When the Age of Theo was ushered in, we thought that certain Cub traits would be washed away as the Superfriends were assembled. Surely, we all agreed, paying for guys who had “intangibles” would be one of the first things out the door. Right?
Not so fast.
Bruce Miles, opting not to jump on the “Let’s make fun of Steve Bartman” Bandwagon, tweeted out a message that I assumed had to be a joke:
#Cubs appear ready to burn midnight oil deciding whether to tender Koyie Hill a contract.
Wait… what? I don’t get it, but it has to be a joke. Right? Right, Bruce?
@Aisle424 I don’t joke about such things
How in the hell is that possible? I’m sure he is a nice guy and all, but the answer to the question, “Do we re-sign the guy who made almost twice league minimum last year and cost the team almost a full win in one quarter of a season’s worth of plate appearances?” is: No.
This isn’t one of those questions that are nuanced and require a lot of study and thought. Even if you have never heard of Koyie Hill, you look up his Baseball-Reference page, scan it for approximately five seconds and conclude that, no, you shouldn’t re-sign this guy no matter how nice he is.
About the only question that is easier to answer in the negative is “Are you sexually attracted to young boys?” That’s about it.
So what the hell are Jed and Theo doing up there? What hidden inefficiency can Koyie possibly fill at a value? The way he performs on the field, the only value contract would be if Koyie paid the Cubs about $5 million for the opportunity to be on the roster.
Let’s not forget. Koyie is going to be 33 this year. He isn’t even young by Cubs prospect standards anymore. He is realistically only going to get WORSE if that is even humanly possible.
I can’t even fathom what they could possibly be discussing or debating unless Koyie has naked photographs of Tom Ricketts and his siblings together in Jerry Sandusky’s basement that he is threatening to release to the public.
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So far, the only “no” on the tender tracker is Will Rhymes: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/nontenders2012
ACTQuote Reply
It’s just a Tweet. Maybe it’s some insane plot to freak out the Cubs fan base before they nontender Koyie at 10:59 PM, which will ignite a city-wide celebration and allow us to sing Theo’s praises once again.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
yeah, this front office tendering koyie would certainly strain some of my assumptions about the world
GWQuote Reply
[quote name=ACT]So far, the only “no” on the tender tracker is Will Rhymes: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/nontenders2012%5B/quote%5DAlternatively it might be just Bruce Miles looking at this same MLBTR tracker and thinking what we’re all thinking, i.e. “What’s to decide?!”
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=GW]yeah, this front office tendering koyie would certainly strain some of my assumptions about the world[/quote]Koyie plans to tebow before his AB all year long, so obviously, logic and physics do not apply.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=GW]yeah, this front office tendering koyie would certainly strain some of my assumptions about the world[/quote]If they keep Koyie Hill we can assume 1) that Thoyer has little to no input on baseball decisions in Boston and 2) shit is going to get real ugly as they try to contend with a shitty farm system, shitty big league team and waiting for a good farm system to spend money. OV might print some Go for it in 2085 stickers.
mb21Quote Reply
Number of players non-tendered thus far: 1 (Will Rhymes)
I could just as easily say the Cubs are apparently also going to burn the midnight oil deciding whether or not to tender Matt Garza a contract.
Jess Settles RedshirtsQuote Reply
Bruce must be joking. I agree that Midnight Oil is one shitty band, but not even Koyie Hill’s contract should anger the Cubs enough to burn people alive.
WenningtonsGorillaCockQuote Reply
Another guess…
Theo and Jed are trying to figure out what Hendry saw in Koyie Hill that they are missing, but while running his numbers through Cubs-mine, the computer suffered a fatal error and they’re now on hold with tech support.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
He may not joke about such things, but he seems to be speculating here. Could be this is such a routine no-brainer that no one is too concerned with getting the paperwork filed until it absolutely must be done.
