Jed Hoyer is expected to be named the new GM of the Cubs sometime next week. Jason McLeod will presumably become the Assistant GM. I won’t tell you about the post I had ready to publish before the Theo news broke this evening other than I didn’t really believe the Hoyer to Cubs speculation. The twitters even say that the Padres have a short of agreed upon prospects for the Padres to choose from as compensation for Hoyer and McLeod. Theo won’t be named President of Baseball Ops until Tuesday so we get another press conference that same day or it may wait until after the World Series.
In mid-August the Cubs front office consisted of a traditional baseball guy in Jim Hendry who reported to the owner. In mid-October the Cubs front office consists of the best GM in the game running the baseball operations with two additional trusted and bright executives in the GM and assistant GM roles. That’s a tremendous difference. It’s the kind of difference I’ve wanted to see from this organization for a very long time. This is the equivalent of a front office fire sale.
Well done, Mr. Ricketts. Very well done.
424, I know you have a post about Theo coming up, go ahead and post it. I just wanted to get something on the front page about Hoyer since he’s going to be, you know, the fucking GM. (dying laughing)
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Read more: http://www.nctimes.com/sports/baseball/professional/mlb/padres/article_7751cfe3-d893-5066-9a33-326c70407fc1.html#ixzz1bTctVZN1
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I think I’d probably call this the front office equivalent of turning a hand whisk into a Kitchen-Aid mixer.
I’m happy.
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
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Just read the MLBTR officially official rumor.
EDIT: also, drunk.
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Agree 100% on the post, also. This is the big change we’ve been waiting for since the sale of the Cubs was finalized.
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This is like when the Cubs signed Alfonso Soriano. Seeing the Cubs spend that much money was just fucking awesome. Same thing here.
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[quote name=mb21]This is like when the Cubs signed Alfonso Soriano. Seeing the Cubs spend that much money was just fucking awesome. Same thing here.[/quote]
I wasn’t that happy about the Soriano deal when it happened figuring it would be a horrendous deal in the long run. I was happy they finally spent money but figured it would end horribly. In retrospect I think it was the right thing to do in order to win the divisions. With this Theo deal I see no potential for disaster or downside for the Cubs. I truly don’t ever remember being this excited about any move the Cubs org has made, ever.
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[quote name=melissa]I wasn’t that happy about the Soriano deal when it happened figuring it would be a horrendous deal in the long run. I was happy they finally spent money but figured it would end horribly. In retrospect I think it was the right thing to do in order to win the divisions. With this Theo deal I see no potential for disaster or downside for the Cubs. I truly don’t ever remember being this excited about any move the Cubs org has made, ever.[/quote]Agreed. I was nervously optimistic about Sori. I’m ecstatic about these moves.
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[quote name=mb21]This is like when the Cubs signed Alfonso Soriano. Seeing the Cubs spend that much money was just fucking awesome. Same thing here.[/quote]If anything, if they spend money now, it should be done more efficiently whether it’s for a middling free agent or for a blockbuster.
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Key word, of course, being “should” as I’m sure the naysayers will bring up John Lackey and Carl Crawford.
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what a great day
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i am just hopeful that the process will be done correctly now. i am a hge believer in the process is more important than the results. if the process is done correctly the results should follow
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Let the off-season begin!!
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This just goes to show that you should never doubt a random guy in a purple shirt at a Lincoln Park Starbucks.
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i think this would have made ron really happy.
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Welcome to the real Year One.
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[quote name=melissa]Welcome to the real Year One.[/quote]The first two were mulligans.
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[quote name=bubblesdachimp]i think this would have made ron really happy.[/quote]That’s an interesting point. I know he and Pat used to sing Hendry’s praises, but I think he would have been happy to see the org going out and getting the best, even if he wasn’t a big saber fan.
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[quote name=josh]That’s an interesting point. I know he and Pat used to sing Hendry’s praises, but I think he would have been happy to see the org going out and getting the best, even if he wasn’t a big saber fan.[/quote]100 % Ron would probably never give a shit about FIP but he would be happy with the cubs bringing in the best
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[quote name=bubblesdachimp]100 % Ron would probably never give a shit about FIP but he would be happy with the cubs bringing in the best[/quote]Yeah, I’ll agree with that.
