So, I’ve been at work and wasn’t able to pay much attention to the rubber game against the Phillies today. With Ryan Dempster going up against rookie starter, Vance Worley, you had to figure the Cubs had as good a shot as they could expect to take the series from the best team in the National League.
How’d it go, Ryan?
That good, huh?
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You might have to change up the “Cubs Lose” tag here and there or else it’ll bring up every blog post ever posted on this site.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]You might have to change up the “Cubs Lose” tag here and there or else it’ll bring up every blog post ever posted on this site.[/quote]
My goal is to have the Cubs losing crash the internets. Then they’ll pay…. (evil laugh)
Aisle424Quote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]You might have to change up the “Cubs Lose” tag here and there or else it’ll bring up every blog post ever posted on this site.[/quote](dying laughing)
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=Aisle424]My goal is to have the Cubs losing crash the internets. Then they’ll pay…. (evil laugh)[/quote]You guys were talking about the lack of a plan in the last thread. I first noticed it in late 2009. It was right about the time Tom Ricketts took possession of the club and, as Selig stated, was responsible for the decision making. They haven’t had a plan since then and they don’t now. It’s bizarre. It’s almost like they started thinking they had a plan for a hundred years and lost so fuck it, let’s not have a plan and see if we win.
mb21Quote Reply
Quade post game remarks:
“So, now, it’s a matter, I mean put the negativity behind us. Play with some freaking intensity and continue to work on playing the game the way we need to play. And we’re not. And that’s what we’re looking for and it’s not universal. We’ve got to clean up some specific areas.”
He was then asked about the performance of his vets, he said, that he likes Marlon’s intensity and Rami has been playing great. He then went on to say how mad he was that Starlin lost a pop-up in the sun. He said Cassie and Barn play together every day and that can’t happen. It was as if all is great but the problem with this team is Cassie’s intensity and focus. He came in late and gave the impression it was because he had been talking to certain players. Sounds like he bitched Cassie out for Dempster’s bed shitting and the 9-1 loss.
melissaQuote Reply
^ I saw the pop-up fail and pretty much dismissed it because the sun was blasting down on the entire stadium. Sometimes shit just happens but it’s unfair that Castro seems to be getting crap because Dempster had a bad day.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=mb21]You guys were talking about the lack of a plan in the last thread. I first noticed it in late 2009. It was right about the time Tom Ricketts took possession of the club and, as Selig stated, was responsible for the decision making. They haven’t had a plan since then and they don’t now. It’s bizarre. It’s almost like they started thinking they had a plan for a hundred years and lost so fuck it, let’s not have a plan and see if we win.[/quote]
Well, I thought the plan was to go young and shed payroll, but then the Garza trade happened and the farm went south, so I’m thinking they have a plan but don’t know how to execute it right. The draft made me sort of happy, so let’s see what happens.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
I expect a new thread up for Cuey’s remarks.
Ya Cuey, that popup was the reason the Cubs lost today. Don’t you guys know? Pop-ups are worth 8 runs if they aren’t caught.
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They just played Quade’s remarks at the very start of the presser which were made before the previous comment I made:
“I was disappointed in the start and I needed to talk to the kids in the middle of the diamond about that. Demp wasn’t as sharp as you wanted. But we set a bad tone and we’ve got to stop. The ball is in the sun, they’re communicating. Cassie thought he had that all the way. It’s just, I look back at this whole game and look at that play. And the sun’s been in the same damn spot for however long Wrigley Field’s been here. Those are the kinds of mistakes, there are certain ones you’ll accept. Those are other ones that have to be taken care of. ”
melissaQuote Reply
I’ve been to Wrigley numerous times and I wasn’t aware that the sun is always in the same spot. Interesting.
melissaQuote Reply
[quote name=melissa]I’ve been to Wrigley numerous times and I wasn’t aware that the sun is always in the same spot. Interesting.[/quote]http://www.isthesunalwaysinthesamespotatwrigley?.net
I think Cuie may have had too much sun or something today. His comments are kind of nonsensical.
cwolfQuote Reply
[quote name=melissa]I’ve been to Wrigley numerous times and I wasn’t aware that the sun is always in the same spot. Interesting.[/quote]
You do realize that they can’t blame the white people for sucking, right?
Rice CubeQuote Reply
Cassie should never lose pop-ups in the sun. Do they not have daylight in the Dominican? The truly sad thing about all of this is that Mike Quade actually believes they lost that game because his 21 year old short stop lost a ball in the sun.
melissaQuote Reply
Looks like Seattle is making a nice push in the standings
(dying laughing)
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[quote name=melissa]Cassie should never lose pop-ups in the sun. Do they not have daylight in the Dominican? The truly sad thing about all of this is that Mike Quade actually believes they lost that game because his 21 year old short stop lost a ball in the sun.[/quote]
(stolen meme)
I don’t think the dropped pop-up was that big of a deal, I was at the game and the sun was pretty unforgiving. He probably makes that out 90% of the time, but maybe Xenu shined a laser pointer in his eyes from deep space or something. Quade shouldn’t be trying to pin this on one play though.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
Cubs within 5.5 games of Houston for #1 pick. A sweep will get them within 2.5 games and then I think there’s only two more Astros series left in the season so it’s pretty important to try to make up some ground.
/reverse rooting’d
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[quote name=Rice Cube]^ I saw the pop-up fail and pretty much dismissed it because the sun was blasting down on the entire stadium. Sometimes shit just happens but it’s unfair that Castro seems to be getting crap because Dempster had a bad day.[/quote]
Of cours e it’s unfair but Quade is a joke of a manager. He has a different set of rules.
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[quote name=melissa]Quade post game remarks:
“So, now, it’s a matter, I mean put the negativity behind us. Play with some freaking intensity and continue to work on playing the game the way we need to play. And we’re not. And that’s what we’re looking for and it’s not universal. We’ve got to clean up some specific areas.”
He was then asked about the performance of his vets, he said, that he likes Marlon’s intensity and Rami has been playing great. He then went on to say how mad he was that Starlin lost a pop-up in the sun. He said Cassie and Barn play together every day and that can’t happen. It was as if all is great but the problem with this team is Cassie’s intensity and focus. He came in late and gave the impression it was because he had been talking to certain players. Sounds like he bitched Cassie out for Dempster’s bed shitting and the 9-1 loss.[/quote]
Did Quade not realize Ramires just showed up for the season at the beginning of June?? Nice vacation Ramirez
jason88Quote Reply
I hope NOBODY is a Quade supporter. The guy is in over his head managing a major league baseball team. I hope he’s not here next year
jason88Quote Reply
From what I heard (I listened to the game on the radio) it seemed that Castro failed to call for help from Barney when he lost the ball.
ACTQuote Reply
[quote name=ACT]From what I heard (I listened to the game on the radio) it seemed that Castro failed to call for help from Barney when he lost the ball.[/quote]
I don’t know if you’ve seen the replay but he was under the ball, it was just off his glove. It may have even hit his glove. It wasn’t as if he never had the ball, he just lost it at the last second when it was too late to tell Barney to take it.
melissaQuote Reply
[quote name=jason88]I hope NOBODY is a Quade supporter. The guy is in over his head managing a major league baseball team. I hope he’s not here next year[/quote]
Depends on what you think the team will do next year. If they contend, you probably want new blood. If they’re rebuilding, and given that they have to pay Q anyway, just let him do his bumbling and get another high draft pick. In a rebuild it doesn’t make sense to hire a big name or a new manager when you gotta pay the previous guy no matter what.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=melissa]I don’t know if you’ve seen the replay but he was under the ball, it was just off his glove. It may have even hit his glove. It wasn’t as if he never had the ball, he just lost it at the last second when it was too late to tell Barney to take it.[/quote]
That was about what I saw from left-center. I don’t think it hit his glove though.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]Depends on what you think the team will do next year. If they contend, you probably want new blood. If they’re rebuilding, and given that they have to pay Q anyway, just let him do his bumbling and get another high draft pick. In a rebuild it doesn’t make sense to hire a big name or a new manager when you gotta pay the previous guy no matter what.[/quote]
I can’t deal with his nonsense for 162 games again. To be honest I haven’t watched a game since Memorial Day. Just read what happens online. If he is back next year, I have a feeling something bad will happen. Young guy freaks out on him or something (dying laughing). I wonder what Castro thinks of him
jason88Quote Reply
Oh and now we know why all the veterans supported Quade. He’s a veteran guy. Won’t lash out at them.
Remember this quote from Soriano?
