A little over 3 years ago the Cubs drafted Kris Bryant with the 2nd pick of the 2013 First Year Player Draft*. He was considered either the top prospect or close enough to the top that few teams, if any, would have passed on him given the chance to take him that high. It was somewhat surprising to see the Houston Astros pass on him with their top pick, but they saved some money by taking Carlos Correa. They chose to spend a bit more later on and Correa has become every bit as good as the Astros hoped. Mark Appel was taken first overall that year (corrected from original).
*Can MLB please change the name of the draft to MLB Draft?
The Cubs signed Bryant to the suggested slot of $6.7 million a month later and his professional career began shortly thereafter. In Bryant’s first full professional season he hit 43 home runs in 138 games between AA and AAA. He has a very good chance of hitting 40+ home runs in his first full MLB season. He’s already got 25, which is 1 shy of his season total last year. He was called up as soon as the Cubs secured the additional year of service time so he spent what is basically the full season with the Cubs, but technically, 2016 is his first full season in the big leagues.
Last year he hit .275/.369/.488 with a .371 wOBA and 136 wRC+. It was a fantastic rookie season that earned him Rookie of the Year honors in the National League. He was worth 6.5 fWAR, which I think surpassed even the most optimistic expectations. It was quite odd to see a Cubs prospect surpass expectations. It was a welcome surprise, but even the most optimistic had to be a little worried. Kris Bryant was striking out a lot. Despite the strikeouts, 199 of them in his rookie season, he was an outstanding and productive player in the minor leagues and proved to be just that at the MLB level.
He was helped out last year a little with a BABIP near .380. It’s fallen back to a more reasonable .315 this year. All he’s done this season is hit .286/.384/.578 with a .403 wOBA and a wRC+ of 153. He’s been worth 5.0 fWAR already.
The Cubs have 74 games remaining, which isn’t quite half the season, but I began to wonder just how good Bryant’s season may be in relation to this franchise’s best seasons by WAR. It’s unlikely Bryant will end up being worth 10 WAR, but it’s also possible. Bryant’s WAR at Baseball Prospectus (bpWAR) is 5.39. BP would have a different leaderboard since they use a slightly different way to calculate their WAR, but I just wanted to show that by at least one WAR measure, Bryant may well be on his way to a 10 WAR season.
That is, if we consider what he is on pace for and not what he’s likely to do. For example, it looks like Bryant is projected to be worth about 2.5 WAR the rest of the way leaving him just shy of 8 WAR. We’ll come back to this more reasonable estimate, but first let’s just be kids and imagine.
Rogers Hornsby‘s 1929 season is unlikely to be topped any time soon. He was worth 11.1 fWAR that year so even the most optimistic person would have trouble arguing that Bryant has much of any shot of catching or passing that. Hornsby’s 1929 season is the only one in franchise history to reach 10 fWAR in a season. Sammy Sosa came close in his memorable 2001 season (9.9). In 1959 Ernie Banks was worth 9.7 and in 1967 Ron Santo was worth 9.5 fWAR. Fergie Jenkins was worth 9.6 fWAR in 1971 and 9.5 in 1970. No other Cubs player has had a season worth as much as 9 fWAR. Those 6 seasons stand well above every other season by a Cubs player.
If Bryant puts together the kind of 2nd half that we hope he does, he very well could crack that top 6. Not only that, he could become just the 2nd Cubs player to crack 10 fWAR in a season.
I don’t think that will happen. If I had to guess, I’d say he ends up at around 8-8.5. Even if he reaches his rest of season projection, he’ll still finish with one of the best seasons for the Cubs since at least 1903. Here they are below.
- Rogers Hornsby: 11.1 (1929)
- Sammy Sosa: 9.9 (2001)
- Ernie Banks: 9.7 (1959)
- Fergie Jenkins: 9.6 (1971)
- Ron Santo: 9.5 (1967)
- Fergie Jenkins: 9.5 (1970)
- Ernie Banks: 8.7 (1958)
- Ron Santo: 8.7 (1966)
- Ron Santo: 8.5 (1966)
- Hack Wilson: 8.5 (1930)
- Fergie Jenkins: 8.2 (1969)
- Ryne Sandberg: 8.0 (1984)
- Ernie Banks: 7.8 (1955)
- Mark Prior: 7.8 (2003)
- Frank Chance: 7.7 (1906)
- Ron Santo: 7.7 (1965)
- Heinie Zimmerman: 7.6 (1912)
- Harry Steinfeldt: 7.5 (1906)
- Joe Tinker: 7.5 (1908)
- Ryne Sandberg: 7.4 (1992)
Jake Arrieta (2015), Mordecai Brown (1909) and Billy Herman (1935) are next at 7.3 fWAR.
