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  1. Recalcitrant Blogger Nate

    Given the amount of interest reported in Jimenez, the Cubs REALLY need to at least explore dealing Garza or Dempster. If the Yankees are asking, you can try to get Betances or Banuelos back. I wonder if the Cubs could trade Garza and Soto to NYY for Betances and Montero. That would cover 1B and SP for 2012, and the Cubs could then sign CJ Wilson and someone else who can hit.

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  2. Berselius

    [quote name=Recalcitrant Blogger Nate]Given the amount of interest reported in Jimenez, the Cubs REALLY need to at least explore dealing Garza or Dempster. If the Yankees are asking, you can try to get Betances or Banuelos back. I wonder if the Cubs could trade Garza and Soto to NYY for Betances and Montero. That would cover 1B and SP for 2012, and the Cubs could then sign CJ Wilson and someone else who can hit.[/quote]
    Yes, this. For the Alvin + CJ Wilson stuff alone (dying laughing)

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  3. binky

    [quote name=Aisle424]Never say being a Cubs fan doesn’t have its benefits.[/quote]
    Crippling depression is a benefit? I remember watching a few Marlins games last year to cheer myself up. At least we’re not THAT bad. Now I can’t even do that.

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  4. Aisle424

    [quote name=josh]Crippling depression is a benefit? I remember watching a few Marlins games last year to cheer myself up. At least we’re not THAT bad. Now I can’t even do that.[/quote]
    We learn to expect defeat and are prepared for events like the ones that unfolded in the soccer match today. Can you imagine how crushing today would be for people whose teams actually succeed when presented with an opportunity? Today barely even phased Cubs fans.

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  5. Rice Cube

    If anyone is actually watching the Red Sox-Rays game, the Sox LF just made an incredible catch at the wall. Awesome. To the 11th!

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  6. Rice Cube

    13th damned inning. They should just declare a loss for both teams for not scoring through 12 full innings. Gah!

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  7. binky

    I’ve only made it through the first disk of the first season of Breaking Bad. Liking it so far, but I do have to scroll quickly through some of these comments at times to avoid spoilers.

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  8. Dr. Aneus Taint

    [quote name=Berselius]Yes, this. For the Alvin + CJ Wilson stuff alone (dying laughing)[/quote]
    Might need to revisit that today.

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  9. binky

    [quote name=Aisle424]We learn to expect defeat and are prepared for events like the ones that unfolded in the soccer match today. Can you imagine how crushing today would be for people whose teams actually succeed when presented with an opportunity? Today barely even phased Cubs fans.[/quote]Which is itself depressing.

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  10. binky

    The Pirates are inquiring on Hunter Pence. That would kill any chance the Cubs have of getting the #1 draft pick, methinks.

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  11. GBTS

    [quote name=josh]The Pirates are inquiring on Hunter Pence. That would kill any chance the Cubs have of getting the #1 draft pick, methinks.[/quote](dying laughing) Maybe the Cubs could send Pena and Garza to the Astros.

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  12. dylanj

    Shouldn’t this be a fanshot?
    by ubercubsfan on Jul 17, 2011 9:38 PM CDT reply

    It is a fanshot
    …but I probably shouldn’t have made it a “chat.”

    by Kyle From Chicago on Jul 17, 2011 9:41 PM CDT up reply

    I think he meant to say fanpost
    longer substantive posts usually go in FanPosts, while FanShots are more for sharing links and photos and such.

    by Bradsbeard on Jul 17, 2011 10:35 PM CDT up reply

    Correct.
    Maybe I need to make another post about this.

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    by Al Yellon on Jul 18, 2011 6:28 AM CDT up reply

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  13. Aisle424

    [quote name=dylanj]Shouldn’t this be a fanshot?
    by ubercubsfan on Jul 17, 2011 9:38 PM CDT reply

    It is a fanshot
    …but I probably shouldn’t have made it a “chat.”

    by Kyle From Chicago on Jul 17, 2011 9:41 PM CDT up reply

    I think he meant to say fanpost
    longer substantive posts usually go in FanPosts, while FanShots are more for sharing links and photos and such.

    by Bradsbeard on Jul 17, 2011 10:35 PM CDT up reply

    Correct.
    Maybe I need to make another post about this.

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    by Al Yellon on Jul 18, 2011 6:28 AM CDT up reply
    [/quote]
    This should have been an Unobstructed View. Maybe I need to make another post about this.

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  14. mb21

    [quote name=Aisle424]This should have been an Unobstructed View. Maybe I need to make another post about this.[/quote]We obviously have not been very clear about this. The four of us need to start working on this immediately. Hopefully in 3-4 weeks we’ll have something for our readers.

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  15. binky

    Ed Wade, according to wikipedia, is “currently ranked the 29th best general manager in Sports Illustrated.”

    I wonder who the unlucky guy is who’s last?