“We like to know when we play,” Cubs outfielder Alfonso Soriano said Monday. “We asked him in Atlanta, ‘Let us know when we play, and when we have a day off.’ And he said, ‘Yes,’ but he never did it. That doesn’t make everybody comfortable.
“[Mike Quade] is different. If you’re off on Friday, he told me like two or three days before. So that makes me play more hard for him, because he has a lot of respect for me. And he knows what he wants, and he knows how to treat the players.”
So according to Soriano he plays harder for Quade because Quade tells him when he has a day off coming up??? Is this so Sori can go find some women the night before and be up all night?? What a joke. Nice job admitting that you didn’t play hard in 2010 under Lou.
jason88Quote Reply
[quote name=melissa]I’ve been to Wrigley numerous times and I wasn’t aware that the sun is always in the same spot. Interesting.[/quote](dying laughing)
(dying laughing)
(dying laughing)
GBTSQuote Reply
Popups always pass directly through the sun the same way too. No variance whatsoever at Wrigley.
GBTSQuote Reply
[quote name=jason88]I hope NOBODY is a Quade supporter. The guy is in over his head managing a major league baseball team. I hope he’s not here next year[/quote]I’m no fan of Baldy McGrindy, but I don’t think any manager could do much with this club. But at least they would be able to shut their fucking yap. Quade just can’t shut his gaping maw for even one goddamned second.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
You know, on an astronomical level the Sun might always be in the same spot. We need Shawn to come back and write an Unobstructed View on Quade’s postgame interview.
GBTSQuote Reply
I don’t care in the least who’s managing the club at this point.
ACTQuote Reply
Look, as much as I loathe Mr. Mouth Diarrhea, it’s not his fault he can’t do anything with the shitfail roster Hendry gave him.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=ACT]I don’t care in the least who’s managing the club at this point.[/quote]THIS. The roster is fucked, the FO is feckless and the org as a whole is heading backwards in time. The manager should be the least of the fans’ worries, and instead, they’ll greedily gobble up the spoonful of assfuck Ricketts hands them when he fires Quade and scapegoats for a season that was lost before it even began.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=GBTS]You know, on an astronomical level the Sun might always be in the same spot. We need Shawn to come back and write an Unobstructed View on Quade’s postgame interview.[/quote]
That would be awesome.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Look, as much as I loathe Mr. Mouth Diarrhea, it’s not his fault he can’t do anything with the shitfail roster Hendry gave him.[/quote]
I agree. I just don’t like to hear him blame a 9-1 loss on his shortstop losing the ball in the sun. I also don’t like the only player on this roster that matters being the fall guy. Castro could use an actual Manager that might foster his development, Quade isn’t that guy.
melissaQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]That would be awesome.[/quote]I wonder at what speed Wrigley would have to be moving to keep the sun static in the sky.
GBTSQuote Reply
[quote name=GBTS]I wonder at what speed Wrigley would have to be moving to keep the sun static in the sky.[/quote]
Probably faster than Tony Campana.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=melissa]I agree. I just don’t like to hear him blame a 9-1 loss on his shortstop losing the ball in the sun. I also don’t like the only player on this roster that matters being the fall guy. Castro could use an actual Manager that might foster his development, Quade isn’t that guy.[/quote]Yeah, but we should expect that from Quade from now on. It’s at least the third time he’s shouldered Castro with blame for a loss based on an inconsequential mistake.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]Probably faster than Tony Campana.[/quote]After thinking it through for 30 seconds, I’m pretty sure the answer is obviously the speed the earth rotates.
GBTSQuote Reply
There are two very different conversations going on right now. (dying laughing)
GBTSQuote Reply
[quote name=GBTS]After thinking it through for 30 seconds, I’m pretty sure the answer is obviously the speed the earth rotates.[/quote]
I thought the orbit around the sun was elliptical (which is another problem altogether), and at the speed the earth rotates, while the sun is still there, at some point Wrigley Field will be on the side not facing the sun, so I don’t think that works.
/not an astronomer
Rice CubeQuote Reply
I’m talking about rotation though, not orbit. I think if Wrigley was moving due west at the speed the earth rotates, it would cancel out the sun setting. You might have to make an adjustment for latitude, although conceptually I would think the rotation of the earth at Chicago is the same as the equator, like two points on a vinyl record.
Fucking Quade.
GBTSQuote Reply
Ah, I thought you were trying to do as Melissa suggested and keep the sun in a stationary position over Wrigley Field such that there is no variance on a pop-up to Starlin Castro. My mistake. But I’m eating dinner and I don’t want to vomit it up so I’ll just skip dinner tomorrow.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
Do we have a Shawn signal?
GBTSQuote Reply
[quote name=GBTS]Do we have a Shawn signal?[/quote]
I believe in geocentric models of the solar system?
MishQuote Reply
[quote name=Mish]I believe in geocentric models of the solar system?[/quote]
Infidel.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
Via Miles:
1.) It’s bullshit, and Ricketts is too stupid to realize the best thing he can do, PR-wise, is let it get out that he’s looking to upgrade/supplement the FO.
2.) Nothing is going to change with the Cubs and Kenney and Hendry will stay while Quade is scapegoated for an atrocious season.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Mish]I believe in geocentric models of the solar system?[/quote]Galileo’s theories were so good we decided to cut them short.
/Pope Quade
GBTSQuote Reply
[quote name=GBTS]Galileo’s theories were so good we decided to cut them short.
/Pope Quade[/quote](dying laughing)
MishQuote Reply
More from Miles, re: Quade talking up Castro’s mistake:
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]More from Miles, re: Quade talking up Castro’s mistake:[/quote]Fans this season refuse to eat up the lazy/selfish memes we see every year. See Sullivan, Paul.
That something about how awful people view this team, they’re too upset to gobble up the bullshit.
GBTSQuote Reply
[quote name=GBTS]Fans this season refuse to eat up the lazy/selfish memes we see every year. See Sullivan, Paul.
That something about how awful people view this team, they’re too upset to gobble up the bullshit.[/quote]It seems so. I wonder if they didn’t completely expose themselves with the Bradley invective. At some point, it seems Cub fans realized that the emperor was not wearing any clothes.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=GBTS]Fans this season refuse to eat up the lazy/selfish memes we see every year. See Sullivan, Paul.
That something about how awful people view this team, they’re too upset to gobble up the bullshit.[/quote]
Maybe if the bullshit were molded into Japanese shitburger form it’d be better gobbled.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]It seems so. I wonder if they didn’t completely expose themselves with the Bradley invective. At some point, it seems Cub fans realized that the emperor was not wearing any clothes.[/quote]Eh, I think you’d see the same old reaction if it were Z or Aramis or (God forbid) Soriano. I refuse to believe that the average fan has been enlightened.
More likely, they all have about one thing to be jazzed about this year and it’s Starlin Castro. They just don’t want some bald old circus freak shitting on their lone bright spot.
uncle daveQuote Reply
I bet Sandberg is dancing a fucking jig he didn’t get the gig.
MuckerQuote Reply
Goddamn it, I hate these Pics of the Day. This used to be the only Cubs blog I could reliably read watching games a day behind from the UK, since nobody ever actually talked about what the Cubs were doing unless it was to make fun of somebody flubbing a play (which was never really a surprise).
Granted, the Cubs losing isn’t really a surprise either… But I for one despise this new trend towards timeliness. Like all Cubs fans, I am happier to remain buried in the past and stupidly hoping for the future.
Well… I guess now that Wednesday’s game has been ruined for me, I might as well look at the funny gifs.
fang2415Quote Reply
[quote name=Muckey]I bet Sandberg is dancing a fucking jig he didn’t get the gig.[/quote]Every. Fucking. Day.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=fang2415]Goddamn it, I hate these Pics of the Day. This used to be the only Cubs blog I could reliably read watching games a day behind from the UK, since nobody ever actually talked about what the Cubs were doing unless it was to make fun of somebody flubbing a play (which was never really a surprise).
Granted, the Cubs losing isn’t really a surprise either… But I for one despise this new trend towards timeliness. Like all Cubs fans, I am happier to remain buried in the past and stupidly hoping for the future.
Well… I guess now that Wednesday’s game has been ruined for me, I might as well look at the funny gifs.[/quote](dying laughing)
At this point, I’m so disenfranchisd with this…errr…franchise that I can admit the only reason I keep in touch with the Cubs is so that I can be relevant here on this blog. (dying laughing)
MishQuote Reply
[quote name=fang2415]Goddamn it, I hate these Pics of the Day. This used to be the only Cubs blog I could reliably read watching games a day behind from the UK, since nobody ever actually talked about what the Cubs were doing unless it was to make fun of somebody flubbing a play (which was never really a surprise).
