Since Carlos Zambrano was traded two days ago I think all Cubs fans have wondered what it might mean for Alfonso Soriano. The Cubs were willing to eat almost all of Zambrano’s contract in trading him. We know that Tom Ricketts has given Theo the go ahead and clean house even if it it requires the team to send truckloads of money in doing so. Immediately after hearing of the trade I couldn’t help but think that Soriano’s days are numbered. Then again, I’ve been thinking that for awhile now so that’s nothing new. But then I re-read Theo’s comments about the Z trade and I think he tells us what we want to know.
“With respect to subsidizing some of Carlos’ contract, I think the concept of a sunk cost was something Tom (Ricketts) and I discussed at our very initial meeting,” Epstein said. “Tom showed a keen understanding of what that means. For better or worse, if you’re stuck paying $18 million for one year of Carlos Zambrano, and there is not a team willing to take him with any dollar relief whatsoever, then you have to decide were we better off with one year of Carlos at the $18 million paid, or are we better off paying the $18 million and getting a 25-year-old pitcher with three control years?” — Tribune
Let’s take Theo’s comments and change it a bit.
For better or worse, if you’re stuck paying $54 million for three years of Alfonso Soriano, and there is not a team willing to take him with any dollar relief whatsoever, then you have to decide were we better off with three years of Alfonso at $18 million per year paid, or are we better off paying the $18 million per year and getting talent in return?
I think we’d agree that the answer to that question is yes, the team would be better off getting talent in return. Whether or not any team is willing to take Soriano and give up anything is another question and not one I can answer. I don’t know if the Cubs trade Theo, but it seems clear to me that they’d be happy to do so if they can get anything of value in return. It also seems clear they aren’t just going to release him.
Theo also added a bit more about Soriano specifically since I started writing this.
“He also hit 26 home runs and drove in 88 runs last year,” Epstein said. “He’s a valuable offensive player, so it’s our responsibility as an organization to work with him and to get the best out of him.
“At some point in the future, if there’s a transaction that makes sense with any of our players that puts the Cubs in a better position moving forward, we are going to pursue it. But in respect to Alfonso, he has power and is an offensive contributor. We can work with him to get the best out of him and see where that takes us.”
I’d be surprised if the Cubs get any offer for Soriano. I’m even surprised some teams are apparently talking to the Cubs about him, but I’m guessing it’s more like if you want to release him we’ll take him and send you a box of donuts. So Soriano is likely staying put for the time being.
Perhaps that’s why we’ve heard rumors about the Cubs being interested in trading Marlon Byrd.
A good source tells me that the Cubs and Red Sox have indeed been discussing Marlon Byrd, who is under contract for 2012 at $6.5 million. The Cubs appear to be looking to save salary in the deal while picking up a lower-level, high upside type prospect. Byrd and the Red Sox have been connected for a couple weeks now.
I’m actually surprised the Cubs care much about salary relief at this point. Byrd is worth more than the $6.5 million he’ll be paid so he has surplus value even if the Cubs send no money in the deal, but with the new CBA it makes all the sense in the world to take the one advantage they have and send all the money he’s owed and get the best possible prospect in return. At least that’s what I hope they’re thinking. They should be thinking that.
Something Buster Olney said today has made the rounds and raised a few eyebrows.
No. 2: Many talent evaluators view Garza as a middle-of-the-rotation starter, rather than a No. 1 or No. 2. It might behoove the Cubs to keep Garza in the hope that he pitches well, so they can better market him in the weeks leading up to the July 31 trade deadline.
That just doesn’t seem right. Or is it? Fangraphs has become everyone’s favorite site for stats and it’s a great site. He ranked 13th in fWAR among starting pitchers last year. He ranked 8th in FIP, 11th in xFIP and 15th in SIERA. However, he was worth only 1.6 fWAR the year before. fWAR focuses only on defense independent pitching stats. It’s not an accurate measure of what actually happened.
rWAR looks at runs scored and includes things that fWAR does not. Garza’s 2.9 rWAR ranked 55th among pitchers last year. He was worth 2 rWAR the year before and a total of 7 the two years prior to that.