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It’s too bad that Aisley just found the perfect bottom page graphic and now will have to change it again (dying laughing)
Maybe just change it to a Jed Watch instead.
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I wish I could like this twice or even three times.
The release does smell of Selig: “Just throw the fans a damn bone so they’ll quit calling me already.”
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[quote name=Rice Cube]It’s too bad that Aisley just found the perfect bottom page graphic and now will have to change it again (dying laughing)
[/quote]Totally worth it.
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Where the fuck are the fucking random celebration pictures you way-too-mellow fucks?
Here, I’ll start:
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Words I never thought I’d see on this site in a million years, let alone agree wholeheartedly with.
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best pic every (dying laughing)
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The music on this one is a little more mood appropriate than the Otis track. Also, Fuck Yeah Cubs!
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Anyone else think it’s interesting that it was rumored the Padres were interested in John Lackey? I remember thinking at the time that if Hoyer was coming to Chicago, why are we so sure it’s the Padres and not the Cubs? If the Red Sox send some cash, I’d be more than happy to trade for Lackey.
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Why is Curtis Mayfield trying to show off his taint?
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[quote name=Mucker]Why is Curtis Mayfield trying to show off his taint?[/quote]For identification.
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[quote name=mb21]Anyone else think it’s interesting that it was rumored the Padres were interested in John Lackey? I remember thinking at the time that if Hoyer was coming to Chicago, why are we so sure it’s the Padres and not the Cubs? If the Red Sox send some cash, I’d be more than happy to trade for Lackey.[/quote]
I don’t think it’s that surprising. Obviously they’d want BOS to pay a big chunk of that contract since his salary would be something like 30% of their payroll. But I could see a guy like him who obviously needs a change of scenery,moving to the NL (and to Petco) suddenly putting up like a 4-5 WAR year and everyone in Boston being surprised. If the Cubs could get a deal on Lackey I’d be glad to have him too. Same with Crawford.
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http://www.csnchicago.com/blog/bears-talk/post/Briggs-on-conflict-with-Bears-front-offi?blockID=579602&feedID=626
cue epic MO rant about Lance Briggs (dying laughing)
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[quote name=”Berselius“] If the Cubs could get a deal on Lackey I’d be glad to have him too. Same with Crawford.[/quote]Something seems amiss…
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[quote name=Suburban kid 23]Something seems amiss…[/quote]
(dying laughing), I hate the contract not the player. And most of the axe I had to grind over that deal was with Red Sox fans who couldn’t stop sucking their FO’s cock over that deal.
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Turns out the Red Sox decided to let Theo go when they got this note:
Dear Red Sox,
Please let Theo out of his contract, as he has contracted crocodile foot and can no longer perform the duties of his position.
Signed,
Epstein’s mother.
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I better get in on this.
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[quote name=josh]
Signed,
Epstein’s mother.[/quote]Droll, very droll.
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I don’t understand you people and your jubilee. I WANT MY FUCKING CUBS BACK!!!!!!!
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[quote name=Gary Karton]I don’t understand you people and your jubilee. I WANT MY FUCKING CUBS BACK!!!!!!![/quote]
I’m guessing you want your regular ones back too.
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[quote name=Berselius]I’m guessing you want your regular ones back too.[/quote]Is it so hard to ask for a team of guys that suck but give 200% on every play? Who wants naturally talented guys? Those guys don’t even run hard to 1st base. Baseball has gone downhill ever since they let Jackie Robinson in.
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[quote name=Gary Karton]Is it so hard to ask for a team of guys that suck but give 200% on every play? Who wants naturally talented guys? Those guys don’t even run hard to 1st base. Baseball has gone downhill ever since they let Jackie Robinson in.[/quote]
It was already going downhill when they let in all those Italians and Irish. *shakes head*
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[quote name=Berselius]It was already going downhill when they let in all those Italians and Irish. *shakes head*[/quote]At least they are white….er, I mean……at least they play the game hard.
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[quote name=Berselius]It was already going downhill when they let in all those Italians and Irish. *shakes head*[/quote]It’s a scientific fact that Catholics lack the proper bone structure to hit the spitball.