Granted, the Cubs losing isn’t really a surprise either… But I for one despise this new trend towards timeliness. Like all Cubs fans, I am happier to remain buried in the past and stupidly hoping for the future.
Well… I guess now that Wednesday’s game has been ruined for me, I might as well look at the funny gifs.[/quote]This should’ve been a fanpost.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
Listening to Quade’s comments now, and…this guy…
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Listening to Quade’s comments now, and…this guy…[/quote]
I’m starting to think that he’s borderline delusional and not just inept.
melissaQuote Reply
[quote name=fang2415]Goddamn it, I hate these Pics of the Day. This used to be the only Cubs blog I could reliably read watching games a day behind from the UK, since nobody ever actually talked about what the Cubs were doing unless it was to make fun of somebody flubbing a play (which was never really a surprise).
Granted, the Cubs losing isn’t really a surprise either… But I for one despise this new trend towards timeliness. Like all Cubs fans, I am happier to remain buried in the past and stupidly hoping for the future.
Well… I guess now that Wednesday’s game has been ruined for me, I might as well look at the funny gifs.[/quote]Why do you hate the PoDs? The content is always the same as the other posts. If you have a question, ask, I’m sure somebody would be glad to answer it for you. This blog has some of the smartest baseball guys I’ve ever convo’d with. I don’t really understand the hate.
MuckerQuote Reply
Jim Thome is 4 HR away from 600. Here’s his swing from 596, and check out Delmon Young’s face in the background. (dying laughing)
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Jim Thome is 4 HR away from 600. Here’s his swing from 596, and check out Delmon Young’s face in the background. (dying laughing)
MuckerQuote Reply
[quote name=melissa]I’m starting to think that he’s borderline delusional and not just inept.[/quote]”The louder he spoke of his virtue, the faster we counted our spoons.” ~Emerson
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Muckey]I think that’s Delmon Young.[/quote]’Tis.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
Jim Thome brings out Delmon’s O face. (dying laughing)
melissaQuote Reply
[quote name=Muckey]Why do you hate the PoDs? The content is always the same as the other posts. If you have a question, ask, I’m sure somebody would be glad to answer it for you. This blog has some of the smartest baseball guys I’ve ever convo’d with. I don’t really understand the hate.[/quote]I think fang posted that with tongue firmly in cheek.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Jim Thome is 4 HR away from 600. Here’s his swing from 596, and check out Delmon Young’s face in the background. (dying laughing)
Someone remember this for Ryno tomorrow morning; I’m sure he can do something fun with Young’s O face.
MishQuote Reply
[quote name=Muckey]Why do you hate the PoDs? The content is always the same as the other posts. If you have a question, ask, I’m sure somebody would be glad to answer it for you. This blog has some of the smartest baseball guys I’ve ever convo’d with. I don’t really understand the hate.[/quote]Pretty sure hes saying the PoDs reveal the games outcome, as opposed to 95% of the other content here.
GBTSQuote Reply
[quote name=GBTS]Pretty sure hes saying the PoDs reveal the games outcome, as opposed to 95% of the other content here.[/quote]Oh I get it. So does he want us to continue to talk about Breaking Bad then?
MuckerQuote Reply
Local sports radio says the Cubs are the only team in baseball who have not won 3 straight games this season.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Local sports radio says the Cubs are the only team in baseball who have not won 3 straight games this season.[/quote]
Absolutely. Correct.
melissaQuote Reply
Holy shit. Just hearing Glanville’s rendition of TMOTTBG…wow. Shambolic.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=melissa]Absolutely. Correct.[/quote]Truly, indeed, the best; is yet to–come.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]This should’ve been a fanpost.[/quote][quote name=GBTS]Pretty sure hes saying the PoDs reveal the games outcome, as opposed to 95% of the other content here.[/quote]Correct. Although the other 95% also mostly says “Cubs Lose”, so maybe I’m overreacting.
fang2415Quote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]This should’ve been a fanpost.[/quote]No, it should have been a fanshot. WOULD SOMEBODY FINALLY DO A POST EXPLAINING THIS PLEASE
fang2415Quote Reply
[quote name=fang2415]No, it should have been a fanshot. WOULD SOMEBODY FINALLY DO A POST EXPLAINING THIS PLEASE[/quote]Don’t tell me what to do.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
I only read about the first 10 to 15 comments, but from what I can gather, Starlin Castro missed a popup that he was standing right underneath of. Sun of not, he should catch it. Is that why the Cubs lost? Of course not, but the guy missed a popup.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=mb21]I only read about the first 10 to 15 comments, but from what I can gather, Starlin Castro missed a popup that he was standing right underneath of. Sun of not, he should catch it. Is that why the Cubs lost? Of course not, but the guy missed a popup.[/quote]Right, but that doesn’t justify Quade dedicating his entire postgame to talking about it and even pointing that play out as the turning point in the game. Especially when Dempster tossed 86 pitches in just 3 innings.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
I come to this blog for three things and three things only:
1) Criminological psychoanalysis of Jim Hendry
2) Breaking Bad commentary
3) That Bunt picture
When I finally start watching Breaking Bad starting at season one, I will become offended by 2), and will then come to this blog for two things and two things only.
fang2415Quote Reply
Just to be clear, I’m not defending Castro for dropping a popup; I’m simply saying the Cubs lost because Ryan Dempster shit the bed and the offense was entirely impotent, not because Castro lost a popup in the sun in the first fucking goddamn inning. I would expect a MLB manager to able to say something like that instead of pinning the loss on a 21 YO kid. Dempster is supposed to be the leader of the staff and Quade mentioned him once in his entire postgame mouth-shitting.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Don’t tell me what to do.[/quote]FLAGGED
fang2415Quote Reply
I haven’t seen it, but I was under the impression he lost it in the sun? How is that his fault? It happens all the time.
GBTSQuote Reply
[quote name=GBTS]I haven’t seen it, but I was under the impression he lost it in the sun? How is that his fault? It happens all the time.[/quote]
He did lose it in the sun and even the best defenders have lost the ball in the sun at Wrigley. Mike Quade terms this as unacceptable. Not a mistake that can be tolerated. In Quade’s opinion it was also the play in the game that led to the eventual 9-1 loss. God forbid the guy he chose to be the opening day starter picks up his teammate and doesn’t give up 6 runs in the first 3 innings.
melissaQuote Reply
Castro has played at Wrigley for a year, he should know by now that the sun is always in the same place. His manager informed him and the whole world of this scientific fact.
melissaQuote Reply
[quote name=melissa]He did lose it in the sun and even the best defenders have lost the ball in the sun at Wrigley. Mike Quade terms this as unacceptable. Not a mistake that can be tolerated. In Quade’s opinion it was also the play in the game that led to the eventual 9-1 loss. God forbid the guy he chose to be the opening day starter picks up his teammate and doesn’t give up 6 runs in the first 3 innings.[/quote]Also neglected in the postgame were Peña’s misadventures of today.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Also neglected in the postgame were Peña’s misadventures of today.[/quote]
Veterans’ privilege.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=GBTS]I haven’t seen it, but I was under the impression he lost it in the sun? How is that his fault? It happens all the time.[/quote]I mean, you expect a MLBer to make that play. There are ways of playing the sun. But it’s not a mental mistake. It’s a mistake of chance. Which I think is the gist of your post.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
The “the sun is always in the same place at Wrigley, and it always has been” remark is just stultifying. It doesn’t speak to Quade’s baseball acumen, though. It just provides further proof that the best thing Quade can do from here on out is to speak less.
A lot less.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]I mean, you expect a MLBer to make that play. There are ways of playing the sun. But it’s not a mental mistake. It’s a mistake of chance. Which I think is the gist of your post.[/quote]
I think when you look at the WPA chart on FanGraphs that play will have less of an impact on the Phillies winning than the line drive doubles Dempster gave up later on.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=GBTS]I haven’t seen it, but I was under the impression he lost it in the sun? How is that his fault? It happens all the time.[/quote]Here it is: http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=17099541
Both TV and radio announcers thought Barney had a bettter angle to see the ball, for what it’s worth.
ACTQuote Reply
Right after criticizing Castro, Quade emphatically said that the team needs to play with some “freaking intensity.” It’s almost like he was saying Castro lost the ball because he’s too laid back. I guess Castro doesn’t show “the fire and the passion” that Quade thinks he should.
melissaQuote Reply
And here are Q’s comments: http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=17098585
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[quote name=Rice Cube]I think when you look at the WPA chart on FanGraphs that play will have less of an impact on the Phillies winning than the line drive doubles Dempster gave up later on.[/quote]
Wrong, that play set the tone for the rest of the game.
