maybe good enough. (dying laughing)[/quote]That’s a lot to try to infer about someone based on a single television interview.
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Awkward…[/quote](dying laughing). “I deserved that.” (dying laughing)
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[quote name=josh]That’s a lot to try to infer about someone based on a single television interview.[/quote]Meh, a little, but I don’t think it’s crazy. Mackanin sounded like a guy who heard about some new stuff, had no clue what the point of it was, but tried to pretend that he got the gist when he didn’t. Alomar sounded like a guy who heard new stuff and knew instantly that it was bullshit and that he knew better. Maddux sounded like he got a real kick out of it, knew he had a lot to learn, and couldn’t wait to ask more questions. And Sveum didn’t talk about it in the clips I heard.
Of course I wouldn’t actually hire a guy based on clips of a press interview, but assuming they didn’t say something completely different over the previous five hours, I’d rank Maddux, Mackanin, and Alomar in that order. Sveum I have no clue about, so I have to assume that he did actually say something different over the previous five hours. (dying laughing)
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[quote name=josh]That’s a lot to try to infer about someone based on a single television interview.[/quote]It would be quite funny though if the interview process was to lock the candidates alone in a dark, empty room for five hours, and then judge them entirely by what they said to the media afterwards.
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[quote name=fang2415]It would be quite funny though if the interview process was to lock the candidates alone in a dark, empty room for five hours, and then judge them entirely by what they said to the media afterwards.[/quote]I assume it would be along the lines of “JESUS CHRIST THANK YOU GUYS FOR SAVING ME. I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO DIE IN THERE!!”
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[quote name=fang2415]Meh, a little, but I don’t think it’s crazy. Mackanin sounded like a guy who heard about some new stuff, had no clue what the point of it was, but tried to pretend that he got the gist when he didn’t. Alomar sounded like a guy who heard new stuff and knew instantly that it was bullshit and that he knew better. Maddux sounded like he got a real kick out of it, knew he had a lot to learn, and couldn’t wait to ask more questions. And Sveum didn’t talk about it in the clips I heard.
Of course I wouldn’t actually hire a guy based on clips of a press interview, but assuming they didn’t say something completely different over the previous five hours, I’d rank Maddux, Mackanin, and Alomar in that order. Sveum I have no clue about, so I have to assume that he did actually say something different over the previous five hours. (dying laughing)[/quote]I don’t know. You could interpret Maddux’s reaction as “Man, what a bunch of fucktards. I’m withdrawing my name as soon as humanly possible. I’m embarrassed to have been associated with this bullshit” And McKanin’s as “I know that shit so well I say it wrong and still do it right.” The smartest profs I had were always saying shit wrong.
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[quote name=josh]And McKanin’s as “I know that shit so well I say it wrong and still do it right.”[/quote]That’s almost as good a job interview strategy as the Boeing thing.
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If we can use Tom Thayer as an example. Dude’s been broadcasting Bears football on the radio for years. Extremely intelligent about football. Knows his shit backwards and forwards. Still stumbles over his words all the time. Speaking well is just a skill. Forming thoughts on the fly is a skill. I misrepresent myself all the time in job interviews because I get nervous and I’m terrible at talking about myself.
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[quote name=fang2415]That’s almost as good a job interview strategy as the Boeing thing.[/quote]Yeah, maybe. Not saying that he’s going to impress if he can’t articulate it, but that doesn’t mean its fair to say he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
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[quote name=josh]I don’t know. You could interpret Maddux’s reaction as “Man, what a bunch of fucktards. I’m withdrawing my name as soon as humanly possible. I’m embarrassed to have been associated with this bullshit” And McKanin’s as “I know that shit so well I say it wrong and still do it right.” The smartest profs I had were always saying shit wrong.[/quote]You could be right about Maddux though. I may just be trying to like him because he’s funny.
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Ugh. I really don’t care this much. I just like to argue.