Kris Bryant is only 24 years old, though. If we limit this list to players 26 and under, it looks even better. You’ve got Ron Santo in the top two spots in 1964 and 1966 with 8.7 and 8.5 fWAR, respectively. Fergie’s 8.2 fWAR in 1969 is next and the only other player with 8 or more is Sandberg’s 1984 (8.0).
Bryant has a shot at having the best season among 26 and under Cubs since 1903.
Comments
Appel was taken over Bryant that year. Correa was taken over Buxton the year before.
SitrickQuote Reply
Sitrick,
My memory is getting really bad. I was certain it was Correa so I didn’t even bother to check. Thanks.
dmick89Quote Reply
They’re naming the NL batting award after Tony Gwynn because Double Fuck You Pete Rose.
umbraQuote Reply
Bryant!!!
dmick89Quote Reply
Bryant!
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
Bryant securing home field advantage for the Cubs.
umbraQuote Reply
Fucking Royals
dmick89Quote Reply
Ron Santo looking damn impressive on that list.
andcountingQuote Reply
I’m surprised Cueto is still pitching.
dmick89Quote Reply
Cubs lose.
dmick89Quote Reply
dmick89,
Hammels no-hits them again.
andcountingQuote Reply
Sorry, maybe you didn’t get the memo, but Bryant sucks because good pitchers can get him out sometimes.
Smokestack LightningQuote Reply
Rizzo!
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
Hell, an *average* pitcher gets him out most of the time.
umbraQuote Reply
Bringing in lefty Murphy to hit against Quintana. Dumb.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
Terrible call by the umpire.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
how the fuck did pete rose not lead the league in games played in 1979 with 163???
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/rosepe01.shtml
EnricoPallazzoQuote Reply
I was hoping Bryant and Rizzo would get a 3rd PA.
dmick89Quote Reply
How is Lester supposed to pitch without David Ross?
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
EnricoPallazzo,
Frank Taveras was traded mid-season, allowing him to play 164.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
Rizzo the Rat,
I saw that but I’m not even sure how rose got to 163 given that the phillies were too shitty to force a play-in game
EnricoPallazzoQuote Reply
Murphy made a good defensive play? Weird.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
EnricoPallazzo,
Granted, all of my research has been performed on a piece of shit blackberry
EnricoPallazzoQuote Reply
EnricoPallazzo,
That was a result of a game that ended in a tie that was made up later.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
Rizzo the Rat,
So theoretically a player could play in an infinite number of games in a season. That would be a good way to break all the records.
dmick89Quote Reply
Rizzo the Rat,
No shit. Thanks for looking that up. That’s a cool/stupid record.
EnricoPallazzoQuote Reply
I’m sick of these clickbait/hot-take headlines on OV. Bryant sucks and that’s a known fact.
EnricoPallazzoQuote Reply
EnricoPallazzo,
Yeah, I hate contrarianism for the sake of contrarianism.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
Shit I didn’t realize fernando rodney was having such a crazy year. At least we have clayton Richard coming back in a few days.
EnricoPallazzoQuote Reply
EnricoPallazzo,
That’s been an even bigger loss than Kyle Schwarber.
dmick89Quote Reply
EnricoPallazzo,
Don’t worry. Nathan is set to return any day now. He’s a six-time all-star.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
The “evidence” of illegal PED use for Sammy Sosa and David Ortiz is exactly the same. They were both on the same discredited list of 100 players who supposedly failed tests in 2003, leaked in 2009.
Sosa gets shunned by fans, management and press for the rest of his life.
Ortiz gets standing ovations for walking in his final ASG.
SKQuote Reply
And the MVP goes to the mediocre player who doesn’t belong in the game, let alone as a starter.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
I remember wanting the Cubs to end up with Appel over this Chris Brian guy. Appel sounded so polished, with a mid 90’s fastball and great secondary stuff.