/Cuey’d
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[quote name=ACT]Here it is: http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=17099541
Both TV and radio announcers thought Barney had a better angle to see the ball, for what it’s worth.[/quote]Hmm. I’m not sure who has the beter angle, so I’ll defer to the announcers here, and if Castro couldn’t/didn’t recognize that, then that’s a mental mistake–but it certainly doesn’t speak to a lack of intensity, which is what Quade was saying.
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Nice to see the “we’ve never seen this pitcher” excuse come out again. I guess there’s absolutely no video footage of Worley’s previous starts for his entire career. He sprang fully formed from the head of Zeus and pitched today.
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What I don’t get is why he seems to imply that Barney is at fault. Q admitted (around 6 minutes in) that after Castro called him off, Barney was right to give way.
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[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Nice to see the “we’ve never seen this pitcher” excuse come out again. I guess there’s absolutely no video footage of Worley’s previous starts for his entire career. He sprang fully formed from the head of Zeus and pitched today.[/quote]I think it’s fair to point out that it’s advantageous to the pitcher if the hitters haven’t seen him before.
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I admit, I do find it odd that Quade is so fixated on that one play.
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[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Right, but that doesn’t justify Quade dedicating his entire postgame to talking about it and even pointing that play out as the turning point in the game. Especially when Dempster tossed 86 pitches in just 3 innings.[/quote]Maybe, but I know if I’m manager and someone misses a popup I’m calling timeout and bringing out a starting pitcher who has the day off to replace him for the rest of the inning just to embarrass him. I’d probably even bring in a lefty starting pitcher to play SS the rest of the inning, but I’m an asshole. After reading the comments here, here’s what the story is to me: Starlin Castro missed a popup. Don’t care about anything else. Starlin Castro missed a popup he was standing underneath.
Yeah, that’s going to happen over the course of a career, but it’s still a ridiculously pathetic play when it happens.
“Sun in the same place” is apparently what he said, but you all know what he meant and he’s absolutely right. Starlin Castro should know how to play the sun at Wrigley Field after 2 years. I mean, the Cubs play day baseball. If we don’t expect him to figure the sun out after 2 years, what the hell kind of expectations should we have? Should we expect he’ll make every single play? Of course not. Even the easiest plays are going to be screwed up, but those easy screwups are going to get the manager’s attention.
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I think Demp was mostly the victim of bad luck (.700 BABIP). He didn’t help himself with the 3 walks, though.
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[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Just to be clear, I’m not defending Castro for dropping a popup; I’m simply saying the Cubs lost because Ryan Dempster shit the bed and the offense was entirely impotent, not because Castro lost a popup in the sun in the first fucking goddamn inning. I would expect a MLB manager to able to say something like that instead of pinning the loss on a 21 YO kid. Dempster is supposed to be the leader of the staff and Quade mentioned him once in his entire postgame mouth-shitting.[/quote]The same reasons Carlos Zambrano’s name doesn’t come up after his regular fuck ups is the same reason Dempster doesn’t get criticized by the manager. He makes a lot of money and for the most part those guys are treated differently. Castro makes no money and he gets the blame. Right or wrong, that’s how it is for every team. You aren’t going to piss off the guys making the most money.
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[quote name=ACT]I admit, I do find it odd that Quade is so fixated on that one play.[/quote]I agree with that, but managers aren’t the smartest people around.
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[quote name=ACT]I think Demp was mostly the victim of bad luck (.700 BABIP). He didn’t help himself with the 3 walks, though.[/quote]He tossed 86 in 3 innings and gave up some absolutely scorched XBH. He made his own luck today.
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[quote name=mb21]The same reasons Carlos Zambrano’s name doesn’t come up after his regular fuck ups is the same reason Dempster doesn’t get criticized by the manager. He makes a lot of money and for the most part those guys are treated differently. Castro makes no money and he gets the blame. Right or wrong, that’s how it is for every team. You aren’t going to piss off the guys making the most money.[/quote]So evil will triumph because good is dumb. (dying laughing)
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[quote name=ACT]I admit, I do find it odd that Quade is so fixated on that one play.[/quote]It’s really strange…but then again, Quade is really strange.
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[quote name=ACT]I think Demp was mostly the victim of bad luck (.700 BABIP). He didn’t help himself with the 3 walks, though.[/quote]
Line drives lead to higher BABIP…I admit I didn’t actually see more than the two well-smacked balls in the first couple innings off Demp (left after the Cubs were down 6-0, it was too damned hot) but I think you can only explain part of it away with the luck thing.
Also looking at the replay it seems Castro is a bit lackadaisical to the ball, sort of trying to ole’ it at the end. It was a pretty pathetic play, but the sun was really bad. I didn’t think too much of it until Dempster went into bedshitting mode.
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[quote name=mb21]The same reasons Carlos Zambrano’s name doesn’t come up after his regular fuck ups is the same reason Dempster doesn’t get criticized by the manager. He makes a lot of money and for the most part those guys are treated differently. Castro makes no money and he gets the blame. Right or wrong, that’s how it is for every team. You aren’t going to piss off the guys making the most money.[/quote]There’s a reason all the vets rallied behind Quade during the offseason, and it wasn’t because they believed in his 24-13 record.
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[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]So evil will triumph because good is dumb. (dying laughing)[/quote]
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[quote name=ACT]Here it is: http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=17099541
Both TV and radio announcers thought Barney had a bettter angle to see the ball, for what it’s worth.[/quote]
That’s the play we’re talking about? Castro called him off and then gave up on the ball. From what I saw he didn’t even lose it. He just fucking quit.
The manager has every right to be pissed off after that shit. He even has every right to talk about it for 35 minutes and even make fun of him in my opinion. That’s not a poor play by Castro. That’s just pathetic. It was a half-ass attempt to make a catch on an easy popup.
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[quote name=mb21]Maybe, but I know if I’m manager and someone misses a popup I’m calling timeout and bringing out a starting pitcher who has the day off to replace him for the rest of the inning just to embarrass him. I’d probably even bring in a lefty starting pitcher to play SS the rest of the inning, but I’m an asshole. After reading the comments here, here’s what the story is to me: Starlin Castro missed a popup. Don’t care about anything else. Starlin Castro missed a popup he was standing underneath.
Yeah, that’s going to happen over the course of a career, but it’s still a ridiculously pathetic play when it happens.
“Sun in the same place” is apparently what he said, but you all know what he meant and he’s absolutely right. Starlin Castro should know how to play the sun at Wrigley Field after 2 years. I mean, the Cubs play day baseball. If we don’t expect him to figure the sun out after 2 years, what the hell kind of expectations should we have? Should we expect he’ll make every single play? Of course not. Even the easiest plays are going to be screwed up, but those easy screwups are going to get the manager’s attention.[/quote]Okay, but then why not point out Peña’s frolics at 1B today? Did those not matter?
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I’ve never heard a manager dedicate an entire post game to criticizing a player for losing a ball in the sun. Even when Milton Bradley did it. Losing the ball in the sun isn’t a lack of effort and that’s what managers should be pissed about.
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The Cubs didn’t lose because of that, but obviously the manager is going to single that play out and he should. That play right there is the 2011 Chicago Cubs. No, it’s the 2009-2011 Cubs. Make a gif out of that and put Cubs on it and it’s perfect.
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[quote name=mb21]That’s the play we’re talking about? Castro called him off and then gave up on the ball. From what I saw he didn’t even lose it. He just fucking quit.
The manager has every right to be pissed off after that shit. He even has every right to talk about it for 35 minutes and even make fun of him in my opinion. That’s not a poor play by Castro. That’s just pathetic. It was a half-ass attempt to make a catch on an easy popup.[/quote]You must be fucking shitting me if you believe that. You sound like every Cub fan that’s dogged Soriano and Ramirez over the last 4 years. He lost it in the sun and tried to find it. The mistake is calling off Barney; everything after that is incidental.
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[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Okay, but then why not point out Peña’s frolics at 1B today? Did those not matter?[/quote]
No, in case you hadn’t noticed Castro is always terrible and whatever Quade says is right. (dying laughing)
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[quote name=Rice Cube]Line drives lead to higher BABIP…I[/quote]Yup, but pitchers don’t have that much control over how many liners are hit against them (or, more accurately, the skill level in allowing line drives differs little between pitchers at the MLB level). Also, there were some really soft hits in the first inning. Really, unless you think his true talent BABIP level was around .700 (which is absurdlyhigh), you have to conclude he had quite a bit of bad luck, even if this wasn’t a good performance.