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[quote name=fang2415]You could be right about Maddux though. I may just be trying to like him because he’s funny.[/quote]Maddux does come across as the most intelligent, after rewatching them. But it looks like it’s Sveum for sure.
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[quote name=josh]Yeah, maybe. Not saying that he’s going to impress if he can’t articulate it, but that doesn’t mean its fair to say he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.[/quote]Job interviews are pretty inefficient for that reason, I think. Which is why this interview process seemed pretty good. But I get the sense that it still involved talking and communicating a thought process.
I suppose it’s possible that they discovered that Mackanin actually understands SIERA, WRC+, and WPA/LI perfectly but can’t express it verbally. He just says “Ug, put in reliever, ug.” and gets it right every single time. (dying laughing)
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[quote name=josh]Ugh. I really don’t care this much. I just like to argue.[/quote]I can argue with you today.
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Given that they’re hiring a guy with 16 days managing experience, it looks like they just didn’t like Sandberg for their own reasons.[quote name=fang2415]Job interviews are pretty inefficient for that reason, I think. Which is why this interview process seemed pretty good. But I get the sense that it still involved talking and communicating a thought process.
I suppose it’s possible that they discovered that Mackanin actually understands SIERA, WRC+, and WPA/LI perfectly but can’t express it verbally. He just says “Ug, put in reliever, ug.” and gets it right every single time. (dying laughing)[/quote]He’s the rainman of baseball analytics. Definitely. Definitely pull the starter.
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[quote name=josh]Maddux does come across as the most intelligent, after rewatching them. But it looks like it’s Sveum for sure.[/quote]For some reason watching Sveum feels like watching somebody who’s been hit in the head too many times. It’s possible that that’s because he reminds me of one of my old swim coaches who, let’s just say, wasn’t the best at improving underperforming assets.
Again though, I agree that media handling should be low on the list, which I’d revise to:
1) Handles players
2) Open-minded
3) Learns good
4) Knows a lot (strategy, stats, whatever)
5) Handles media
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[quote name=josh]Given that they’re hiring a guy with 16 days managing experience, it looks like they just didn’t like Sandberg for their own reasons.[/quote]Yeah, I’m pretty sure they just didn’t want him around and made up some criteria that would exclude him. Although they did say it was big-league coaching, rather than managing at any level.
(dying laughing) I bet there are several of these in the world.
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http://twitter.com/#!/Kevin_Goldstein/status/137231901198000129
Ouch.
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[quote name=fang2415] let’s just say, wasn’t the best at improving underperforming assets.[/quote]
Is that a dick joke?
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So that is like the one yard line right?
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You know, with 11 years general managing experience between them, Jed Hoyer and Theo Epstein have combined to hire one manager in all that time. They really don’t know shit about this process. (dying laughing)
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Phil Roger’s Ass:
Sandberg ——-> Bo Sox
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-your-morning-phil-ryno-maddux-kershaw-20111117,0,2876398.story
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[quote name=WenningtonsGorillaCock]Is that a dick joke?[/quote]No, I didn’t swim at Penn State.
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[quote name=AndCounting]You know, with 11 years general managing experience between them, Jed Hoyer and Theo Epstein have combined to hire one manager in all that time. They really don’t know shit about this process. (dying laughing)[/quote]They need my help.
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[quote name=WenningtonsGorillaCock]Phil Roger’s Ass:
Sandberg ——-> Bo Sox
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-your-morning-phil-ryno-maddux-kershaw-20111117,0,2876398.story%5B/quote%5DI take it you mean that Rogers is pulling it out of his ass?
So… does that make that a dick joke?
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[quote name=ACT]http://twitter.com/#!/Kevin_Goldstein/status/137231901198000129
Ouch.[/quote]Good lord. That’s so fucking convoluted it doesn’t rise to level of either a joke or an insult.