Garza did make some changes and there’s reason to be optimsitic he can come closer to repeating his 2011 season than we could otherwise expect, but he will regress toward the mean. We can’t ignore the previous years and focus only on his best season.
That being said, I’m not really sure what kind of talent evaluator would say Garza is a middle of the rotation starter unless 2, 3 and 4 are considered middle of the rotation. I would consider Garza more of a number 2. As good as his fWAR last year was, his rWAR is much more in line with his career whereas the fWAR jumped considerably. CAIRO projects a 3.66 FIP and 2.0 WAR. Oliver projects 3.9 WAR and the Fans project 4.0. Bill James projects about 3 WAR. In 2008 and 2009 we heard repeatedly about how Carlos Zambrano was not an ace. Well, he was a 3 WAR pitcher. That’s about what we expect from Garza next year. I’d take the over on it if I was betting. I’d probably guess about 3.6 to 3.8 WAR.
You’ve probably already read the report on CBS Chicago or heard about it, but Starlin Castro has been accused of rape. The only reason I bring this up is that a few months ago Mish left a comment about a friend of his suggesting there was an investigation into rape charges against Castro. I didn’t pay attention at the time, but it appears to be true. There’s way too much information that we don’t yet have so I’m hesitant to say too much about it right now.
[quote name=GBTS]Are you assuming that women as a class don’t know the intricacies of MLB’s collective bargaining agreement? That’s the most offensive thing you’ve ever posted here.[/quote]
Well they don’t put articles about that in Sandwich Makers Monthly or Clean Dishes Digest, do they?
Dr. Aneus TaintQuote Reply
[quote name=Mac]Mike Tice———>Bears O.C.[/quote]Makes sense.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
I don’t think they can until they’ve worked out compensation with the Red Sox.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Makes sense.[/quote]Agreed. Hopefully Tice knows that 7 steps drops aren’t this line’s specialty and he’ll have Cutler getting the ball out quick.
MuckerQuote Reply
Clean Dishes Digest (dying laughing)
mb21Quote Reply
Dr. Aneus TaintQuote Reply
(dying laughing)
Just got dressed to head out, and my Starlin Castro t-shirt was next in the rotation in the dresser.
Sorry buddy, not today.
GBTSQuote Reply
[quote name=mb21]Clean Dishes Digest (dying laughing)[/quote]
Very intensive publication.
Dr. Aneus TaintQuote Reply
[quote name=Mac]Agreed. Hopefully Tice knows that 7 steps drops aren’t this line’s specialty and he’ll have Cutler getting the ball out quick.[/quote]IIRC, Tice runs more of the old “pro-style” offense.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
is there a legal difference between rape & sexual assault?
dylanjQuote Reply
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[quote name=dylanj]is there a legal difference between rape & sexual assault?[/quote]It’s different in each state: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2011/02/whats_the_difference_between_rape_and_sexual_assault.html
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]IIRC, Tice runs more of the old “pro-style” offense.[/quote]I think if he had some better linemen to work with he’d be pretty good, right?
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mb21Quote Reply
Since the woman claims to have blacked and upon waking up was being assaulted it would be rape.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]I think if he had some better linemen to work with he’d be pretty good, right?[/quote]Yeah, as well as an actual wide receiver or two.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=mb21]Since the woman claims to have blacked and upon waking up was being assaulted it would be rape.[/quote]Yeah. Starlin could be in deep shit here.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Yeah, as well as an actual wide receiver or two.[/quote]If he didn’t have the receivers to work with maybe he can shore up the run game, tire out the defense a bit, and run more draw plays…any idea who the new GM is yet?