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  16. Mercurial Outfielder

    Who did I see standing outside the Cubs dugout? White people. I may have missed a player or two, but the entire Cubs team never is seen standing for the anthem as their opponents are.

    Fixed for intent.

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  17. Mercurial Outfielder

    [quote name=adam88johnson]Soccer sucks[/quote]Bean porridge hot.
    Bean porridge cold.
    Bean porridge in the pot, nine days old.

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  18. Mercurial Outfielder

    [quote name=dylanj]hey MO- you ever hear of a faget band called the Civil Wars? Not bad at all[/quote]Nope, but I will check them out.

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  19. Berselius

    [quote name=Aisle424]This should have been an Unobstructed View. Maybe I need to make another post about this.[/quote]
    I lament the fact that there was no reference to a misting station

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  20. Berselius

    If I had a dime for every annoying penalty kick related joke/dig on soccer during the Rays/Sox game last night, I would have a shitload of dimes.

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  21. Rice Cube

    [quote name=Berselius]If I had a dime for every annoying penalty kick related joke/dig on soccer during the Rays/Sox game last night, I would have a shitload of dimes.[/quote]
    16 innings worth!

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  22. Mish

    [quote name=Berselius]If I had a dime for every annoying penalty kick related joke/dig on soccer during the Rays/Sox game last night, I would have a shitload of dimes.[/quote]
    Add Kaplan’s twitter feed to that.

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  23. Dr. Aneus Taint

    [quote name=The Wreckard]http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2011/7/16/2279153/the-wall-street-journal-on-cubs-ticket-sales#72039380

    (Dying laughing) at that entire exchange.[/quote]

    Hey!

    You kids get off my lawn!

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    by Al Yellon on Jul 17, 2011 6:28 PM CDT upreply

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  24. ACT

    My question is: if we give Randy Johnson the record for most strikeouts in a 9-inning game that went into extras, why don’t we give Harvey Haddix credit for a perfect game?

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  25. Rice Cube

    [quote name=ACT]My question is: if we give Randy Johnson the record for most strikeouts in a 9-inning game that went into extras, why don’t we give Harvey Haddix credit for a perfect game?[/quote]
    I don’t think you can call it a perfect game if it’s lost in extras. If some reliever had come in for the 12th or whatever inning he lost it in and then finished it up it probably would’ve been considered a combined perfecto. But Haddix lost it and that seems pretty straightforward. If he had pitched an extra-innings perfect game though, it would’ve been the stuff of megalegend, but everybody still knows that he had one up until he lost it.

    If he had pitched 9 perfect innings and then left, then I think they give him credit for nine perfect innings but there’s no perfect game unless the relievers can keep baserunners off as well.

    The Randy Johnson thing is pretty interesting though. Sort of similar to Haddix, I think that just because his team couldn’t exactly score for him, you can’t take away his 9-inning record (tied, anyway), just as you can’t say Haddix sucked because he couldn’t complete a perfect game in extras. He can only control his contribution on the mound and that day it was a pretty awesome contribution.

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  26. Rice Cube

    [quote name=ACT]This is the full Neyer piece that was excerpted: http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/7/18/2277940/rob-neyer-suspended-espn%5B/quote%5D
    This part amused me:

    This seemed to me a non-terrible outcome: I get to keep my really cool job, with a week of unpaid vacation. I spent most of it in Chicago, visiting Wrigley Field a few times and learning that Fenway’s a better place to see a baseball game.

    Never been to Fenway but I have been to Boston. Looks like a nice place to catch a ball game.

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  27. Berselius

    [quote name=Rice Cube]Never been to Fenway but I have been to Boston. Looks like a nice place to catch a ball game.[/quote]
    I’m surprised to hear Neyer say that. Most of the complaints I heard about Fenway pre-renovation suggested that it was a worse place to see a game than Wrigley. Apparently all the seats were designed for people even shorter than I am, and a lot of them didn’t directly face the field.

    Wrigley is a dump but I’ll always defend it because the upper deck box seats >> all other seats in baseball, view-wise.

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  28. Aisle424

    [quote name=Berselius]
    Wrigley is a dump but I’ll always defend it because the upper deck box seats >> all other seats in baseball, view-wise.[/quote]
    Correct.

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  29. Aisle424

    Fenway is fine, but the seat angles in some of the areas are weird and they are very small. They all seem to be the same size as the Upper Deck reserved seats in Wrigley, and maybe a little smaller. I’ve never been super-comfortable at a game in Fenway. I’ve never sat in the infield, so maybe that’s different.

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  30. Rice Cube

    [quote name=Aisle424]Fenway is fine, but the seat angles in some of the areas are weird and they are very small. They all seem to be the same size as the Upper Deck reserved seats in Wrigley, and maybe a little smaller. I’ve never been super-comfortable at a game in Fenway. I’ve never sat in the infield, so maybe that’s different.[/quote]
    I imagine Fenway has about as many obstructed views as Wrigley does, and being an older ballpark, they’d have more Smurf-seats than Wrigley does. I didn’t realize people were so small back then. I’m not that big of a guy and I have issues getting to my seat and find them cramped at Wrigley, so I can imagine how Fenway folks might feel.