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Via Fangraphs, here’s an 85-year-old article that advocates replacing batting average with something resembling linear weights: http://www.la84foundation.org/SportsLibrary/BBM/1916/bbm165j.pdf
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Kershaw —> NL Cy Young
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[quote name=Rice Cube]Kershaw —> NL Cy Young[/quote]Halladay wuz robb-ed!
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[quote name=fang2415]I take it you mean that Rogers is pulling it out of his ass?
So… does that make that a dick joke?[/quote]
It does now.
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[quote name=Rice Cube]Kershaw —> NL Cy Young[/quote]I guess Roy Halladay just makes it look too easy. Or maybe they were afraid of having to rename it the Roy Halladay award.
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[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Halladay wuz robb-ed![/quote]Was the missing letter a “u”?
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[quote name=josh]I guess Roy Halladay just makes it look too easy. Or maybe they were afraid of having to rename it the Roy Halladay award.[/quote]They were really close in ERA/FIP/xFIP but I think the W/L record pushed him over. Plus, Halladay is not left-handed.
/Inigo’d
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Anyone got the full ballot so I could do some down-ballot bitching about how Ian Kennedy probably outranked a lot of better pitchers?
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Cannonball Titcomb
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/titcoca01.shtml
(dying laughing)
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[quote name=Rice Cube]Halladay was better in the stats that matter, so of course the BBWAA made the decision based on something completely arbitrary. Plus, Halladay is not left-handed.
/Inigo’d[/quote]
Fixed for typical baseball writer laziness and incompetence.
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[quote name=Mish]Anyone got the full ballot so I could do some down-ballot bitching about how Ian Kennedy probably outranked a lot of better pitchers?[/quote]http://bbwaa.com/
There ya go.
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Man, I keep forgetting Kershaw is 23. Damm.
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[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Fixed for typical baseball writer laziness and incompetence.[/quote]Clayton had more strikeouts, but Roy’s FIP was lower. Surprisingly, they had almost exactly the same number of innings pitched. Fangraphs has Roy beating out Clayton handily, though B-ref was closer, WARwise, with Roy still winning.
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[quote name=Mish]Man, I keep forgetting Kershaw is 23. Damm.[/quote]Yeah. He’s something special.
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[quote name=josh]Clayton had more strikeouts, but Roy’s FIP was lower. Surprisingly, they had almost exactly the same number of innings pitched. Fangraphs has Roy beating out Clayton handily, though B-ref was closer, WARwise, with Roy still winning.[/quote]I think Kershaw got his innings in one more start than Halladay. Which probably doesn’t mean all that much.
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I think it’s pretty impressive that Roy has maintained or even slightly improved past 30. Although Kershaw’s command is impressive, especially for a young guy. I still like Roy better.
EDIT: Going by WAR, Roy’s aging curve is actually upside down.
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[quote name=josh]Going by WAR, Roy’s aging curve is actually upside down.[/quote]So it’s smiling?
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[quote name=josh]I think it’s pretty impressive that Roy has maintained or even slightly improved past 30. Although Kershaw’s command is impressive, especially for a young guy. I still like Roy better.
EDIT: Going by WAR, Roy’s aging curve is actually upside down.[/quote]You mean like Barry Bonds? I won’t hold my breath waiting to see Roy’s face on the cover of Sports Illustrated as the face of a PED problem.
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Dale Sveum —> Cubs manager
RC —> OV store
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[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]You mean like Barry Bonds? I won’t hold my breath waiting to see Roy’s face on the cover of Sports Illustrated as the face of a PED problem.[/quote]His face does look different now than it did when he started. That’s all the evidence I need.
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[quote name=josh]His face does look different now than it did when he started. That’s all the evidence I need.[/quote]Growing a beard happens when you become a man.
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[quote name=josh]His face does look different now than it did when he started. That’s all the evidence I need.[/quote]Enhanced hair growth is clearly evidence of PED usage.
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[quote name=Rice Cube]Growing a beard happens when you are on the juice.[/quote]Fixed it myself.
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[quote name=Rice Cube]Growing a beard happens when you become a man.[/quote]False. He’s clearly overproducing testosterone.