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]If he didn’t have the receivers to work with maybe he can shore up the run game, tire out the defense a bit, and run more draw plays…any idea who the new GM is yet?[/quote]Looks like the favorites are a couple young guys, one in the Ravens’ FO and the other in the Packers’ FO.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
http://www.illinois-criminaldefense.com/practice-areas/sex-offenses.htm
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Yeah. Starlin could be in deep shit here.[/quote]Julie pointed out on her blog that if guilty he’s sure to lose his work visa. Not that anyone would really care at that point, but yeah, he’s in deep shit to say the least.
mb21Quote Reply
something tells me if this was a slam dunk the police would have acted a bit faster or tried harder to get him back here. but that doesn’t mean castro is innocent or not incredibly stupid for getting into this position in the first place.
dylanjQuote Reply
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mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=dylanj]something tells me if this was a slam dunk the police would have acted a bit faster or tried harder to get him back here. but that doesn’t mean castro is innocent or not incredibly stupid for getting into this position in the first place.[/quote]I think proving it always hard and since she did wait there may not be any physical evidence. My guess is that if there was physical evidence then they’d have brought him back by now. MIsh brought this up a few months ago and today he said he heard that charges were unlikely. It’s probably because there is no physical evidence. Regardless of what happens Castro will live with this the rest of his life.
mb21Quote Reply
Soriano to Baltimore for Roberts.
Raymond Robert KoenigQuote Reply
[quote name=Raymond Robert Koenig]Soriano to Baltimore for Roberts.[/quote]Pictures or it didn’t happen.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
i’m not. even if they’re shipping salary, the fact is they have a ton of debt to service and pay down. they’ll be looking for ways to pinch pennies, methinks. i imagine volstad’s great appeal was his controlled salary first, upside potential second.
gaius mariusQuote Reply
[quote name=mb21]Since the woman claims to have blacked and upon waking up was being assaulted it would be rape.[/quote]
if that’s the case, i hope the justice system does whats right and sends him away for a long time.
wpbcQuote Reply
i knew the trading hak-ju lee would come back to bite cubs. i just knew it.
wpbcQuote Reply
[quote name=Raymond Robert Koenig]Soriano to Baltimore for Roberts.[/quote]Where did you see that?
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=wpbc]i knew the trading hak-ju lee would come back to bite cubs. i just knew it.[/quote]It’s okay, they still have Darwin Barney.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=gaius marius]i’m not. even if they’re shipping salary, the fact is they have a ton of debt to service and pay down. they’ll be looking for ways to pinch pennies, methinks. i imagine volstad’s great appeal was his controlled salary first, upside potential second.[/quote]I don’t see much upside, but next year they’re not saving any money. If the Cubs expected to go big in the draft and international free agency as they clearly did, but now can’t, you’d think they’d be looking for alternative ways to acquire a lot of talent. Sending money is one of those ways. It can’t be used in the draft now.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=Raymond Robert Koenig]Soriano to Baltimore for Roberts.[/quote]Someone’s been reading BCB posts from 4 years ago. But just in case, we better get CCD to use his O’s Hangout Insider powers.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Raymond Robert Koenig]Soriano to Baltimore for Roberts.[/quote]
cubs need a second sacker because darwin barney is their new shortstop.
wpbcQuote Reply
[quote name=mb21]I think proving it always hard and since she did wait there may not be any physical evidence. My guess is that if there was physical evidence then they’d have brought him back by now. MIsh brought this up a few months ago and today he said he heard that charges were unlikely. It’s probably because there is no physical evidence. Regardless of what happens Castro will live with this the rest of his life.[/quote]Yeah, no matter what happens, he’ll wear this forever. And if he did it, he deserves to.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=wpbc]cubs need a second sacker because darwin barney is their new shortstop.[/quote]Aren’t you an O’s Hangout Insider?
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Someone’s been reading BCB posts from 4 years ago. But just in case, we better get CCD to use his O’s Hangout Insider powers.[/quote]Apparently that’s who the Cubs were asking about this time around.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=mb21]Apparently that’s who the Cubs were asking about this time around.[/quote]How do the trade values compare?