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[quote name=mb21]The Cubs didn’t lose because of that, but obviously the manager is going to single that play out and he should. That play right there is the 2011 Chicago Cubs. No, it’s the 2009-2011 Cubs. Make a gif out of that and put Cubs on it and it’s perfect.[/quote]Personally, I think Dempster almost shattering his ankle trying to jump the dugout rail does a better job. (dying laughing)
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[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]You must be fucking shitting me if you believe that. You sound like every Cub fan that’s dogged Soriano and Ramirez over the last 4 years. He lost it in the sun and tried to find it. The mistake is calling off Barney; everything after that is incidental.[/quote]He called him off and then barely went after the ball. I don’t care if he lost it in the sun. It doesn’t make Castro a bad ballplayer by any means, but you’re nuts if you think a manager isn’t going to single that play out. It was a shitty play. He should single it out. Starlin Castro is a big boy who is going to be art eligible after next year.
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[quote name=ACT]Yup, but pitchers don’t have that much control over how many liners are hit against them (or, more accurately, the skill level in allowing line drives differs little between pitchers at the MLB level). Also, there were some really soft hits in the first inning. Really, unless you think his true talent BABIP level was around .700 (which is absurdlyhigh), you have to conclude he had quite a bit of bad luck, even if this wasn’t a good performance.[/quote]
Sure, but when they’re squaring up on you that well, you’re doing something wrong hehe.
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[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Personally, I think Dempster almost shattering his ankle trying to jump the dugout rail does a better job. (dying laughing)[/quote]Yeah, you’re right on that. That’s classic Cub.
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[quote name=melissa]No, in case you hadn’t noticed Castro is always terrible and whatever Quade says is right. (dying laughing)[/quote]Where have I ever said Castro is terrible? Find it and post a link here, because you know god damn well I’ve never said it.
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[quote name=mb21]He called him off and then barely went after the ball. I don’t care if he lost it in the sun. It doesn’t make Castro a bad ballplayer by any means, but you’re nuts if you think a manager isn’t going to single that play out. It was a shitty play. He should single it out. Starlin Castro is a big boy who is going to be art eligible after next year.[/quote]And Quade is a guy who is paid to see the big picture and not fixate on one fucking play in the first fucking inning like he some kind of OCD case. Instead he fanatically protects his underperforming vets at the expense of two young MIF. Again, Peña made two errors on one play today, and that didn’t even make onto Rain Man’s radar.
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[quote name=mb21]He called him off and then barely went after the ball. [/quote]
I don’t know what you mean by “barely went after the ball.” He was under the ball to make the play had his glove there and narrowly missed it because he couldn’t see it at the last moment. This was not a play of poor effort. That is just false and misleading.
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[quote name=mb21]Yeah, you’re right on that. That’s classic Cub.[/quote]It’s pretty amazing how quickly this team has bottomed out after the high of 2008. It’s like they dropped off some kind of baseball cliff.
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[quote name=ACT]I think it’s fair to point out that it’s advantageous to the pitcher if the hitters haven’t seen him before.[/quote]If the batters haven’t seen him before, then this team is worse-coached than even I think it is.
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I see Brett Jackson got the day off today.
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[quote name=Rice Cube]I see Brett Jackson got the day off today.[/quote]Hopefully that means he’s traveling to Chicago.
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I thought batters and pitchers spent time looking at film so they could pick up on tendencies and what not, but I wager it’s different than actually facing the pitcher live.
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[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]If the batters haven’t seen him before, then this team is worse-coached than even I think it is.[/quote]I meant they haven’t faced him. Video is no substitute for the real thing. What did you want him to do, bitch out his team for not getting more hits?
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[quote name=Rice Cube]I thought batters and pitchers spent time looking at film so they could pick up on tendencies and what not, but I wager it’s different than actually facing the pitcher live.[/quote]For sure. But this “we’ve never seen this guy before” shit just doesn’t fly with me. It’s not like Worley is fucking Quisenberry. It’s 2010. There are limitless resources with which to prepare for a new pitcher. No one seems too mystified by Casey Coleman. (dying laughing)
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[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]And Quade is a guy who is paid to see the big picture and not fixate on one fucking play in the first fucking inning like he some kind of OCD case. Instead he fanatically protects his underperforming vets at the expense of two young MIF. Again, Peña made two errors on one play today, and that didn’t even make onto Rain Man’s radar.[/quote]I’m afraid that if you’re going to pay as much attention to what the manager says as you do you’re going to be going through this the rest of your life. Quade hasn’t said anything that Lou hasn’t said and Lou didn’t say anything Baker didn’t say who didn’t say anything Baylor didn’t say.
I watch the Yankees a lot and read their post games and Joe Girardi says the same dumb shit. Saying dumb stuff is a requirement for a manager. As frustrating as that may be for you, it’s that way with all managers.
Most importantly, I couldn’t care less what he says. What he said today had zero impact on how they played and will have zero impact on how they play going forward. He can go out and there and literally take a shit on the players for all I care. It will have no impact whatsoever.
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[quote name=mb21] He can go out and there and literally take a shit on the players for all I care. It will have no impact whatsoever.[/quote]
Unless, of course, the players get dysentery from the managerial Cleveland Steamer.
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[quote name=ACT]I meant they haven’t faced him. Video is no substitute for the real thing. What did you want him to do, bitch out his team for not getting more hits?[/quote]No, but that “we’ve never seen him excuse” might have flown in 2000, but it shouldn’t fly now. Sure video isn’t like the real thing, but no one should be as surprised as the Cubs seemed to be. Hell, Quade even said it in the presser: two or three guys just seemed completely fooled all day long.
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[quote name=melissa]I don’t know what you mean by “barely went after the ball.” He was under the ball to make the play had his glove there and narrowly missed it because he couldn’t see it at the last moment. This was not a play of poor effort. That is just false and misleading.[/quote]If by under the ball you mean about 6 feet away from it, then yes, I agree. I don’t know if he lost it in the sun or not. It looked to me like the typical miscommunication between the middle infielders. I could be wrong. Doesn’t change the fact it’s a shitty play and that it shouldn’t happen. Also doesn’t change the fact that it’s one of those plays that happens and it doesn’t reflect on the talent level of Castro.
But it is going to be a play a manager criticizes.
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[quote name=mb21]If by under the ball you mean about 6 feet away from it, then yes, I agree. I don’t know if he lost it in the sun or not. It looked to me like the typical miscommunication between the middle infielders. I could be wrong. Doesn’t change the fact it’s a shitty play and that it shouldn’t happen. Also doesn’t change the fact that it’s one of those plays that happens and it doesn’t reflect on the talent level of Castro.
But it is going to be a play a manager criticizes.[/quote]Fine, then why not also criticize the hamfistedness of Peña? Why fixate on Castro and Barney?
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I’m not going to argue about this anymore. The bottom line for me is that I couldn’t care less what Quade says, how he says it, who he says it to or even if he pisses and shits on the players 39 times per day. None of that shit matters to me. He’s annoying as fuck so I just don’t pay attention. I’ve never given a shit what a manager has to say so it’s really no different. Lou Piniella sounded retarded when he spoke half the time. Dusty Baker sounded like he’d never played baseball. None of it mattered with regards to their impact on the field.
As for Castro, i’ve said enough about that today. Carlos Zambrano. That’s the career he’s going to have and everybody knows how much I respect Zambrano and how good I think he was in his career.
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MO out.
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[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Fine, then why not also criticize the hamfistedness of Peña? Why fixate on Castro and Barney?[/quote]If Quade criticized this team equally his press conference from Opening Day would still be ongoing, MO. This team sucks. There’s not enough time in a press conference to talk about how each of them sucks and screwed the team. Pick and choose.
Marmol and Wood got told they need to work on shit so they were singled out. Pena was singled out earlier this year. Same with Ramirez, Dempster and so on. It happens. Today was Castro’s turn.
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[quote name=mb21]He called him off and then barely went after the ball. I don’t care if he lost it in the sun. It doesn’t make Castro a bad ballplayer by any means, but you’re nuts if you think a manager isn’t going to single that play out. It was a shitty play. He should single it out. Starlin Castro is a big boy who is going to be art eligible after next year.[/quote]
I don’t think he barely went after the ball. It looked like it was carrying toward first-base more than he thought, and he lost it in the sun. Simple. Happens to the best players.
I wouldn’t call it a “shitty play.” I’d call it an unfortunate result of playing on a cloudless sunny day. Castro obviously cares about the game, so I think it’s going a little overboard to say he simply gave up. I truly doubt that.
Personally, I find it troubling that Quade singled out Castro on that play. What about all the crap plays Soriano makes? What about the countless balls he slows down for because he’s within 50 yards of the wall? What about his complete inability to work a pitcher or master the strike zone? Why is he immune to criticism?