FalseQuote Reply
[quote name=Bruce Miles] @Aisle424 I don’t joke about such things[/quote]
(dying laughing)
(dying laughing)
[quote name=mb21]If they keep Koyie Hill we can assume 1) that Thoyer has little to no input on baseball decisions in Boston and 2) shit is going to get real ugly as they try to contend with a shitty farm system, shitty big league team and waiting for a good farm system to spend money. OV might print some Go for it in 2085 stickers.[/quote]
3) They’re going to play Soto a lot more than he has been and could give a shit about the backup catcher spot
4) They’re not big fans of Beef Castle and don’t feel like rearranging deck chairs
5) They’re big fans of Beef Castle and don’t want to waste a year of service time on a lost season
I’m not a huge Koyie fan and would love to see him go but the number of fucks given by me on how the decision goes is the same as the amount for the Rule 5 draft stuff last week.
BerseliusQuote Reply
Also, this is certainly true (dying laughing). Though since you probably mean the Cubs, it wasn’t Tom Ricketts and Crane Kenney who had a hard on for Koyie.
BerseliusQuote Reply
Luke Scott was nontendered. I’m sure he’s demanding to see his non-tender certificate.
BerseliusQuote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]3) They’re going to play Soto a lot more than he has been and could give a shit about the backup catcher spot
4) They’re not big fans of Beef Castle and don’t feel like rearranging deck chairs
5) They’re big fans of Beef Castle and don’t want to waste a year of service time on a lost season
I’m not a huge Koyie fan and would love to see him go but the number of fucks given by me on how the decision goes is the same as the amount for the Rule 5 draft stuff last week.[/quote]I’d agree except for the fact that Koyie would have to get at least 80% of his crazy ass salary from last year, right? I don’t care much about the backup catcher, but if he’s going to suck at tangibles as much as Koyie, he needs to get paid the minimum.
WrongQuote Reply
[quote name=Wrong]I’d agree except for the fact that Koyie would have to get at least 80% of his crazy ass salary from last year, right? I don’t care much about the backup catcher, but if he’s going to suck at tangibles as much as Koyie, he needs to get paid the minimum.[/quote]
Koyie made $850K last year, the minimum was somewhere around $500. I think the minimum salary went up in the new CBA.
BerseliusQuote Reply
[quote name=Wrong]I’d agree except for the fact that Koyie would have to get at least 80% of his crazy ass salary from last year, right? I don’t care much about the backup catcher, but if he’s going to suck at tangibles as much as Koyie, he needs to get paid the minimum.[/quote]
This.
Aisle424Quote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]Koyie made $850K last year, the minimum was somewhere around $500. I think the minimum salary went up in the new CBA.[/quote]Not quite $500K…somewhere around $484K with an increase to $500K later on. I think they’ll probably announce this closer to the deadline, when they actually want us to know 😛
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[quote name=Berselius]Koyie made $850K last year, the minimum was somewhere around $500. I think the minimum salary went up in the new CBA.[/quote]I thought he made more than that, but that’s just me. (dying laughing)
WrongQuote Reply
THen again, I really don’t want to see Koyie Hill in a Cubs uniform ever again.
Unless he’s a coach.
WrongQuote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]3) They’re going to play Soto a lot more than he has been and could give a shit about the backup catcher spot
4) They’re not big fans of Beef Castle and don’t feel like rearranging deck chairs
5) They’re big fans of Beef Castle and don’t want to waste a year of service time on a lost season
I’m not a huge Koyie fan and would love to see him go but the number of fucks given by me on how the decision goes is the same as the amount for the Rule 5 draft stuff last week.[/quote]It could also be that they think of Welington as more than a backup catcher, in which case, they want him to get regular plate appearances.
ACTQuote Reply
ALL GLORY TO KOYIE HILL
fang2415Quote Reply
This has to be a joke
RodrigoQuote Reply
It would be so Cub to hire three of the best minds in the game and have them turn into complete idiots on arrival.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
0 fucks given. I’m guessing everyone holds off on their non-tenders to the very last minute in case they can entice someone into a trade. Can’t hurt you to do it, so why not…
26.2cubsfanQuote Reply
[quote name=Jess Settles Redshirts]Number of players non-tendered thus far: 1 (Will Rhymes)
I could just as easily say the Cubs are apparently also going to burn the midnight oil deciding whether or not to tender Matt Garza a contract.[/quote]Yeah, that’s probably what it is.