EdwinQuote Reply
Edwin,
For some reason I was mixing the 2012 and 2013 drafts. I’ve been doing that all year for some reason. I keep thinking Bryant was taken the year before Almora, but that’s not right. I don’t know what’s wrong with my memory. It’s turned to shit the last couple years.
dmick89Quote Reply
SK,
Ortiz didn’t walk out on his team the final day of the 2004 season. That’s like -50,000 points.
dmick89Quote Reply
dmick89,
let’s not forget about the corked bat
EnricoPallazzoQuote Reply
EnricoPallazzo,
The lighter complexion really confuses white people, too. Is he dark-skinned or light-skinned? I mean, how on earth do I know how to treat the guy if I don’t even know the answer to that?
dmick89Quote Reply
dmick89,
Everything is so fucking either/or.
Not to bring the serious issues of the day on here, but it’s like when I see a tribute to the Dallas police chief on FB that says “His son died after being shot 12 times by police officers (after his son had previously killed an officer) and his brother was murdered by drug dealers. Rather than burn down the block he has risen to run one of the largest police departments in the nation in his efforts to stop police brutality.”
As if you either become a police chief or you become a violent thug, one or the other. You are a beloved treasure, or an eternal embarrassment. There is no in between.
SKQuote Reply
Like Batman.
EdwinQuote Reply
dmick89,
Sosa still hasn’t gone to the house of every Cubs fan and apologized. This deprives fans of the smug satisfaction of being able to say “Not good enough!”. I just don’t understand how Sosa can be that selfish.
EdwinQuote Reply
It’s really sad when you think of how Sosa gets treated for likely cheating at baseball, and how Patrick Kane gets treated for likely sexually assaulting a woman.
EdwinQuote Reply
This to me is what is so strange about it all. Cheating, to most fans apparently, is the single worst sin.
Worst things an athlete can do according to most fans:
1. Cheat
2. Murder
3. Not playing the game the right way
4. Laziness
5. Sexual assault
It’s fucked up. If I’m the commissioner of baseball and I see that Daniel Murphy made the all-star team and that John Smoltz was going to be announcing it, I’m going to begin to apologize to the half of America that has a fucking brain. I’d probably tell them to watch something else.
I wouldn’t make a very good commissioner. (dying laughing)
dmick89Quote Reply
dmick89,
I’d put “get paid money and not perform well” at 1A. I’m assuming Laziness means minority?
EdwinQuote Reply
dmick89,
What did Daniel Murphy and John Smoltz say that was so controversial? The comments I saw from Murphy were that he doesn’t agree with Bean’s lifestyle, but that he’d still love him as a teammate. Honestly, that doesn’t sound that controversial to me, but whatever.
EdwinQuote Reply
Edwin,
He may have said some other things. I can’t remember. I do remember him saying “I don’t agree with his lifestyle” about 300 times, which to me is not only wrong, it makes it far less likely any other player would come out. I also have a hard time believing someone says they’d love to have someone as as a teammate when they have to say they don’t agree with his lifestyle so many times. In other words, I think Murphy knew what he was supposed to say in public, but I don’t for a moment believe he would be OK with an openly gay ballplayer as a teammate.
Smoltz compared homosexuality to beastiality. Enough said on that one.
dmick89Quote Reply
I’m also pretty sure “gay lifestyle” is used to denigrate gay people. It’s just said nicely enough by straight white guys that nobody pays attention. Regardless, it’s an indication that someone sees a gay person as abnormal.
dmick89Quote Reply
I didn’t look closely enough, but I’d also bet that there were ballplayers on the all-star rosters who have had sexual assault claims against them. It would be pretty surprising if that were not true.
dmick89Quote Reply
dmick89,
Fair enough. It just seems to me that this issue turns quickly into an “either/or” situation like SK mentioned above. I think there’s a little more gray area to it, is all.
What Smoltz said is just stupid, but I guess what I’m saying is that I’m not sure being stupid on one issue is enough to really make me dislike either Smoltz or Murphy enough to make a point of banning them from something.
EdwinQuote Reply
Edwin,
It irritates me that Murphy is good enough to make an all star team, but I’m definitely not opposed to it. Especially since the game determines home field advantage. I just think it’s rather embarrassing that Murphy and Smoltz were involved. Sorry if it sounded like I was opposed to them taking part in it. Though to be honest, if I was FOX, there’s no way I’d hire Smoltz. He’s a bad announcer and then that beastiality comment would be enough for me to say no way. Murphy is good enough to be at the game and should. I just think it sucks that there are people like them that still exist.
dmick89Quote Reply
In general, I can’t stand Fox’s presentation of most sports events. Joe Buck using his Serious Voice to talk about An Issue makes me change the channel faster than (Joke to be updated later).