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an Unobstructed View: http://obstructedview.net/unobstructed-views/cubs/phil-rogers-has-been-drinking-again.html
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Thirdhand report
[Boston ABC station sports anchor Mike Lynch] reports Crane Kenney was holding up talks ‘for his own interests’ and is in hot water with Commish.
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not sure what the hell would have been in Kenney’s interest.
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you know i might keep quade for one more year…
We are most likely going to blow next year.. Why have the next manager already tarnished by a team that blows? Not that fair.. Just a thought. If we bring in a new manager with the new front office, it wont matter what stupid 9 players we run out. THe expectations will be sky high. If the lineup is very similar to this years might as well keep quade
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[quote name=Berselius]not sure what the hell would have been in Kenney’s interest.[/quote]Because like me, he knows this is a terrible move for the Cubs.
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I don’t know if I buy it as it just doesn’t make sense, but it is an example of why people need to stop rushing to judgment that it was the Red Sox fault.
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[quote name=bubblesdachimp]you know i might keep quade for one more year…
We are most likely going to blow next year.. Why have the next manager already tarnished by a team that blows? Not that fair.. Just a thought. If we bring in a new manager with the new front office, it wont matter what stupid 9 players we run out. THe expectations will be sky high. If the lineup is very similar to this years might as well keep quade[/quote]If the expectations are sky high that’s a problem with the fan base and not with the direction the team is taking. I don’t care if they keep Quade or not, but I don’t want them keeping Quade for the reasons you stated. If they think Quade is a good manager, keep him. If they don’t, get rid of him.
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[quote name=mb21]I don’t know if I buy it as it just doesn’t make sense, but it is an example of why people need to stop rushing to judgment that it was the Red Sox fault.[/quote]Is it really that surprising that reports out of Chicago are that it was the Red Sox fault and reports out of Boston lay all the blame on Chicago? The truth is somewhere in between.
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[quote name=bubblesdachimp]you know i might keep quade for one more year…
We are most likely going to blow next year.. Why have the next manager already tarnished by a team that blows? Not that fair.. Just a thought. If we bring in a new manager with the new front office, it wont matter what stupid 9 players we run out. THe expectations will be sky high. If the lineup is very similar to this years might as well keep quade[/quote]Good point. Might as well sort of publicly signal to fans that this next year is a transition year, and really focus on overhauling the org. I think people will be happy to see progress, even if the MLB club isn’t the first place where that happens. I kind of felt that the initial Quade hiring was along those lines anyway.
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[quote name=bubblesdachimp]you know i might keep quade for one more year…
We are most likely going to blow next year.. Why have the next manager already tarnished by a team that blows? Not that fair.. Just a thought. If we bring in a new manager with the new front office, it wont matter what stupid 9 players we run out. THe expectations will be sky high. If the lineup is very similar to this years might as well keep quade[/quote]
Even most moran Cubs fans don’t expect Theo hire = WS next year. I don’t think the grumbling starts until year three or so. If Theo decides he likes Cuey (or more importantly, Cuey decides that he’ll be a team player with the FO) I don’t really have a problem with him sticking around. Quade has to know that this is likely his only shot to manage at this level so he might need to adapt to stay here. He might be screwed whatever he does thanks to the looming presence of Ryne Sandberg.
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[quote name=mb21]Is it really that surprising that reports out of Chicago are that it was the Red Sox fault and reports out of Boston lay all the blame on Chicago? The truth is somewhere in between.[/quote]
It could go either way
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[quote name=mb21]If the expectations are sky high that’s a problem with the fan base and not with the direction the team is taking. I don’t care if they keep Quade or not, but I don’t want them keeping Quade for the reasons you stated. If they think Quade is a good manager, keep him. If they don’t, get rid of him.[/quote]i agree with all your points MB. I just think whoever the new manager is (if they start this year) is going to have an insane amount of pressure. But if they feel like Quade isnt right for what values they are trying to instill, then i am obviously 100% ok with it
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[quote name=Berselius]It could go either way[/quote]As funny as that is, it could. We don’t know whose fault it was. We never will, but I will bet $100 that Crane Kenney’s involvement in this whole process was minimal. The holdup very well could have been on the Cubs side. I’m guessing part of it was. Part of it on the Red Sox. Fine. Whatever. No big deal. The Red Sox are still the superior organization and will be over the next 5 years. Hopefully not over the next 10 though. So I just don’t care. I really don’t even know why it’s important for people to place blame one way or another. I know in the society we live we love placing blame on people. We have to assign blame for everything, but this? Really?