Love the username.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=26.2cubsfan]0 fucks given. I’m guessing everyone holds off on their non-tenders to the very last minute in case they can entice someone into a trade. Can’t hurt you to do it, so why not…[/quote]Probably what’s going on. But at elast MIles isn’t trafficking in the Bartman stuff like that puny, slovenly handjob at the Tribune.
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Teams HAVE announced players they are not planning to tender contracts, so it does happen. I simply don’t understand why this wouldn’t be something they can just quickly cross off their to-do list and move on to not offering anything to John Grabow.
At the end of the day, as long as the don’t offer a contract I’m fine, but there is no excuse to waste a roster spot on Koyie Hill. Not a single reason. You might as well put me on the team.
Aisle424Quote Reply
(dying laughing), the Angels signed Jerome Fucking Williams to a one-year deal. I think he was out of MLB for nearly 5 years not long after he left the Cubs (dying laughing)
BerseliusQuote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]Also, this is certainly true (dying laughing). Though since you probably mean the Cubs, it wasn’t Tom Ricketts and Crane Kenney who had a hard on for Koyie.[/quote]The only thing I mean is that this would be the first time in their careers they’re involved with baseball related decisions.
There is no point whatsoever to tender Hill a contract. The number of fucks given doesn’t matter. Here are the questions that need to be asked:
1. Is Koyie Hill worth either the same pay or an increase in salary? If the answer is no, then you don’t tender him a contract. If the answer is yes, keep going.
2. Do the Cubs have any catcher on the 40-man roster who profiles as a backup and is as good or better than HIll while making less money? If the answer is yes you non-tender Kill. If the answer is no, keep going.
3. Can the Cubs acquire a backup catcher who is as good or better than Hill that would not earn more money? If the answer is yes you non-tender him. If the answer is no, keep going.
4. Is there any player in the Cubs farm system or is there any player available anywhere on this earth that could be converted to catcher? If the answer is yes, you non-tender Hill. If the answer is no, keep going.
5. Could one or both of Carlos Marmol and Randy Wells serve as the back-up catcher? If the answer is yes you non-tender Hill. If the answer is no, keep going.
6. Dis any player on the active roster play catcher at any point in their life? The answer to this one is yes. Game over.
(dying laughing)
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=26.2cubsfan]0 fucks given. I’m guessing everyone holds off on their non-tenders to the very last minute in case they can entice someone into a trade. Can’t hurt you to do it, so why not…[/quote]I agree, but let’s be honest, who on earth is going to trade for Koyie Hill? At this point it’s not a big deal, but if Thoyer are sitting around waiting to deal Hill, I’d suggest they spend their time being more productive.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=Wrong]I’d agree except for the fact that Koyie would have to get at least 80% of his crazy ass salary from last year, right? I don’t care much about the backup catcher, but if he’s going to suck at tangibles as much as Koyie, he needs to get paid the minimum.[/quote]This.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=ACT]It could also be that they think of Welington as more than a backup catcher, in which case, they want him to get regular plate appearances.[/quote]In that case, they have Steve Clevenger who has always profiled as a back-up catcher.
mb21Quote Reply
Maybe they’re trying to let Koyie down nicely so he doesn’t jump in front of a band saw.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=Aisle424]At the end of the day, as long as the don’t offer a contract I’m fine, but there is no excuse to waste a roster spot on Koyie Hill. Not a single reason. You might as well put me on the team.[/quote]Yep. You were right on when you said this:
About the only question that is easier to answer in the negative is “Are you sexually attracted to young boys?” That’s about it.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=Berselius](dying laughing), the Angels signed Jerome Fucking Williams to a one-year deal. I think he was out of MLB for nearly 5 years not long after he left the Cubs (dying laughing)[/quote]Just a minor league contract, right? The Angels have basically spent all their money so they’ve moved onto setting up their spring training team.
mb21Quote Reply
I’d also add that not caring about the Rule 5 is one thing, but not caring about what decisions are made is an entirely different thing. Talent changes hands in that draft. Elite talent has changed hands (Santana, Hamilton off the top of my head). How many people complained that the Cubs left Casey McGehee unprotected? I never had a problem with that decision because the Cubs were trying to win at that point and he’d never been that impressive anyway. Had they been in rebuild mode like they are now it would have been silly to not protect him.