To me, going after Castro is easy (and, given that he was the team’s lone offensive All-Star, not very smart). He’s young, he’s kind of timid. It would show a lot of balls if Quade were to say, “Fuck this. Soriano, grab some fucking bench. We’re starting Campana.” Or Reed Johnson. Or if he were to storm into Hendry’s office and say, “Get that fucker out of here. Get me Brett Jackson.” Or Tyler Colvin. Or fucking ANYONE who had a semblance of an idea how to play the game anymore.
Ok, deep breaths… deep breaths…
My bottom line: Alfonso Soriano is 500x more problematic than Starlin Castro. Singling Castro out last year seemed like smart discipline. Today, it seemed completely off-base and almost bullying.
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Maybe it’s overboard to say he gave up as I don’t know if he lost it in the sun or not. Maybe he did, but I’m not certain of that. You make a good point about it carrying over more toward 1st base.
Also a good point about Soriano (both the criticism point and get him the fuck out of here point).
I don’t think there’s any doubt that Castro cares about the game, but at the same time I think it’s foolish for us to think he never gives up. He’s not perfect and he’s going to mail it in on occasion just because that’s what normal human beings do. Some obviously do it more than others and Castro definitely isn’t even close to one of the players who does it often, but it happens.
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It was a shit play. I’m glad I missed it. But, once again, Castro is the most interesting player on the field. Maybe that’s Quade’s frustration, because he expects more from Castro, but the kid seems a little lackadaisical. It was typical shitty Cubs defense.
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The one thing I’m certain of is that he was in a terrible position to make the play he called for. It’s not like Darwin Barney can wave off the SS as the SS takes everything he can get to so once Castro waved him off, it’s his ball.
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I just watched the replay for the first time and I don’t think he gave up on it. I think he lost and took a guess where he thought it would be and when he picked it up at the last second, it was too late to do anything about it.
It was a quintessential Cubs play so I can;t blame Quade for saying what he said. The man has to be frustrated. He’s been dealing with this shit all year long and he doesn’t have the luxury of just mailing in a Pic of the Day post with some quippy attempts at zingers tacked on and calling it a day.
Should he have dealt with Castro about the play? Absolutely. Should he have singled the kid out on a day when nothing went right for the team? Probably not, but it’s understandable. Does Quade talk too much and give way too much ammunition to anyone who doesn’t like his message? Abso-fucking-lutely.
Short of blowing off the press (which always plays really well with those guys), there is almost nothing Quade was going to realistically say that would make anything any better. So he thought he’s school Castro a little bit in the hope that it would sink in and the kid would learn from his mistakes. Whether that play was a teachable moment that was caused by Starlin’s focus is completely debatable, but as MB pointed out, that is the lot of a young minimum wage earner in the big leagues.
So, what have we learned today? The team sucks, Quade sucks, and nothing is going to change any of that in the near future. We knew all of that already. So today is nothing new at all.
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[quote name=josh]It was a shit play. I’m glad I missed it. But, once again, Castro is the most interesting player on the field. Maybe that’s Quade’s frustration, because he expects more from Castro, but the kid seems a little lackadaisical. It was typical shitty Cubs defense.[/quote]I think part of that is there’s no reason to play all that hard for this team. From what I’ve seen, which isn’t all that much, he plays as hard as anyone on the team, but no player goes all out 100% of the time. As much as we’d like them to, it’s not happening.
As for Quade’s comments, I don’t mind them because they have no impact on the game. Like I said, Starlin Castro is now almost through his 2nd big league season. He’s likely the only player on this roster that has a chance of being around for a contending team. I’d probably be more demanding of him as well.
I know I couldn’t care less if Carlos Pena makes a couple errors. He’s gone after this year and this year is pointless so who cares?
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actually, I yhink timid is a good word.
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Well put
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[quote name=mb21]I think part of that is there’s no reason to play all that hard for this team. From what I’ve seen, which isn’t all that much, he plays as hard as anyone on the team, but no player goes all out 100% of the time. As much as we’d like them to, it’s not happening.
As for Quade’s comments, I don’t mind them because they have no impact on the game. Like I said, Starlin Castro is now almost through his 2nd big league season. He’s likely the only player on this roster that has a chance of being around for a contending team. I’d probably be more demanding of him as well.
I know I couldn’t care less if Carlos Pena makes a couple errors. He’s gone after this year and this year is pointless so who cares?[/quote]I agree. Sori, Pena and Rami are more or less irrelevant. And those guys aren’t going to change, but Castro might.
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personally, I’m frustrated as fuck by this team and the lack of changes since Ricketts took over. It’s getting near a breaking point for me. I ran a blog last year and quit because I got too depressed. This year is beyond depressing, it’s aggravating, enraging even.
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What blog did you run, Josh?
I’m not depressed. I don’t take it as seriously as I once did and that’s because this team is so frustrating.
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[quote name=mb21]What blog did you run, Josh?
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Lakeview Nights?
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Just saw an article titled Cubs call on defense to back Zambrano on my reader and I laughed.
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[quote name=fang2415]Goddamn it, I hate these Pics of the Day. This used to be the only Cubs blog I could reliably read watching games a day behind from the UK, since nobody ever actually talked about what the Cubs were doing unless it was to make fun of somebody flubbing a play (which was never really a surprise).
Granted, the Cubs losing isn’t really a surprise either… But I for one despise this new trend towards timeliness. Like all Cubs fans, I am happier to remain buried in the past and stupidly hoping for the future.
Well… I guess now that Wednesday’s game has been ruined for me, I might as well look at the funny gifs.[/quote]
Sorry, Fang. Maybe just skip the post and go right to the comments for all the funny gifs and stuff.
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It was called The Obligatory Baseball Blog and was buried in a small corner of the web. No one read it, according to Google Analytics. Part of why I quit is that all the other Cubs blogs knew way more about baseball and minor league stuff than I could ever hope to. I’ve only recently started figuring out stuff like wOBA and UZR. I’ve learned a lot since I started reading this blog. I got away from the Cubs for a about five years while I was in college because i couldn’t get WGN in the south. I got back into it in 2003. Living in Chicago and going to a bunch of games got me more hardcore back into it. But I probably just need to back off.
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I used to listen to Kaplan’s postgames religiously from about 2007 to 2010 because I had to hear most of the games on the radio, thanks to being too cheap to buy cable.
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Speaking of, did anyone end up catching his big solution to the Ramirez problem? I tried to tune in, but I missed it. Also the Ramirez for Inge swap is out: Tigers DFA’d him.
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[quote name=josh]Speaking of, did anyone end up catching his big solution to the Ramirez problem? I tried to tune in, but I missed it. Also the Ramirez for Inge swap is out: Tigers DFA’d him.[/quote]
He would call Ramirez into the office and (very politely, of course) tell him that if he doesn’t waive the no-trade clause, he won’t be playing much after July 31st in favor of Baker, LeMahieu, Flaherty, and/or Vitters.
Dave Van Dyck said it wouldn’t work because Aramis doesn’t care. Fucking Phil Rogers had to be the voice of reason.
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[quote name=Aisle424]He would call Ramirez into the office and (very politely, of course) tell him that if he doesn’t waive the no-trade clause, he won’t be playing much after July 31st in favor of Baker, LeMahieu, Flaherty, and/or Vitters.
Dave Van Dyck said it wouldn’t work because Aramis doesn’t care. Fucking Phil Rogers had to be the voice of reason.[/quote]
Out of curiosity, what did Phil Rogers say?
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[quote name=Aisle424]He would call Ramirez into the office and (very politely, of course) tell him that if he doesn’t waive the no-trade clause, he won’t be playing much after July 31st in favor of Baker, LeMahieu, Flaherty, and/or Vitters.
Dave Van Dyck said it wouldn’t work because Aramis doesn’t care. Fucking Phil Rogers had to be the voice of reason.[/quote]Plus, look at it from Quade’s perspective, how is he going to seriously bench his best offensive player. He wants to win as much as anyone.
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It’s not fair to ask Quade to take the cyanide tablet when Hendry is the one to blame if he can’t make a trade happen. If Rami won’t go, then he won’t go and you let him go at the end of the year, no big deal.
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[quote name=Rice Cube]Out of curiosity, what did Phil Rogers say?[/quote]
I don’t remember exactly. I just remember being flabbergasted that he was the one making any lick of sense.