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Someone’s been reading BCB posts from 4 years ago. But just in case, we better get CCD to use his O’s Hangout Insider powers.[/quote]
i think my name at o’s hangout is lowenstein’smustache
i’ll be over there in a minute stirring the drink with this rumor. any chance one of you could write a diary for my source? (dying laughing)
wpbcQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Yeah, no matter what happens, he’ll wear this forever. And if he did it, he deserves to.[/quote]Yep and as insensitive as it may sound, as a Cubs fan I’m not in the business of giving a shit what kind of people the Cubs employ as long as they’re good.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]How do the trade values compare?[/quote]I haven’t looked into it. I guess I didn’t even know Brian Roberts was still playing (dying laughing)
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Aren’t you an O’s Hangout Insider?[/quote]
hell yeah i am. i’m a convert to the oriole way! which for the last twenty years is actually a notch or three below the cub way.
wpbcQuote Reply
[quote name=mb21]Yep and as insensitive as it may sound, as a Cubs fan I’m not in the business of giving a shit what kind of people the Cubs employ as long as they’re good.[/quote]
i hope the fucker fries.
wpbcQuote Reply
al’s site might be home of the stupid. but the diaries always impress!
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2012/1/6/2687128/tweeter-trib-rogers-insinuating-soriano-roberts
wpbcQuote Reply
[quote name=wpbc]i hope the fucker fries.[/quote]This seems a little premature.
GBTSQuote Reply
Not saying Castro didn’t do it or isn’t capable of doing it, but I don’t get it.
I understand the drunk rape law. There are sleezeballs just looking for these girls every night. Now Castro may be this sleezeball, but assuming he isn’t which is a big assumption, why would he do this? For one, sex with a blacked out check probably isn’t that great. And B, he Starlin Castro, a star for the Cubs, in a bar in the city of Chicago. Couldn’t he get whoever he wants?
WaLiQuote Reply
If he did this, more than likely Castro though being in his presence meant the woman was into it. These people are delusional.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=mb21]If he did this, more than likely Castro though being in his presence meant the woman was into it. These people are delusional.[/quote]THIS
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=wpbc]al’s site might be home of the stupid. but the diaries always impress!
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2012/1/6/2687128/tweeter-trib-rogers-insinuating-soriano-roberts%5B/quote%5D(dying laughing) @ Yellon getting served in that thread.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=dylanj]is there a legal difference between rape & sexual assault?[/quote]
We’re not going to help you rape someone, dj.
Dr. Aneus TaintQuote Reply
Bubbles drinks a lot
Bubbles met his gf at a bar on night one and brought her home
Bubbles girlfriend was drunk
Bubbles was drunk
Bubbles had sexual intercourse with her on night one
Bubbles is a rapist if that occurs in Illinois if she regrets it the next morning?
That doesnt seem fair
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[quote name=GBTS]This seems a little premature.[/quote]Agreed. We don’t know exactly what happened. I’m not trying to make excuses for the guy but it could be a situation where maybe she was cool with fooling around while drunk but not cool while sober. I don’t know. But I’ll let the facts come to light before I banish him.
MuckerQuote Reply
Was she blacked out when you were having sex with her? If so, yes, you are a rapist for having had sex with someone who couldn’t consent.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=Mac]Agreed. We don’t know exactly what happened. I’m not trying to make excuses for the guy but it could be a situation where maybe she was cool with fooling around while drunk but not cool while sober. I don’t know. But I’ll let the facts come to light before I banish him.[/quote]Yeah, at this point we know very little.
mb21Quote Reply
Guess the one-year deal for Kerry Wood is happening according to MLBTR.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=mb21]Was she blacked out when you were having sex with her? If so, yes, you are a rapist for having had sex with someone who couldn’t consent.[/quote]People use blackout so interchangably these days that are in my age range. I blackout two times a week. If i were any athlete i would have consent documentation next to my bed
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[quote name=Mac]Agreed. We don’t know exactly what happened. I’m not trying to make excuses for the guy but it could be a situation where maybe she was cool with fooling around while drunk but not cool while sober. I don’t know. But I’ll let the facts come to light before I banish him.[/quote]
Yea this is what bothers me.
bubblesdachimpQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]Guess the one-year deal for Kerry Wood is happening according to MLBTR.[/quote]Who did the Cubs kick off the 40-man roster?
mb21Quote Reply
Ugh, Jesus, just now catching up on news. Say it ain’t so, Castro.