If the only time you can give any fucks is if it’s a salary for millions, there are limited situations.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=mb21]Just a minor league contract, right? The Angels have basically spent all their money so they’ve moved onto setting up their spring training team.[/quote]
It’s a MLB deal. 850K + incentives
BerseliusQuote Reply
[quote name=mb21]I’d also add that not caring about the Rule 5 is one thing, but not caring about what decisions are made is an entirely different thing. Talent changes hands in that draft. Elite talent has changed hands (Santana, Hamilton off the top of my head). How many people complained that the Cubs left Casey McGehee unprotected? I never had a problem with that decision because the Cubs were trying to win at that point and he’d never been that impressive anyway. Had they been in rebuild mode like they are now it would have been silly to not protect him.
If the only time you can give any fucks is if it’s a salary for millions, there are limited situations.[/quote]
I think Santana and Hamilton IS the list (dying laughing). And it was pretty unusual circumstances for Hamilton.
BerseliusQuote Reply
I should skip dinner for forgetting about David Patton
BerseliusQuote Reply
[quote name=mb21]2. Do the Cubs have any catcher on the 40-man roster who profiles as a backup and is as good or better than HIll while making less money? If the answer is yes you non-tender, Kill. If the answer is no, keep going.
[/quote]fify
(dying laughing)
fang2415Quote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]It’s a MLB deal. 850K + incentives[/quote]What? I know the Angels signed Pujols and Wilson and have to be feeling pretty good about themselves, but can they turn back the clock?
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=mb21]What? I know the Angels signed Pujols and Wilson and have to be feeling pretty good about themselves, but can they turn back the clock?[/quote]
They had him last year, I guess he pitched well enough for them to tender him a contract.
BerseliusQuote Reply
[quote name=mb21]What? I know the Angels signed Pujols and Wilson and have to be feeling pretty good about themselves, but can they turn back the clock?[/quote]Moreno figured as long as he’d already dropped $325M on Pujols and Wilson, he might as well spend a little extra and get a time machine too.
fang2415Quote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]I think Santana and Hamilton IS the list (dying laughing). And it was pretty unusual circumstances for Hamilton.[/quote]But it’s not the list of players acquired in the Rule 5 who have been valuable. If valuable players weren’t found in this draft teams simply wouldn’t take part. Most of them do. Some of the teams who pick late don’t or will pick only one, but because there is value to be found teams take part in it. As long as the Cubs are going to take part in the draft I want them to make smart decisions. As long as the Rule 5 Draft exists, I want them to protect the players that are most valuable to them. Arguing about how big a deal this is misses the point. It’s obviously not a big deal. Losing McGehee wasn’t a big deal and it’s highly unlikely losing Flaherty will bite them in the ass. Not protecting McGehee made sense because they didn’t have the roster space. He had a .750ish OPS and was a poor fielder. Flaherty has an .800 OPS and is an average fielder. He’s probably better than average. He can play SS. Is it a costly decision? Most likely not, but that doesn’t mean it’s not a bad decision.
If the Cubs traded Starlin Castro for Vernon Wells it would be a bad decision. Even if Castro got hurt in spring training and never played again while Vernon Wells won the MVP. Still a horrible decision.
mb21Quote Reply
I thought they changed the Rule 5 rules a while ago in some way to basically ensure that stuff like Santana and Hamilton wouldn’t happen again? Changed the service time threshold at which you have to protect players, I think.
Cameron was bitching about it in one of those Fangraphs podcasts, about how the writers have to get up really early in the morning to cover it even though it hardly ever matters anyway. (dying laughing)
fang2415Quote Reply
Rodrigo’s deal contains a mutual option for a 4th year. Those options are generally pretty meaningless.