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[quote name=josh]It’s not fair to ask Quade to take the cyanide tablet when Hendry is the one to blame if he can’t make a trade happen. If Rami won’t go, then he won’t go and you let him go at the end of the year, no big deal.[/quote]
I actually suggested that they play him up until August 31 (the waiver deadline) and then shut him down for the season if they have no intention of bringing him back.
Here’s ESPNChicago on the Quade stuff y’all were arguing about earlier. Ol’ Copernicus (dying laughing)
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/columns/story?columnist=greenberg_jon&id=6788918
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I’m fairly certain the Cubs would be dealing with grievances from both Ramirez’s agent and the MLBPA if the Cubs essentially suspend Ramirez for not waiving a right he earned through his service time.
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Speaking of getting balls lost in the sun/lights and overpaid bad defenders, Vernon Wells just had a major epic fail on a line drive right to him. I’m still amazed that the Angels just swallowed his entire contract like that.
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Daddy needs a new pair of shoes and better fundamentals!
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I’m setting the outrage meter of Wood, Reed and Dempster playing craps (after an epic fail day) at “negative three”…
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ZOMG! Why is Zambrano smiling and helping his teammate’s charity when he just pitched so poorly?
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Is that the same hotel that they hold the convention at?
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Quade is going to come in any second and bitch Castro out for accidentally flashing his hole card to the third base seat.
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I thought it was at the Palmer House, but I could be wrong.
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I’m definitely stealing that Castro pic.
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[quote name=Aisle424]I don’t remember exactly. I just remember being flabbergasted that he was the one making any lick of sense.[/quote]Phil Rogers also did say it was unfair that Mark Buehrle would be ranked lower by Elias in free agency than Ricky Romero.
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[quote name=Aisle424]I’m fairly certain the Cubs would be dealing with grievances from both Ramirez’s agent and the MLBPA if the Cubs essentially suspend Ramirez for not waiving a right he earned through his service time.[/quote]Yeah, you can reduce his playing time in favor of prospects, but if you benched him every day, that’s just dumb. He’s got to know, though, that his playing time is going to be at least a little less after the deadline, and that might impact his numbers going into free agency. But who knows. It didn’t seem like D Lee would ever waive his no trade, but the situation was slightly more optimistic going into the break last year.
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As far as keeping the sun in the exact same location at Wrigley, you’d also have to move latitudinally to compensate for the Earth’s tilting as it orbits, in addition to moving about a thousand miles per hour (at the equator, less in Chicago). Also, though the Earth’s orbit is technically elliptical, it is only very mildly elliptical and actually assuming a circular orbit gets you pretty close, which is why that stuck for so long. It’s only when you are trying to predict the exact location of the other planets that circular runs you into trouble. But that would just mean you’d have to have more variable speed. It’s probably better to use some kind of global positioning unit and computerized tracking to keep the sun locked in one position, rather than crude speed estimations, as the slightly ovular orbit will throw it off as time goes.
/Not an astronomer but worked for them
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Yeah, I half assed it.
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[quote name=Jame Gumb]Yeah, I half assed it.[/quote]
I was expecting more, honestly.
MishQuote Reply
Evidently the Sporting News has said that aggy and OU would bolt for the SEC if the Longhorn Network televises high school games including Texas commits. I can cerainly see where they’re coming from, but it’ll be interesting to see what happens.
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And it looks like the Big 12-2 will put a stop to the LHN airing high school games.
At this rate, Texas ———> Independent pretty soon
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[quote name=Mish]I was expecting more, honestly.[/quote]
Keep your expectations low and you’ll usually be pleasantly surprised.
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[quote name=Jame Gumb]Keep your expectations low and you’ll usually be pleasantly surprised.[/quote]That’s what I tell the ladies.
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Man, this LHN shit might be more serious than people think. My Texas brethren are underselling how tenuous this situation can be.
Yes, Texas is a premier brand in college football, but we were virtually irrelevant less than 20 years agol. aggy and OU bolting for the SEC could fuck us over recruiting-wise bigtime. We’d HAVE TO join the Pac 12 to balance it out with some Cali kids.
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http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/college-sports/texas-longhorns/20110720-longhorn-network_s-plans-to-televise-high-school-games-now-on-hold.ece
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[quote name=mb21]http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/college-sports/texas-longhorns/20110720-longhorn-network_s-plans-to-televise-high-school-games-now-on-hold.ece[/quote]
(dying laughing)
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I think Texas might have fucked themselves by not jumping to the Pac 12 when they had the chance. We’re not going to the Big 10+2 unless our network fails.
The Pac 12 would have a lot of associated travel costs now since they added Colorado and Utah instead of Texas, OU, aggy and Tech.
Either Texas has wanted to go Independent all along or they really painted themselves into a corner here.
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The thing now is that Texas has no leverage. They had it before all this shit went down last summer, but not anymore. The Big 12 isn’t lasting any longer than 5 years. There is no longterm plan and no conference can survive these days when one or two schools get so much richer than the others. The Big 12 was doomed the moment it was formed. Texas may have been able to extort something out of the Pac 12 or even the Big Ten last summer (more likely having success doing so in the Pac 12).
Regardless of what happens, Texas is going to take a hit because they didn’t act first last year. They have no leverage. They can’t go independent. I suppose they could, but it would be suicide. I had thought for awhile that Texas would end up in the Big Ten, but they don’t want the drama that comes with Texas. My guess is if Texas were to ever join the Big Ten it’s in combination with Notre Dame joining at the same time. I think Notre Dame eventually joins the Big Ten, but probably not within the next years, which is when Texas is going to have find a new home.
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Plus, I don’t think adding Texas matters all that much anymore because of this: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/illini/article_d924c1e4-ffb5-5889-83e9-3dd0c31ed301.html
When the Big Ten completely owns their network, the amount of money the schools get from that is going to be nearly double what they currently get. Texas isn’t going to add that much. Notre Dame makes the BTN a national channel so that’s the school they’re going to target net.
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[quote name=mb21]The thing now is that Texas has no leverage. They had it before all this shit went down last summer, but not anymore. The Big 12 isn’t lasting any longer than 5 years. There is no longterm plan and no conference can survive these days when one or two schools get so much richer than the others. The Big 12 was doomed the moment it was formed. Texas may have been able to extort something out of the Pac 12 or even the Big Ten last summer (more likely having success doing so in the Pac 12).
Regardless of what happens, Texas is going to take a hit because they didn’t act first last year. They have no leverage. They can’t go independent. I suppose they could, but it would be suicide. I had thought for awhile that Texas would end up in the Big Ten, but they don’t want the drama that comes with Texas. My guess is if Texas were to ever join the Big Ten it’s in combination with Notre Dame joining at the same time. I think Notre Dame eventually joins the Big Ten, but probably not within the next years, which is when Texas is going to have find a new home.[/quote]
Yeah, I was really disappointed with Texas’ decision to remain in the Big 12-2.
The Big 10 didn’t make much sense geographically, but our academic profile was perfect.
The Pac 12 made a little sense geographically if OU, aggy and Tech came with us, and the academic profile was a pretty good fit.
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I’m not sure geography is as much of an issue. How much additional money would Texas have to earn to make that a non-issue? The new tv deal in the Pac 12 pays each school $21 million. Each Big Ten school got $22.6 million last year and it will continue to increase. Plus, they’re other tv contracts are up in about 5 years so that will be even higher. Most estimates I’ve seen is that by 2020 each Big Ten school will be getting $35 million or more per year just in tv contracts alone. It could be significantly higher as there seems to be little information available on when the Big Ten will own more than 50% of their network. My guess is they’re paying it off more quickly than they intended because they’re making so much money. It’s entirely possible they could have that paid off within a decade at which point we’re talking $50 million per school per year. Add Notre Dame and it’s even higher. If they owned it outright right now, each school would be getting $30 million per year.
The way I see it is that the Big Ten can offer Texas a shitload more money than the Pac 12 can. No team gets a full share their first few years in a new conference. Nebraska won’t be getting a full share this year in the Big Ten, but my guess is that Nebraska is still going to be in the top 20 in tv revenue.
Let’s say $25 million for Texas if they join the Pac 12. The Big Ten can nearly double that. To me, it’s a no-brainer. If I’m Texas, I want to join the Big Ten because I’m going to make way more money than I would in the Pac 12. Surely the AD at Texas can sell the fans on that.
But like I said, there’s less incentive for the Big Ten to go after Texas now. Eventually Notre Dam will join and the BTN goes national at that point. There’s also less incentive for the Pac 12 to go after them because they just reached their new tv contract that lasts for 12 years. They’d just be sharing the same amount of money with 13 schools rather than 12.
That’s another reason the Big Ten makes the most sense. Their tv contract is up much sooner than the Pac 12.