EdwinQuote Reply
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/dissecting-rob-manfred-tony-clark-on-minor-league-wages/
Always an interesting story, to me.
EdwinQuote Reply
So you’re saying it could go either way
BerseliusQuote Reply
Berselius,
I skipped to the final line and it said “There is no in between” so yes, you are correct.
dmick89Quote Reply
Edwin,
I haven’t read the entire article yet, but I did read some of what Manfred said yesterday. He said something about how paying them a higher wage could result in fewer minor league teams. Ok, that makes sense, but do MLB teams really need 6, 8 or 10 minor league affiliates. If you count the Dominican and Venezuelan leagues, as well as the Arizona Fall League, the Cubs probably have 10 affiliates. Is that really necessary? If they instead had only 8, would it really matter? I don’t know what the best thing to do is with regards to minor league pay.
I wish more time was being devoted to minimum wage for Major League players. It’s currently way too low in my opinion. It doesn’t match that of the other major sports, which I think is kind of pathetic.
dmick89Quote Reply
I get the emotion behind this—really, I do—but I’ve come to believe comments like these, off-handed or not, are a part of the problem. The same sort of things were said about the gay community for eons and with the same moral conviction and they were wrong, but simply switching out groups to hate doesn’t fix anything. Can’t judge a human being unfit to exist based on one opinion they currently hold, an opinion that can change at anytime. Murphy was asked a question and answered it honestly and in a way that indicated he’ll be live and let live about it, and imo, that’s about the best we can hope for from humanity because we’re never going to agree on everything.
Smokestack LightningQuote Reply
dmick89,
Thing, baseball is so flush with money right now, it’s hard to see how raising the minimum wage for minor league players is actually that much of a financial burden. Employers love to say things like “paying my employees more would cause me problems” and I think it’s mostly bullshit. If you can’t run a business while paying your employees a living wage, then you’re a shitty business owner. Owner’s already get to artificially pay MLB players shit most of the time anyways.
MillertimeQuote Reply
Somehow I’m logged in on my home computer with one name, and when I post at work it shows another. I should fix that.
MillertimeQuote Reply
Definitely agree here, though the question becomes where the pressure on MLB to change comes from and how it can be effective. Minor league players are in kind of a shitty predicament with respect to their leverage. The guys who have leverage (i.e. players with a future in MLB) not only usually have gotten substantial bonuses at signing but also have substantial future earnings at stake, so their incentive to take a stand is modest at best. And those who stand the most to gain (i.e. MiLB lifers and org filler guys) are basically expendable, so they have no leverage.
It basically boils down to either government intervention or the goodwill of MLB to change the system, and unfortunately, there’s about a dick-in-one-dickety-million chance of either of those parties acting in the best interests of minor league players.
uncle daveQuote Reply
Correct. Or False.
SKQuote Reply
wait smoltz really said that????? holy shit.
as for murphy, i’m not gonna bother looking ti up because i don’t give a shit, but i’m pretty sure he has made comments about how good Christians need to try to convert homosexuals or some bullshit. that is a pretty ignorant statement. he seems nice and well-intentioned and all but is definitely still a bigot.
EnricoPallazzoQuote Reply
i disagree with this
EnricoPallazzoQuote Reply
maybe this is a dumb question but what are the odds that a guy like paul blackburn starts to improve his K rate? i mean the guy is 22 so obviously has some development left. but he’s at AA and has pretty much had a K/9 of right around 6 for his entire career in the minors. presumably it’s not going to improve?