BerseliusQuote Reply
Cardinals got cash instead of the three (!) PBTNLs in the Rasmus deal
BerseliusQuote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]Cardinals got cash instead of the three (!) PBTNLs in the Rasmus deal[/quote]I would be (dying laughing) that they’re apparently keeping Schumaker, were it not for the headline of this article.
fang2415Quote Reply
[quote name=fang2415]I thought they changed the Rule 5 rules a while ago in some way to basically ensure that stuff like Santana and Hamilton wouldn’t happen again? Changed the service time threshold at which you have to protect players, I think.
Cameron was bitching about it in one of those Fangraphs podcasts, about how the writers have to get up really early in the morning to cover it even though it hardly ever matters anyway. (dying laughing)[/quote]They changed it from 3 years of minor league service time for players drafted or signed at 18 years of age or under and 4 years for 19 and older to 4 and 5.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=fang2415]I would be (dying laughing) that they’re apparently keeping Schumaker, were it not for the headline of this article.[/quote]Yeah, I assume if Koyie Hill is tendered a contract that every single arbitration eligible player would be tendered a contract. Seriously. If all I knew was Koyie HIll was tendered a contract (if that ends up being true) then I’d be left to assume that all players were tendered contracts.
mb21Quote Reply
Joe Saunders ——> non-tendered. That’s an even easier decision than Koyie, maybe even Theriot.
BerseliusQuote Reply
The D-Backs are going to try to re-sign him and Micah Owings.
ACTQuote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]Joe Saunders ——> non-tendered. That’s an even easier decision than Koyie, maybe even Theriot.[/quote]Saunders 2011 rWAR: 2.4
Hill 2011 rWAR: -.9
fang2415Quote Reply
Saunders likely arb salary was around $9m, and his peripherals are horrible. Even if Koyie gets tendered he should make less than $1m
BerseliusQuote Reply
McGehee ———-> Pirates
Jose Veras ———–> Brewers
McGehee on the Pirates just feels right.
BerseliusQuote Reply
Koyie ———-> nontendered, per Muskat
MB ———–> rage stroke suppressed (dying laughing)
BerseliusQuote Reply
[quote name=Gordo]Cubs non-tender popular backup C Koyie Hill; retain rights to other arb eligible players.[/quote]
(dying laughing)
BerseliusQuote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]Koyie ———-> nontendered, per Muskat
MB ———–> rage stroke suppressed (dying laughing)[/quote]
Aisle424Quote Reply
Yay.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
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Recalcitrant Blogger NateQuote Reply
The NFL HC Shitcan is filling up quickly. Tony Sparano gets the axe, rumors that Garrett and Reid could follow him.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Recalcitrant Blogger Nate].[/quote]Why do Cubs beat reporters think hitting HR is a bad thing?
Seriously. They repeatedly bash Carlos Zambrano for hitting HR. It’s so fucking bizarre. A player is being critcized for making a play that directly results in a run for his team and for this he is not praised, but actively, and for many years, critcized! So. Fucking. Stupid.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
pffffffffttt
Recalcitrant Blogger NateQuote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]Koyie ———-> nontendered, per Muskat
MB ———–> rage stroke suppressed (dying laughing)[/quote]Whew. And Bruce Miles crawls back into his hole.
fang2415Quote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]Koyie ———-> nontendered, per Muskat
MB ———–> rage stroke suppressed (dying laughing)[/quote]I wasn’t going to be mad. I mentioned that in another thread today. If they had tendered him a contract it just meant that I could go back to caring about Cubs baseball as much as I did before they hired Thoyer. There was no point in getting upset if they did that.
mb21Quote Reply
the bleacher nation dude said this. funny.
Recalcitrant Blogger NateQuote Reply
Last year, the Cubs were 24-36 in games he started.