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[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]False. He’s clearly overproducing testosterone.[/quote]
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[quote name=Rice Cube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiXaT_1I-vw[/quote]STUNT COCK!
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[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]STUNT COCK![/quote]Hey, how ya doin’?
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[quote name=Rice Cube]Dale Sveum —> Cubs manager
RC —> OV store[/quote]
Sveet.
http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/7246787/dale-sveum-accepts-offer-manage-chicago-cubs-sources-say
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So if the news conference is tomorrow and everyone’s in Milwaukee, do they stay in Milwaukee, or do they have to make a two hour drive to do it at Wrigley Field?
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[quote name=Smokestack Lightning]Sveet.
http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/7246787/dale-sveum-accepts-offer-manage-chicago-cubs-sources-say%5B/quote%5D
adjust the Superfriends logo to the new new logo
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[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]STUNT COCK![/quote]
Ziggy Sobotka approves
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[quote name=Berselius]Ziggy Sobotka approves[/quote]Fuck him. Worst character in the series, maybe in the history of television.
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[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Fuck him. Worst character in the series, maybe in the history of television.[/quote]
What do you have a against Ziggy? He’s a dumbass, but he’s supposed to be a dumbass. See also: Herc
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Wow. People are complaining the Kershaw’s win wasn’t unanimous.
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[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Fuck him. Worst character in the series, maybe in the history of television.[/quote]I have a friend who shares your hatred for Ziggy. The whole time I was watching the second season of the Wire, he kept emailing me and apologizing and telling me “It gets better.” I was more in B’s camp. He didn’t bother me that much, I guess, once we got past the dick flashing business.
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I hope the new sign generates more business for you, berselius.
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So what, no Tuesday presser? Dicks.
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[quote name=ACT]Via Fangraphs, here’s an 85-year-old article that advocates replacing batting average with something resembling linear weights: http://www.la84foundation.org/SportsLibrary/BBM/1916/bbm165j.pdf%5B/quote%5DThat F. C. LANE is a funsucker and should go stick his abacus in his buttocks.
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[quote name=josh]I have a friend who shares your hatred for Ziggy. The whole time I was watching the second season of the Wire, he kept emailing me and apologizing and telling me “It gets better.” I was more in B’s camp. He didn’t bother me that much, I guess, once we got past the dick flashing business.[/quote]
I love season 2. Frank Sobotka is one of my favorite characters on the whole show’s run.
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[quote name=WaLi]That F. C. LANE is a funsucker and should go stick his abacus in his buttocks.[/quote]I love how he works exchequer into the opening sentence.
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[quote name=Berselius]I love season 2. Frank Sobotka is one of my favorite characters on the whole show’s run.[/quote]
Ziggy is now on How to Make it in America- another HBO Original. Not as annoying as he was in the Wire.
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Ziggy reminds me of that annoying Lila bitch in season 2 of Dexter.
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The OV Fantasy Football league has one team at 7-3, one at 3-7, one at 6-4, one at 4-6, and 8 at 5-5 (dying laughing).
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[quote name=Berselius]I love season 2. Frank Sobotka is one of my favorite characters on the whole show’s run.[/quote]I loved Frank too. I was genuinely surprised and saddened when he (spoilers) got killed. Tragic accident.
binkyQuote Reply
According to bref, Sveum was 2.6 wins below replacement as a player.
ACTQuote Reply
[quote name=ACT]According to bref, Sveum was 2.6 wins below replacement as a player.[/quote]He broke his leg in a nasty collision and never really played well after that.
binkyQuote Reply
Miles reports that it’s a three year deal for Sveum with an option for a fourth.
BerseliusQuote Reply
New shit:
http://obstructedview.net/chicago-cubs/articles/cubs-hire-sveum-to-take-blame-for-stuff.html
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[quote name=Berselius]Miles reports that he’s read articles about it being a 3-year deal with an option for a 4th.[/quote].
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