    Here’s another thing from Neyer re: the clutch hitter:

    http://207.56.97.150/articles/neyerclutch.htm

    That was a pretty nice read.

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  31. GBTS

    [quote name=Berselius]

    Wrigley is a dump but I’ll always defend it because the upper corner of the left field bleachers >>>> all other seats in baseball for keeping score and being ignorant.[/quote]Correct’d

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  32. ACT

    Fangraphs just updated their UZR ratings. The two Cubs leaders in this category are…. wait for it…. Campana and Soriano.

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  33. Rice Cube

    [quote name=ACT]Fangraphs just updated their UZR ratings. The two Cubs leaders in this category are…. wait for it…. Campana and Soriano.[/quote]
    It’s either a sign of the Apocalypse or an indicator that all your fagety spreadsheets are broken.

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  34. mb21

    Wrigley is a dump but I’ll always defend it because the upper deck box seats >> all other seats in baseball, view-wise.

    How so? I’ve never sat in the upper deck at Wrigley, but it’s hard for me to believe those seats are better than anywhere else. I can’t imagine there aren’t better seats at Wrigley. In fact, if those are the best seats that Wrigley has, that’s an argument for tearing the place down.

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  35. Rice Cube

    [quote name=mb21]How so? I’ve never sat in the upper deck at Wrigley, but it’s hard for me to believe those seats are better than anywhere else. I can’t imagine there aren’t better seats at Wrigley. In fact, if those are the best seats that Wrigley has, that’s an argument for tearing the place down.[/quote]
    If you have an unobstructed view from the upper deck (the 400s are pretty much unobstructed and most of the 500s are okay) then you have a pretty good view of the entire field just about anywhere you sit up there. So I’m in agreement with what b says.

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  36. Aisle424

    [quote name=mb21]How so? I’ve never sat in the upper deck at Wrigley, but it’s hard for me to believe those seats are better than anywhere else. I can’t imagine there aren’t better seats at Wrigley. In fact, if those are the best seats that Wrigley has, that’s an argument for tearing the place down.[/quote]
    I like that I can see the whole field, not be a million miles away, and not have beer vendors and other people constantly walking between me and the action. They are the best upper deck seats I’ve ever seen. In the lower section it seems like there is always somebody in my way that’s pissing me off.

    So unless I can afford the Ricketts’ seats down by the Cubs on-deck circle, or right behind the dugout or something, the upper deck are the best seats accessible by people with normal human budgets. in my opinion.

    Some prefer the left field foul pole.

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  37. Aisle424

    [quote name=Rice Cube]If you have an unobstructed view from the upper deck (the 400s are pretty much unobstructed and most of the 500s are okay) then you have a pretty good view of the entire field just about anywhere you sit up there. So I’m in agreement with what b says.[/quote]
    No 400 seat is obstructed. 500 level can be annoying because the walkway is between the section and the field. but they are about 1/4 to 1/3 the price of UD box.

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  38. Aisle424

    Bottom line is that the last row of the 500 level in Wrigley is closer than the first row of the upper deck at the Cell.

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  39. mb21

    Ok, I get what you guys are saying now. I initially thought berselius was saying they’re the best seats in baseball.

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  40. Rice Cube

    [quote name=mb21]Ok, I get what you guys are saying now. I initially thought berselius was saying they’re the best seats in baseball.[/quote]
    They are.

    /Cub homer’d

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  41. Rice Cube

    [quote name=Aisle424]No 400 seat is obstructed. 500 level can be annoying because the walkway is between the section and the field. but they are about 1/4 to 1/3 the price of UD box.[/quote]
    I usually get 500s level seats and I can either move to a non-obstructed area or down to the 400s if I want to. Free/$1 tickets FTW.

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  42. Aisle424

    [quote name=mb21]Ok, I get what you guys are saying now. I initially thought berselius was saying they’re the best seats in baseball.[/quote]
    I’m a bit biased, but unless there is something pretty unique about the situation (Monster seats, the overlook of McCovey Cove, right by an on-deck circle, etc.) the best seats for me are upper deck behind home plate and Wrigley upper deck is the best I’ve been in. So take that for what it’s worth.

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  43. Rice Cube

    I figure I should probably sit in the bleachers at least once, but other than being able to catch a home run ball, I don’t really see the appeal of it. I was also really surprised that the bleacher ticket prices were similar to the upper deck seat prices.

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  44. Dr. Aneus Taint

    [quote name=GBTS]Agreed, Leinart should be higher.[/quote]
    I agree. If they’re going by total career, Leinart should be higher. If they’re going by peak, VY should be higher.

    And Tim Tebow won 2 MNCs the same way Tommy Agee won 2 Super Bowls with DAL in the 90s.

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