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Q is the Hoffpauier of managers, but maybe he fills the gap for a year.
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[quote name=bubblesdachimp]i agree with all your points MB. I just think whoever the new manager is (if they start this year) is going to have an insane amount of pressure. But if they feel like Quade isnt right for what values they are trying to instill, then i am obviously 100% ok with it[/quote]I don’t see a front office turnover like this resulting in Quade keeping his job. It was highly unlikely with just Theo on board and now virtually impossible with all the new front office guys around. They will and should start building the team in the manner they want. If they somehow conclude that Quade is a part of it, fine, but I think it’s highly unlikely. I also don’t think the expectations are going to be as high as you think they are. I think most Cubs fans think the Cubs suck and have no expectations for 2012.
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I think you are nuts. I think 99% of cubs fans are retards and the 1% of smart ones hang out here
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The Cubs need to replace all lazy players with scrappy players. If they do that, it’s a win-win scenario. Either they win the World Series because of all the heart on the team, or they don’t but at least they played the game right.
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Hey Gary Karton, here you go:
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[quote name=bubblesdachimp]I think you are nuts. I think 99% of cubs fans are retards and the 1% of smart ones hang out here[/quote]It really doesn’t matter where you look these days. Almost every Cubs fan is in agreement that the team is going to take at least a year or two before it contends.
Whether or not that’s true, I don’t want the first decision this front office team makes taking into consideration what the fans think or may think. If that’s really the way they’re going to do things, the Cubs are no better today than they were a week ago. We may as well start writing about 2015 GM candidates if that’s the way they’re running things.
I want them to make a decision not based on the fans in any way. I want them to make an intelligent decision that moves the organization forward in some way. You don’t sign Theo for 5 years and $18.5 million, Hoywer for 5 years and probably $10 million and the other AGMs and then have the fans run the team.
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[quote name=mb21]It really doesn’t matter where you look these days. Almost every Cubs fan is in agreement that the team is going to take at least a year or two before it contends.
Whether or not that’s true, I don’t want the first decision this front office team makes taking into consideration what the fans think or may think. If that’s really the way they’re going to do things, the Cubs are no better today than they were a week ago. We may as well start writing about 2015 GM candidates if that’s the way they’re running things.
I want them to make a decision not based on the fans in any way. I want them to make an intelligent decision that moves the organization forward in some way. You don’t sign Theo for 5 years and $18.5 million, Hoywer for 5 years and probably $10 million and the other AGMs and then have the fans run the team.[/quote]Fair point. Some fans may turn, but many more won’t. And when the Cubs start winning, fans will come back in droves.
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[quote name=Mish]Hey Gary Karton, here you go:
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[quote name=josh]Fair point. Some fans may turn, but many more won’t. And when the Cubs start winning, fans will come back in droves.[/quote]Exactly.
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[quote name=mb21]Leverage ————> All Cubs[/quote]Glad I read the old thread before posting basically exactly this. Now that there’s no going back the Red Sox have basically no leverage beyond whatever’s built in to this “process” they’ve agreed upon. If Selig gets involved, he’s going to want to comp to be peanuts so it won’t set a precedent for a booming market in execs. Not to mention that Theo will now be negotiating.
Of course, this comment will look dumb if the teams announce Tuesday that BJax, McNutt, Sczczczcr, Garza, Castro, and Cashner will all be traded for Lackey’s full contract (dying laughing); but at the moment this looks like a huge win for the Cubs negotiating team.
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[/quote]Also, I’m very glad that this site is finally starting to realize the comic potential of both Darth Vader and Hitler.
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[/quote]I have absolutely no idea what is going on. (dying laughing)
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[quote name=Mish]I have absolutely no idea what is going on. (dying laughing)[/quote]
I don’t see how it could be any more clear. You just don’t “get it”.
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Certainly not about you, m’lord.
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I can’t get over that joint statement.