EnricoPallazzoQuote Reply
Smokestack Lightning,
I think living so near to the Westboro Baptist Church has made me much more intolerant of bigots than maybe I once was or realized I was. Are my comments part of the problem? I’d like to think they are not, but I don’t know.
dmick89Quote Reply
Exactly. He’s a well mannered bigot. I’ll give him that.
dmick89Quote Reply
The odds aren’t good that they increase with him in the rotation, but he supposedly has swing and miss stuff. Teams will usually stick with guys like that for awhile and hope that it eventually works out. I think I’ve said this about every top pitching prospect the Cubs have had over the last 3 to 5 years, but Blackburn will probably be better off in the bullpen.
dmick89Quote Reply
Millertime,
I’m still not sure who pays minor league salaries. I know MLB teams pay the salaries of players on the 40-man roster, but I was thinking the rest were paid the teams themselves. If that is the case, I can definitely see some minor league teams folding. My question, and this has nothing to do with minor league salaries, is that really a bad thing? Does MLB need 10 affiliates? I’m guessing the answer to that is no and therefore Manfred needs a different argument.
dmick89Quote Reply
You’re confusing severity with relevance. If Kris Bryant stole a car, I’d be disappointed. But if he bet against the Cubs in the NLDS, I’d be ready to burn his effigy. And that’s not because I think betraying one’s sports team is “worse” than larceny.
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
(Similarly, I’d be much more angry if someone stole my car than if he stole someone else’s. And it’s not because my car is especially valuable.)
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
I’d love it if he stole my car, I have to shell out for new tires soon.
berseliusQuote Reply
berselius,
I’m at the ‘hope some drunk hits it while parked on the street’ stage myself.
uncle daveQuote Reply
nice to see brian matusz have a good start in tennessee yesterday. the way the rotation has looked the past few weeks, we might need him sooner rather than later.
EnricoPallazzoQuote Reply
If KB stole a car, I’m sure Cubs fans would probably blame the car owner for parking the car there to begin with. I mean, I’m not blaming the car owner, but that car going out painted like that, the car was asking to be stolen. And we don’t even know if KB stole the car! Maybe the Car owner wanted KB to drive the car, and is just trying to scam him now for a quick settlement. KB is innocent until proven guilty.
EdwinQuote Reply
EnricoPallazzo,
I figured he would be used in the bullpen when ready, but yeah, we might need him.
dmick89Quote Reply
Edwin,
(dying laughing)
dmick89Quote Reply
“Dickety”? Highly dubious!
Wenningtons Gorilla CockQuote Reply
https://twitter.com/FixYourLife/status/750474107641208832
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
that kaiser had stolen our word for “twenty”
EnricoPallazzoQuote Reply
I bet my car is shittier than all y’alls.
SKQuote Reply
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=29803
BP is doing an event in Milwaukee. Anyone else interested? Also, when I went to post this comment it defaulted to Myles. I’m not sure if that’s still supposed to be an issue or not.
EdwinQuote Reply
I’ll drive up there if I can get my car started.
SKQuote Reply
SK,
Or if Kris Bryant hasn’t stolen it.
EdwinQuote Reply
SK,
looks fine, i don’t think you’ll have any issues
EnricoPallazzoQuote Reply
his k/9 last night was 11.25! i see no reason that he won’t sustain that forever. granted, his ERA last night was 15.75 but i’m sure that just a small sample size issue.
EnricoPallazzoQuote Reply
You’re the third person to mention this over the last couple of weeks. It seems the glitch is almost completely fixed, but not entirely yet. I’ll send a support ticket along letting them know. I’m going to be out of town the next few days so I’ll be in and out of here. Please continue to let me know if it happens.
dmick89Quote Reply
Just for fun I was going to look at how much it would take to sign Bryant to a long term contract this offseason. I can say two things:
1. he breaks the system
2. it’s not going to happen (the Cubs won’t do it and Bryant won’t do it)
dmick89Quote Reply
It’s the day after my wife is due, or I’d otherwise try to make it.
MylesQuote Reply
Without looking at a single number, I’d offer him like 12/$360 right now. Buy out his arb years to keep the numbers at least in the stratosphere of current contracts.
MylesQuote Reply
Let’s say he’s worth 75 WAR over the next 12 years (seems reasonable). At just $7 MM a win, that’s $535 MM. Since you could get away with paying him $20 MM over the next 4 years (instead of the $180 MM he’s worth or whatever), take $160 off the contract. 12/$375 MM right there.
MylesQuote Reply
It’s not a glitch, the BP thing really is in Milwaukee.