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PinetarQuote Reply
[quote name=bubblesdachimp]People use blackout so interchangably these days that are in my age range. I blackout two times a week. If i were any athlete i would have consent documentation next to my bed[/quote]Do people use blackout interchangeably with awake?
Look, we don’t know what happened. All we’re saying is that if the allegations are correct Castro is in deep shit. And he should be.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=mb21]Who did the Cubs kick off the 40-man roster?[/quote]For some stupid reason I thought Wood was still on the 40-man and then I remembered he was a free agent. Derp. I don’t know who they’d have to kick off but the deal is being finalized so nobody’s been removed yet, I think.
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It seems like some type of universal training should be given to women for these types of situations. I’m not defending rape or assault or anything but these women should know that if you go to a strange man’s house at 3 in the morning after drinking, that it could be very dangerous for them. It’s not fair that women should have to subject themselves to that type of shit but it’s equally not as fair that a man’s life could be ruined for something that might not have happened. I’m not saying Castro is innocent. But if he is, his life will probably never be the same.
MuckerQuote Reply
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/01/06/sources-cubs-starlin-castro-accused-of-sexual-assault/
Nice touch by CBS to make sure that every teaser on that page features a sexualized image of a white woman.
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[quote name=Pinetar]
[/quote]Great album.
MuckerQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]Guess the one-year deal for Kerry Wood is happening according to MLBTR.[/quote]
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=mb21]Do people use blackout interchangeably with awake?
Look, we don’t know what happened. All we’re saying is that if the allegations are correct Castro is in deep shit. And he should be.[/quote] People use blackout for I am drunk now aday. Espescially 22 year olds.
Look i am all about responsible boning. I jsut have a problem if a chick makes a decision to get drunk and sleep around and then in the morning plays the “i was so drunk i dont know what happened card”
Not saying that is what happened. I also think we should execute a few rapists a year to prove a point
bubblesdachimpQuote Reply
I think their also needs to be punishment for falsely accusing someone of rape. The damage a lot of the times is ir-repairable.
Think Duke Lacrosse
bubblesdachimpQuote Reply
Here we go again on what protections people accused of sexual assault deserve prior to being found guilty. Sigh. I’m getting pretty bored of that one.
fang2415Quote Reply
[quote name=mb21]If he did this, more than likely Castro though being in his presence meant the woman was into it. These people are delusional.[/quote]Really? That’s more than likely? It’s more likely that Castro thinks he is a Sex God in the city of Chicago than two 20 year olds coming home drunk from the bars going too far?
Castro could have been “black out” drunk too and not realize the woman was in the shape she was in (which is still wrong and incredibly stupid, but not Jerry Sandusky evil). Or he could be a sexual deviant who takes sex when he wants it. I have no idea. I think its “more than likely” it’s somewhere in between.
GBTSQuote Reply
Why would anyone use blackout for drunk? Either way, the woman was asleep and came to and screamed. At least that’s the report.
mb21Quote Reply
Bears will not get DaCosta from Ravens. Prob move on the the fellow from GB now.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]Guess the one-year deal for Kerry Wood is happening according to MLBTR.[/quote]
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/01/cubs-kerry-wood-progressing-toward-one-year-deal.html
Snyds01Quote Reply
[quote name=fang2415]Here we go again on what protections people accused of sexual assault deserve prior to being found guilty. Sigh. I’m getting pretty bored of that one.[/quote]Not that it’s not important, or worth getting right as a society, btw. I just wish it wasn’t relevant on sports blogs so often.
fang2415Quote Reply
[quote name=mb21]Why would anyone use blackout for drunk? Either way, the woman was asleep and came to and screamed. At least that’s the report.[/quote]My understanding of “blackout” means you are so drunk you have trouble recalling details the next morning. As in, “Wow, I blacked out last night, I have no idea how I got home from the party.” That doesn’t mean you were physically unconscious and someone delivered you home, it means you are so drunk you don’t remember the cab ride you took.