ACTQuote Reply
The Cubs have a winning record in games that I have attended. By Muskat’s logic, I should be tendered a contract by the Chicago Cubs.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
Set rage phasers to “OBLITERATE:” http://www.tmz.com/2011/12/12/tim-tebow-god-pastor-wayne-hanson/#.TuauP2Mk67s
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
I guess this is kind of what it’ll feel like to be on a physics blog when somebody proves that neutrinos can’t travel faster than the speed of light after all.
fang2415Quote Reply
[quote name=fang2415]Whew. And Bruce Miles crawls back into his hole.[/quote]Apparently, by “midnight oil,” Bruce meant 8-ish. Maybe 9. (dying laughing)
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Apparently, by “midnight oil,” Bruce meant 8-ish. Maybe 9. (dying laughing)[/quote]
Maybe they made the decision somewhere over the Atlantic.
BerseliusQuote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]Maybe they made the decision somewhere over the Atlantic.[/quote]Perhaps. Koyie is a well known international man of mystery, and you want to tell people like that this kind of news in person.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
Or the Hall of Justice is in Greenland somewhere
BerseliusQuote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]Maybe they made the decision somewhere over the Atlantic.[/quote]Or they made the decision a few months ago at midnight and they just learned about it.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=mb21]Or they made the decision a few months ago at midnight and they just learned about it.[/quote]I assume all the Cubs news I get is 3 months old.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]Or the Hall of Justice is in Greenland somewhere[/quote]Maybe they all bought into a timeshare with Superman at the Fortress of Solitude up that-a-way.
/took nerd joke too far
Rice CubeQuote Reply
I thought fang pointing out earlier about Greinke’s agent issue was priceless. These Cubs sports guys know noting. At all. If it was actually possible to know less than nothing, they would.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=mb21]Or they made the decision a few months ago at midnight and they just learned about it.[/quote]
(dying laughing)
BerseliusQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]Maybe they all bought into a timeshare with Superman at the Fortress of Solitude up that-a-way.
/took nerd joke too far[/quote]
They built it as an extension to the Fortress for tax purposes. They even got public funding for it from the people of Greenland.
BerseliusQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]I assume all the Cubs news I get is 3 months old.[/quote]Bruce Levine isn’t yet aware of the fact that the Brewers won the division by 6 games. Signing Ramirez tipped the scales in their favor. Levine’s latest piece of information is from early in the 2011 season when the Brewers were struggling.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=mb21]I thought fang pointing out earlier about Greinke’s agent issue was priceless. These Cubs sports guys know noting. At all. If it was actually possible to know less than nothing, they would.[/quote]
?
BerseliusQuote Reply
[quote name=mb21]I thought fang pointing out earlier about Greinke’s agent issue was priceless. These Cubs sports guys know noting. At all. If it was actually possible to know less than nothing, they would.[/quote]They know that Zambrano hits HR. And they don’t like it one bit.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=mb21]Bruce Levine isn’t yet aware of the fact that the Brewers won the division by 6 games. Signing Ramirez tipped the scales in their favor. Levine’s latest piece of information is from early in the 2001 season when the Brewers were struggling.[/quote]
Fixed for accuracy
BerseliusQuote Reply
math people, what’s the answer? http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/comments/ryan_braun_and_bayes/
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]?[/quote]It was breathlessly reported by the local yokels that Greinke had fired his agent. Then fang found out Greinke did so about 3 months ago.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=mb21]math people, what’s the answer? http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/comments/ryan_braun_and_bayes/%5B/quote%5D42.
ACTQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]It was breathlessly reported by the local yokels that Greinke had fired his agent. Then fang found out Greinke did so about 3 months ago.[/quote]Before the 2011 season, right? (dying laughing)
mb21Quote Reply
Were Lake and Vitters on the 40-man last week? I thought there were like 6 spots open, but with Hill gone it looks like there are 36 left?
fang2415Quote Reply
[quote name=ACT]42.[/quote]You must be good at math. That didn’t take you long at all.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=mb21]Before the 2011 season, right? (dying laughing)[/quote]Yes, almost immediately after he was traded.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=fang2415]Were Lake and Vitters on the 40-man last week? I thought there were like 6 spots open, but with Hill gone it looks like there are 36 left?[/quote]Yeah they were. We had 34 when the offseason began. They added Jesus and Stewart. They also added Bianchi, whatever that Lendy dude’s name is and Casey Weathers. They got rid of Koyie Hill, DJ LeMahieu and Tyler Colvin.