EdwinQuote Reply
And my car really is a pile of shit
SKQuote Reply
If you believe Kris Bryant is a superstar player for the forseeable future, you could probably value at:
2017 age 25 (pre-arb) 8 WAR
2018 age 26 (pre-arb) 8.5 WAR
2019 age 27 (arb Super 2) 8 WAR
2020 age 28 (arb) 7.5 WAR
2021 age 29 (arb) 7 WAR
2022 age 30 (arb) 6.5 WAR
2023 age 31 6 WAR
2024 age 32 6 WAR
2025 age 33 5 WAR
2026 age 34 3 WAR
That’s 65.5 WAR over 10 years. David Price got $19 million in his final year of arbitration. Let’s say by 2022 that superstar players in their final year of arbitration make $30 million and go back from there. My rough guess would be around $76 million through 2022 in what the Cubs pay him (granted the CBA doesn’t change drastically which is not a given). What are those next 4-6 years worth to you?
I don’t think you can even start to think about extending Bryant for 2 if not 3 more years.
JonKneeVQuote Reply
don’t tell me what to do.
EnricoPallazzoQuote Reply
i guess the ASG television ratings were pretty horrendous. like historically bad, especially among anyone under 50. so SK watched it but no one else did. i wonder if people not giving a shit about the ASG makes it more likely that it will go back to being an insignificant exhibition game? or if manfred just ramps up the insanity in a desperate attempt to improve ratings?
EnricoPallazzoQuote Reply
JonKneeV,
I’m using a significantly lower starting point and getting about $50 million per year in average annual value if he wasn’t a free agent (and that obviously wouldn’t even happen if he was a free agent). You have to do some guesstimating as you’ve done because that breaks the system of using percentage of projected value to determine arbitration salary.
This. I don’t think there’s any value the Cubs could come up with right now that wouldn’t offend Kris Bryant and I don’t think there’s any value KB’s team could come up with that wouldn’t offend the Cubs.
Myles’s 12/360 probably wouldn’t offend KB’s team, but I’m not sure it gets done. I’m guessing they’re wanting to see what happens with Bryce Harper in a couple years before they even think about an extension. Actually, I think both sides want to see what happens there.
dmick89Quote Reply
I think KB is a superstar, but I have trouble projecting someone to be worth 8 WAR. I think there’s maybe 1, 2 players per year you can do that for and I don’t think KB is one of them. Not yet. Trout and Kershaw are my two right now. I don’t think KB is in that class yet.
dmick89Quote Reply
Finally, considering how good the Cubs expect to be over the next few years, I think the financial flexibility that they currently have because of his reduced salary is probably of better benefit to the Cubs than extending Bryant at a higher annual cost.
dmick89Quote Reply
God I hope so. I liked Brandon McCarthy’s idea.
SKQuote Reply
SK,
That would be awesome. I’d watch that.
dmick89Quote Reply
Drew Pomeranz —–> BOS
PerkinsQuote Reply
Shelby Miller ———-> Reno
berseliusQuote Reply
berselius,
that trade just keeps getting better and better for the dbacks.
EnricoPallazzoQuote Reply
How come Fowler wasn’t in either lineup for SB today?
dmick89Quote Reply
dmick89,
he’s a really nice guy and feels bad about beating up on milb pitchers so he’s decided to forego a rehab stint. The only other rational explanation is that he’s not as ready as he claimed but I’m sure that’s not the case.
EnricoPallazzoQuote Reply
EnricoPallazzo,
Oh or maybe he’s just too lazy to do a proper rehab? Are all minorities lazy or is it just hispanics?
EDIT I forgot that there are apparently thousands of people that read this site that don’t comment and may not read every article. That was a joke.
EnricoPallazzoQuote Reply
berselius,
How’s Dansby Swanson doing?
Rizzo the RatQuote Reply
Is that true? I figured there was the 20 or so commenters and maybe like 4.5 other people. Not sure I can frequent a blog that is legitimately popular.
Wenningtons Gorilla CockQuote Reply
Wenningtons Gorilla Cock,
dunno but someone (dmick?) said a week or two ago that there are like a shitload (as in a few thousand) of daily visitors to this site. i may have taken that out of context though and/or just made it up while on one of my many peyote trips.
and yes i agree that i want no part of a blog that a lot of people visit. this should be a safe place to talk about cast iron cookware and milf pizza hut porn with no judgement from others. #makeOVgreatagain
EnricoPallazzoQuote Reply
http://obstructedview.net/series-preview-texas-rangers-54-36-at-chicago-cubs-53-35/
berseliusQuote Reply