GBTSQuote Reply
[quote name=GBTS]Really? That’s more than likely? It’s more likely that Castro thinks he is a Sex God in the city of Chicago than two 20 year olds coming home drunk from the bars going too far?.[/quote]If true, it’s more likely that Castro has become conditioned to women wanting to have sex with him and thinking it of all women. Yes, I do believe that is more than likely. These are the kind of people who think the ladies are lucky to be sleeping with them. I’m not equating this to Jerry Sandusky.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Bears will not get DaCosta from Ravens. Prob move on the the fellow from GB now.[/quote]
This the same guy you are referring too? If so he’s off the market accordingly. http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7430468/source-oakland-raiders-hire-reggie-mckenzie-green-bay-packers-gm
PinetarQuote Reply
Rather than rant, I’m just going to recommend a book I think every man should read: http://www.amazon.com/Macho-Paradox-Some-Hurt-Women/dp/1402204019
It will change the way you think about situations just like the Castro situation.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
Having said that, the CBS news story that is recounting the police report seems to indicate she was actually unconscious. Which makes things a whole lot worse.
I’d love to see a copy of the police report, even if its heavily redacted.
GBTSQuote Reply
[quote name=GBTS]My understanding of “blackout” means you are so drunk you have trouble recalling details the next morning. As in, “Wow, I blacked out last night, I have no idea how I got home from the party.” That doesn’t mean you were physically unconscious and someone delivered you home, it means you are so drunk you don’t remember the cab ride you took.[/quote]Oh yeah, I’m well aware of what a blackout is. I’ve never mistaken it for just being drunk. When you wake up in Colorado and the last thing you remember is being at a bar in Iowa City, that’s a blackout. Obviously I was awake and doing shit because I packed a bag. Not only did I leave the bar, but I went home, grabbed some clothes and then we left. I’m sure we got gas somewhere along the way. Don’t remember any of it.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=Pinetar]This the same guy you are referring too? If so he’s off the market accordingly. http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7430468/source-oakland-raiders-hire-reggie-mckenzie-green-bay-packers-gm[/quote]Yep, that was him. Damn. Bears have already lost their top 2 candidates.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Rather than rant, I’m just going to recommend a book I think every man should read: http://www.amazon.com/Macho-Paradox-Some-Hurt-Women/dp/1402204019
It will change the way you think about situations just like the Castro situation.[/quote]Just bought it for $1.99 for the Kindle. Thanks for the rec.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=mb21]Oh yeah, I’m well aware of what a blackout is. I’ve never mistaken it for just being drunk.[/quote]
I think the point is that other people can confuse someone who has blacked out for just being drunk.
Dr. Aneus TaintQuote Reply
[quote name=Dr. Aneus Taint]I think the point is that other people can confuse someone who has blacked out for just being drunk.[/quote]Yeah, that is true.
mb21Quote Reply
WOAH
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/01/cubs-acquire-anthony-rizzo.html
Rice CubeQuote Reply
CAshner ———> Padres
Rizzo ———–> Cubs
Aisle424Quote Reply
[quote name=Aisle424]CAshner ———> Padres
Rizzo ———–> Cubs[/quote]HOLY SHIT the Cubs sold high on Cashner somehow.
JManQuote Reply
[quote name=Aisle424]CAshner ———> Padres
Rizzo ———–> Cubs[/quote]Holy shit, that was unexpected. Hoyer must really, really like Rizzo
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Aisle424]CAshner ———> Padres
Rizzo ———–> Cubs[/quote]Where’s that Cookie Monster gif? Holy shit.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=mb21]I’m not equating this to Jerry Sandusky.[/quote]I know, not saying you were. That was more in response to the “fry the fucker” type reactions. We have no idea what type of mens rea Castro had during any of this. We don’t know if he was sloppy drunk/”blackout” when all this happened, or if he methodically planned on taking this woman to his apartment to have sex with her by any means necessary, or somewhere in between. The current facts give no indication of what he was thinking.There is no mens rea on the part of Starlin that makes this okay. That’s not what I’m saying at all. It shouldn’t even have to be said that, as currently reported, what happened was a crime and is not okay. But what was going on in Starlin’s head determines how disgusting a person he is.