So glad they agreed upon the process. Cell-phones + vocal communication? email?
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[quote name=GW]I can’t get over that joint statement.
So glad they agreed upon the process. Cell-phones + vocal communication? email?[/quote]I think Ricketts parked his yacht in Boston Harbor and is communicating to the Red Sox using semaphore.
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[quote name=GW]I can’t get over that joint statement.
So glad they agreed upon the process. Cell-phones + vocal communication? email?[/quote]
carrier pigeon
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[quote name=Berselius]carrier pigeon[/quote]
well it’s definitely not twitter, as many characters as it took them to say nothing at all in that statement.
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[/quote]Is there one of the string dance?
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Answered my own question…
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/rosenblog/chi-ricketts-gets-epstein-deal-done-20111021,0,7417029.column :
[quote name=Rosenbloom]That’s why Epstein wants to get the band back together. Of course, given their ages, it’s like getting the boy band back together. The Cubs’ new front office will need a treat parent.
But it’s going to take time, maybe even more time than the Epstein deal took. The Cubs and their fans aren’t used to waiting. Aren’t used to winning World Series, either. Connect the dots, people.[/quote]Can somebody explain to me what the hell these two paragraphs mean?
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[quote name=fang2415]http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/rosenblog/chi-ricketts-gets-epstein-deal-done-20111021,0,7417029.column :
Can somebody explain to me what the hell these two paragraphs mean?[/quote]This would be a horrible SAT question.
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[quote name=fang2415]http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/rosenblog/chi-ricketts-gets-epstein-deal-done-20111021,0,7417029.column :
Can somebody explain to me what the hell these two paragraphs mean?[/quote]
Whoops, there’s one more:
Are these jokes? WTF is he talking about?
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What the fuck, Illini?
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[quote name=Rice Cube]This would be a horrible SAT question.[/quote]I think I actually got a few like that on the SAT. Some of those analogies bordered on dadaist. I remember thinking that the test writers must sometimes just get really bored.
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I love how Purdue has 8 different players with a rushing attempt. It’s the reverse-Packers offense (laughing)
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[quote name=fang2415]I think I actually got a few like that on the SAT. Some of those analogies bordered on dadaist. I remember thinking that the test writers must sometimes just get really bored.[/quote]
You should have just handed back a bowl of cherries and a live beaver for your response.
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Its Illinois, they are bound to fuck up their good start. Worried about strength of schedule?
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[quote name=fang2415]http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/rosenblog/chi-ricketts-gets-epstein-deal-done-20111021,0,7417029.column :
Can somebody explain to me what the hell these two paragraphs mean?[/quote]They mean “When the Cubs don’t win the World Series next year, I’m going to point and laugh and scream I TOLD YOU SO no matter what else the outcome is.”
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[quote name=fang2415]Are these jokes? WTF is he talking about?[/quote]That’s gotta be an attempt at humor. Like because Selig made the All Star game “matter”
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Indiana’s Defense is horrible.
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[quote name=Berselius]What the fuck, Illini?[/quote]Ron Zook
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I wonder how much Steve Rosenbloom is paid to write crap.
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[quote name=Rice Cube]I wonder how much Steve Rosenbloom is paid to write crap.[/quote]I know, right?
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[quote name=cdw]Indiana’s Defense is horrible.[/quote]Iowa’s defense without Daniels is every bit as bad. Iowa just released a statement saying that if the other team stops them, they forfeit.
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[quote name=Rice Cube]I wonder how much Steve Rosenbloom is paid to write crap.[/quote]Phil Rogers gets paid to get drunk.
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[quote name=Berselius]You should have just handed back a bowl of cherries and a live beaver for your response.[/quote]
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Indiana will wish this was a longer 3rd down. 3rd and 6 is too short vs the Hawkeyes. Need something like 3rd and 13 or more.
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I don’t know MB. Iowa’s D is bad but not IU bad. We at least have some decent and experienced players in the secondary and some talent (minimal) on the D-line. IU has no one. Seriously. I just had a shit that has more talent than IU’s D.
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New world order:
http://obstructedview.net/chicago-cubs/articles/cubs-fans-heres-your-new-id.html
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Typical Illini ruining an otherwise great day. (dying laughing)
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