mb21Quote Reply
This is kind of interesting:
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/12/wife-of-albert-pujols-tells-radio-show-the-city-of-st-louis-has-absolutely-been-deceived/
RodrigoQuote Reply
[quote name=fang2415]Were Lake and Vitters on the 40-man last week? I thought there were like 6 spots open, but with Hill gone it looks like there are 36 left?[/quote]The math here has broken my brain. (dying laughing)
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]It was breathlessly reported by the local yokels that Greinke had fired his agent. Then fang found out Greinke did so about 3 months ago.[/quote]Well, I am wearing my purple shirt today.
fang2415Quote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]The math here has broken my brain. (dying laughing)[/quote]Ask ACT. He knows the answer.
fang2415Quote Reply
[quote name=mb21]math people, what’s the answer? http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/comments/ryan_braun_and_bayes/%5B/quote%5D
You need to know a bit more, like how many people actually use.
BerseliusQuote Reply
If nobody is a user, you would expect 0.75 false positives per year (25 players on 30 teams, 1/1000 chance of false positive)
BerseliusQuote Reply
FWIW on the Greinke-agent thing, Crasnick just reported it along with other outlets like Hardball Talk.
RodrigoQuote Reply
No idea how reliable this guy is: http://twitter.com/#!/PPistone/status/146420929256361984
ACTQuote Reply
If, say, only a dozen players were juicing there would be 11.988 true positives, there would be about a 5% chance that Braun was innocent.
If only 6 players were juicing, then it would be about an 11% chance. But it’s tough to say unless you have an idea how prevalent the true positives are.
BerseliusQuote Reply
[quote name=ACT]No idea how reliable this guy is: http://twitter.com/#!/PPistone/status/146420929256361984%5B/quote%5D
I confident that if the Cubs do get him, he’ll only get 6-7 years guaranteed, and then 3-4 option years. Still a couple too many years for my tastes, given his size, but there’s not going to be another shot at a hitter of his ilk for a long time.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]I confident that if the Cubs do get him, he’ll only get 6-7 years guaranteed, and then 3-4 option years. Still a couple too many years for my tastes, given his size, but there’s not going to be another shot at a hitter of his ilk for a long time.[/quote]
The Brewers coming out means the market shrinks, whoever signs him could pay less in years and treasure.
BerseliusQuote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]The Brewers coming out means the market shrinks, whoever signs him could pay less in years and treasure.[/quote]Excellent…
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]The Brewers coming out means the market shrinks, whoever signs him could pay less in years and treasure.[/quote]Yeah, it would be nice to see the Cubs wait out both Boras and their competitors and get him at the price they want.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
The Mariners and Jays are also said to be pursuing Fielder. Some say the Rangers, but Ryan denies this.
ACTQuote Reply
[quote name=ACT]The Mariners and Jays are also said to be pursuing Fielder. Some say the Rangers, but Ryan denies this.[/quote]They’d probably just rotate between Mitch Moreland, Michael Young and Mike Napoli and still be okay at 1B.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
Mitch Moreland was close to replacement level last year.
ACTQuote Reply
Red Sox non-tendered Rich Hill. Any interest in a reunion?
Recalcitrant Blogger NateQuote Reply
[quote name=ACT]Mitch Moreland was close to replacement level last year.[/quote]How much was he paid? With Young and Napoli, I’m sure they can overcome his mediocrity and they won’t have to increase payroll too much to maintain the team they had that went to two consecutive World Series.
So I’m in the camp that thinks the Rangers don’t have a lot of incentive to sign Fielder.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=Recalcitrant Blogger Nate]Red Sox non-tendered Rich Hill. Any interest in a reunion?[/quote]He might be worth having around just so the Cubs have a pitcher with worse control than Marmol. Maybe make us appreciate Marmol more. (dying laughing)
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
Jeremy Hermida ————> non-tendered. Expect a feverish series of posts from Yellon.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
i am interested in saunders… at the right price
bubblesdachimpQuote Reply
also the fans are going to boo Rammy correct?