HOLY SHIT FORGET EVERYTHING I JUST SAID THERES ACTUAL BASEBALL GOING ON
GBTSQuote Reply
[quote name=Aisle424]CAshner ———> Padres
Rizzo ———–> Cubs[/quote]
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
Cashner——> gone.
RodrigoQuote Reply
Too bad he’s blocked by LaHair.
GBTSQuote Reply
[quote name=Aisle424]CAshner ———> Padres
Rizzo ———–> Cubs[/quote]I fucking love it! No one really knew what to do with Cash Money this next year. To me it looked like he was destined to be a setup man but with this, we get a potential superstar at first base. Best deal with the Cubs since $1 wieners.
adnielsenQuote Reply
FLAGGED
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Aisle424]Rizzo ———–> Cubs[/quote]
This guy?
No mother fuckers can cover him.
Dr. Aneus TaintQuote Reply
If I were to guess at this whole Castro thing, I would say he’s a 21 year old famous young man with money that probably thinks he’s a ladies man. He probably has women come on to him all the time and thinks all women want him. I knew a guy when I was in my early twenties and going out all time that thought he could bang any women at the bar and was a real slimeball at times.
Not saying Castro is, but I know when I was his age I thought I was God’s gift to women and I probably would’ve have gotten myself in some pretty serious situations if I had the fame and money he has. Not at all condoning that behavior, but alchohol and pussy can make a man do some pretty shady things.
MuckerQuote Reply
Who is Zach Cates?
JManQuote Reply
NOOO Cashner!
dylanjQuote Reply
[quote name=Dr. Aneus Taint]This guy?
No mother fuckers can cover him.[/quote]That’s actually a great movie.
MuckerQuote Reply
[quote name=Aisle424]CAshner ———> Padres
Rizzo ———–> Cubs[/quote]WOW
ACTQuote Reply
somewhere Bryan LaHair is crying
dylanjQuote Reply
[quote name=JMan]Who is Zach Cates?[/quote]
Your dad.
Dr. Aneus TaintQuote Reply
Okay, I’ve only read one article lede and about 20 comments here, so let’s see if I’m getting accustomed enough to rape debates that I can guess what all of Cubdom will be talking about over the next few days:
1. Debates about what the real facts are based entirely on guesses about personalities based mostly on stereotypes.
2. Debates about what constitutes consent, intent, and coercion, mostly in the context of the guessed circumstances based on stereotypes.
3. Debates about the justice system and who it should protect, supported by details of the guessed circumstances based on stereotypes.
4. Debates about the true desires of the characters involved, and the morality of those desires, supposing that the guessed facts based on stereotypes were true.
5. Debates on how the justice system and the True Morality of the situation (informed by facts that were guessed using stereotypes) are totally divorced from each other and how the justice system doesn’t represent Real Truth.
6. Debates on punishment and prevention, with one guy in each forum suggesting that killing him immediately might not be the best idea vs. a zillion other people who agree that the just punishment is basically infinite, no matter what circumstances have been made up.
7. Debates on how much of this can all be explained by cultural differences between black/white, Latino/Anglo, foreign/US, old money/new money.
…I feel like I’m missing a few more, but maybe they’d just be extensions of those.
fang2415Quote Reply
[quote name=Jerry Sandusky]That’s actually a great movie.[/quote]
HEYOOO!
Dr. Aneus TaintQuote Reply
cates is a young upside are. Almost a K per IP in A ball last year
dylanjQuote Reply
[quote name=JMan]Who is Zach Cates?[/quote]4.73 ERA in A-Ball last year. 4 BB/9, 2 K/9. Ugh.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
man i hate this trade. I never liked Rizzo that much
dylanjQuote Reply
[quote name=JMan]Who is Zach Cates?[/quote]
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker&utm_campaign=Linker&id=cates-002zac
Snyds01Quote Reply
So, today’s new has been… mixed.
ACTQuote Reply
[quote name=fang2415]Okay, I’ve only read one article lede and about 20 comments here, so let’s see if I’m getting accustomed enough to rape debates that I can guess what all of Cubdom will be talking about over the next few days:
1. Debates about what the real facts are based entirely on guesses about personalities based mostly on stereotypes.
2. Debates about what constitutes consent, intent, and coercion, mostly in the context of the guessed circumstances based on stereotypes.
3. Debates about the justice system and who it should protect, supported by details of the guessed circumstances based on stereotypes.
4. Debates about the true desires of the characters involved, and the morality of those desires, supposing that the guessed facts based on stereotypes were true.
5. Debates on how the justice system and the True Morality of the situation (informed by facts that were guessed using stereotypes) are totally divorced from each other and how the justice system doesn’t represent Real Truth.
6. Debates on punishment and prevention, with one guy in each forum suggesting that killing him immediately might not be the best idea vs. a zillion other people who agree that the just punishment is basically infinite, no matter what circumstances have been made up.
7. Debates on how much of this can all be explained by cultural differences between black/white, Latino/Anglo, foreign/US, old money/new money.
…I feel like I’m missing a few more, but maybe they’d just be extensions of those.[/quote]This should have been a Fanpost.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=ACT]So, today’s new has been… mixed.[/quote]It could go either way.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
first full year as a SP MO. He’s sadly one of our top arms now
dylanjQuote Reply
[quote name=dylanj]man i hate this trade. I never liked Rizzo that much[/quote]Cashner’s destined for the bullpen. Cubs got great value here, to my mind.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=dylanj]first full year as a SP MO. He’s sadly one of our top arms now[/quote](dying laughing), too true. Man, is this farm system fucked.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
new shit: http://obstructedview.net/chicago-cubs/articles/cubs-trade-andrew-cashner-to-padres-for-anthony-rizzo.html
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]4.73 ERA in A-Ball last year. 4 BB/9, 2 K/9. Ugh.[/quote]
4BB/9, 8.5K/9, 2.09K/BB
Snyds01Quote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]4.73 ERA in A-Ball last year. 4 BB/9, 2 K/9. Ugh.[/quote]I read 8+ K/9…?
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]4.73 ERA in A-Ball last year. 4 BB/9, 2 K/9. Ugh.[/quote]At lower levels i don’t really care much about results. I usually prefer the scouting reports. From what I have seen he has mid-90s FB with a nice change-up.
JManQuote Reply
[quote name=JMan]At lower levels i don’t really care much about results. I usually prefer the scouting reports. From what I have seen he has mid-90s FB with a nice change-up.[/quote]
I agree, besides he averages almost a strikeout an inning and allowed fewer hits than innings pitched and in 118 innings only gave up 4 homers. I’d say the Cubs done quite well in this deal.
PinetarQuote Reply
[quote name=mb21]Where did you see that?[/quote]Didn’t see it anywhere. Thought it’d be a good return for Soriano.
Raymond Robert KoenigQuote Reply
[quote name=Raymond Robert Koenig]Didn’t see it anywhere. Thought it’d be a good return for Soriano.[/quote]
A flat of stale hotdog buns and a 1/2 bag of diamond dry would be a good return for Soriano.
PinetarQuote Reply
[quote name=GBTS]
I know, not saying you were. That was more in response to the “fry the fucker” type reactions. We have no idea what type of mens rea Castro had during any of this. We don’t know if he was sloppy drunk/”blackout” when all this happened, or if he methodically planned on taking this woman to his apartment to have sex with her by any means necessary, or somewhere in between. The current facts give no indication of what he was thinking.
There is no mens rea on the part of Starlin that makes this okay. That’s not what I’m saying at all. It shouldn’t even have to be said that, as currently reported, what happened was a crime and is not okay. But what was going on in Starlin’s head determines how disgusting a person he is.
HOLY SHIT FORGET EVERYTHING I JUST SAID THERES ACTUAL BASEBALL GOING ON[/quote]Ah, thank fuck for Rizzo. Cross out my post too.
fang2415Quote Reply
[quote name=wpbc]i hope the fucker fries.[/quote]
i love it when the fucker fries in these movies.
gaius mariusQuote Reply