Pathetic
bubblesdachimpQuote Reply
Also i think it is more likely than not that Soriano comes back and that if he gets cut it happens in ST
bubblesdachimpQuote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]McGehee ———-> Pirates
Jose Veras ———–> Brewers
McGehee on the Pirates just feels right.[/quote]
It completes the circle of life.
With A-Ram either blocking or replacing him anywhere he goes, McGeeheehee goes to the only team that A-Ram definitely won’t be playing for in the future.
Suburban kid 22Quote Reply
[quote name=bubblesdachimp]also the fans are going to boo Rammy correct?
Pathetic[/quote]I was wondering about his reception too. I wasn’t thinking he’d be boo’d, but I was doubting he’d get the DeRosa treatment.
Suburban kid 22Quote Reply
[quote name=ACT]No idea how reliable this guy is: http://twitter.com/#!/PPistone/status/146420929256361984%5B/quote%5DIt would truly square all corners for the currently asymmetrical NLC infield landscape.
A-Ram ——>Brewers
McGeeheehee——-> Pirates
Fielder ——–> Cubs
It will be hilarious if Pena signs with MIL, PIT or STL.
Suburban kid 22Quote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]If nobody is a user, you would expect 0.75 false positives per year (25 players on 30 teams, 1/1000 chance of false positive)[/quote]What if the false positive rate is 7.5%? That’s the best estimate I’ve found online.
mb21Quote Reply
SK, about the only interest I’ve heard for Pena has been from the Cardinals and Brewers.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=mb21]math people, what’s the answer? http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/comments/ryan_braun_and_bayes/%5B/quote%5D
2 or 288.
Dr. Aneus TaintQuote Reply
Brian Kenny on the “eye test”:
H/T Tango
MishQuote Reply
[quote name=Suburban kid 22]It completes the circle of life.
With A-Ram either blocking or replacing him anywhere he goes, McGeeheehee goes to the only team that A-Ram definitely won’t be playing for in the future.[/quote][quote name=Suburban kid 22]It would truly square all corners for the currently asymmetrical NLC infield landscape.
A-Ram ——>Brewers
McGeeheehee——-> Pirates
Fielder ——–> Cubs
It will be hilarious if Pena signs with MIL, PIT or STL.[/quote]
Fuck y’all sabermetricians. Baseball geometrists FTW, yo.
Dr. ShapesQuote Reply
[quote name=mb21]What if the false positive rate is 7.5%? That’s the best estimate I’ve found online.[/quote]
Is is really that high? Which test are they talking about, the first or the second one? I think the second one used some kind of mass spectrometry to see the fake testosterone. It’s hard to get a false reading with that.
BerseliusQuote Reply
If that’s the case, then we’d bet getting upwards of 56 false positives a year. I find that hard to believe.
BerseliusQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Set rage phasers to “OBLITERATE:” http://www.tmz.com/2011/12/12/tim-tebow-god-pastor-wayne-hanson/#.TuauP2Mk67s%5B/quote%5DThe funniest part of this is that Marion Barber is one of the most fervent Christians on the Bears. You think if God was actively intervening in favor of Tebow, he’d pick a different scapegoat.
GBTSQuote Reply
Luke Scott, Joe Saunders ————> on the Cubs radar
BerseliusQuote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]If that’s the case, then we’d bet getting upwards of 56 false positives a year. I find that hard to believe.[/quote]Using my google machine for a minute I found this: http://steroidreport.com/2008/03/22/testosterone-epitestosterone-ratio-test-false-negatives-and-false-positives/
Not enough time to read it right now though.
mb21Quote Reply
new shit: http://obstructedview.net/chicago-cubs/articles/can-the-oliver-projected-standings-be-right.html
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]Luke Scott, Joe Saunders ————> on the Cubs radar[/quote]Luke Scott———–> won’t be happy with Illinois gun laws
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