I think Texas fucked themselves last summer.
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[quote name=mb21]I think Texas fucked themselves last summer.[/quote]
I think so too. I thought that immediately. My only hope is/was that they had a greater plan I hadn’t considered, but I’m starting to think they let the “We’re Texas” shit go to their heads.
Texas is going to bring in more money than any school in the country over the next 2-3 years, but then they’ll start dropping down the revenue list.
The Big 12 will fall soon. When it does, teams will be scrambling to find conferences. The teams that jump first will land best.
I love my alma mater, but I’m not sure they thought this through.
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I think Texas let themselves get bullied by the state legislature there. I really don’t think Texas had their best interest in mind when they made decisions a year ago. I’m not even sure whose interest they had in mind, but it definitely wasn’t their own.
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That was a legitimate concern, as the backlash to fucking over Tech and aggy would have been big.
Now that the Pac 12 expanded, though, Texas is out on a limb. They have nowhere to go.
The Big 12 should have been trying to lure TCU and Utah to the conference the second all this talk started.
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Big 12 North: Utah, OU, Mizzou, Kansas, KSU, ISU
Big 12 South: Texas, TCU, aggy, OSU, Tech, Baylor
Not too bad. Don’t know how I’d feel about having a Texas/OU CCG, though.
In fact, swap OU and OSU.
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Cubs opened up their “lead” for the #2 spot by jumping 1.5 games away from KC. Also within 5.5 games of #1 Houston entering this weekend’s series.
Sweep!
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Discussing Quade’s comments at HBT:
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/21/mike-quade-calls-out-starling-castro-and-darwin-barney-after-blowout-loss
And BTF:
http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/newsstand/discussion/mike_quade_blames_9-1_loss_on_lone_all-star/#When:03:03:56Z
MishQuote Reply
http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/6783415/rick-reilly-nebraska-big-ten-primer
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People act as though all Quade does is rip Castro. He’s praised Castro quite a bit in the past, and even recommended him to the All-Star team.
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[quote name=ACT]People act as though all Quade does is rip Castro. He’s praised Castro quite a bit in the past, and even recommended him to the All-Star team.[/quote]Good point, and it’s not like Castro didn’t screw up. Maybe Quade shouldn’t have focused on that so much, but I think Castro can handle it.
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I’ll update the reverse standings in a couple hours.
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[quote name=mb21]I’ll update the reverse standings in a couple hours.[/quote]
In the meantime, just look at this:
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[quote name=ACT]People act as though all Quade does is rip Castro. He’s praised Castro quite a bit in the past, and even recommended him to the All-Star team.[/quote]
Quade ripped Castro last season down the stretch and said he was benching him. Quade even admitted that Castro was probably just fatigued but wanted him to sit and “think” about what he’d done. I obviously don’t like Quade or what he said about Castro, part of the reason would be that he goes out of his way to defend the lackadaisical play of veterans on this team. It seems like scapegoating when he blames the middle infield for a game that the team lost 9-1. Castro is the only player on this roster right now that actually matters and when the manager blames him for the team’s poor performance people are going to take notice. Do you believe the manager publicly blaming Castro for losses will make him a better player? Quade said that he was glad to have the team he broke camp with back after the all-star break and things aren’t going the way he thought they would. After the Florida series, Quade blamed the umps, after losing to the Phillies, he blames Castro. Is the trainer next?
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[quote name=mb21]I’ll update the reverse standings in a couple hours.[/quote]
(dying laughing)
I just did it.
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[quote name=Jame Gumb]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kassP7zI0qc[/quote]
For those wondering, this is basically a cop being an idiot.
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[quote name=Jame Gumb]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kassP7zI0qc[/quote]tl;dw
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[quote name=Mish]tl;dw[/quote]
So the cop says, “Do you love me?” And the driver says, “No, but that’s a real nice ski mask.”
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(dying laughing)
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junkstats Jacob Peterson
Ryan Howard: .247 / .342 / .452. Chad Billingsley: .258 / .343 / .452
MishQuote Reply
Ryan Howard: 1.534 OPSRBIs
Chad Billingsley: .798 OPSRBIs
Case closed.
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In my day we used to stare at the sun on ground balls and still make the play.
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[quote name=ACT]Ryan Howard: 1.534 OPSRBIs
Chad Billingsley: .798 OPSRBIs
Case closed.[/quote]
(dying laughing)
MishQuote Reply
[quote name=Ryne Sandberg]In my day we used to stare at the sun on ground balls and still make the play.[/quote]#playedtherightway
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[quote name=Ryne Sandberg]In my day we used to stare at the sun on ground balls and still make the play.[/quote]
#bullpenishuge
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[quote name=Mish]#playedtherightway[/quote]
With scorched retinas?
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Yoda Grant’s topic would have been #hugebullpenis
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The sun was definitely in different spots though. Even I think Quade’s a dumb ass for that.
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[quote name=Ryne Sandberg]In my day we used to stare at the sun on ground balls and still make the play.[/quote]True. Nobody practices the fundamentals anymore. It used to be that the team’s biggest slugger knew how to get down a perfect sac bunt. He’d never do it, but it was a nice thing to know, anyway.
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Pitchers also used to know how to hit home runs. It’s just that they’d be called on to bunt, instead because that was their role..
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[quote name=Aisle424](dying laughing)
I just did it.[/quote]That’s good because I wouldn’t have gotten to it until now and our readers demand timeliness.
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We can demand things here?
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that ryan howard deal is going to beat out Sorianos for worst deal ever given to a hitter
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[quote name=melissa]Quade ripped Castro last season down the stretch and said he was benching him. Quade even admitted that Castro was probably just fatigued but wanted him to sit and “think” about what he’d done. I obviously don’t like Quade or what he said about Castro, part of the reason would be that he goes out of his way to defend the lackadaisical play of veterans on this team. It seems like scapegoating when he blames the middle infield for a game that the team lost 9-1. Castro is the only player on this roster right now that actually matters and when the manager blames him for the team’s poor performance people are going to take notice. Do you believe the manager publicly blaming Castro for losses will make him a better player? Quade said that he was glad to have the team he broke camp with back after the all-star break and things aren’t going the way he thought they would. After the Florida series, Quade blamed the umps, after losing to the Phillies, he blames Castro. Is the trainer next?[/quote]I think you’re just making WAY TOO MUCH out of what Quade says. I don’t much care if he spreads the criticism around, but I think he has. He’s also been much less prone to overreaction than Lou was. If Lou was manager Dempster would have been in the bullpen after his first 4 starts, Pena would be a platoon player, Ramirez would have been benched early on, Hill would be playing as much as Soto and so on. I’m not a fan of Quade, but the truth is that he’s probably better at managing a roster than Lou Piniella was with the Cubs. Mostly though, I just don’t care what he says.
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castro is a big boy, i dont think he will wilt. my biggest issue is when Quade said that the veterans were playing pretty damn good. Because they arent.
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[quote name=dylanj]that ryan howard deal is going to beat out Sorianos for worst deal ever given to a hitter[/quote]As bad as Soriano’s deal is, it’s not even the worst deal in baseball right now. According to ZiPS going forward, you get this:
Name, Projected WAR going forward, Value, Money left on contract, difference
Howard: 10 WAR, 49 M, 137M, -88M
ARod: 19.6 WAR, 102 M, 186M, -84M
Vernon Wells: 3.4, 16, 72, -56
Soriano: 3.2, 15, 65, -50
Johan Santana: 4.4, 21, 69, -48
Teixeira: 16.2, 81, 126, -45
Zito: 2.8, 13, 57, -44
Lackey: 6.1, 29, 72, -43
Werth: 16.2, 81, 118, -37
Bay: 3.7, 17, 45, -28
(For those wondering, the players who just missed the cut are A.J. Burnett (-24), Carlos Lee (-24), Carl Crawford (-18), Adam Dunn (-16) and Nick Markakis (-13).)
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[quote name=mb21]As bad as Soriano’s deal is, it’s not even the worst deal in baseball right now. According to ZiPS going forward, you get this:
Name, Projected WAR going forward, Value, Money left on contract, difference
Howard: 10 WAR, 49 M, 137M, -88M
ARod: 19.6 WAR, 102 M, 186M, -84M
Vernon Wells: 3.4, 16, 72, -56
Soriano: 3.2, 15, 65, -50
Johan Santana: 4.4, 21, 69, -48
Teixeira: 16.2, 81, 126, -45
Zito: 2.8, 13, 57, -44
Lackey: 6.1, 29, 72, -43
Werth: 16.2, 81, 118, -37
Bay: 3.7, 17, 45, -28
(For those wondering, the players who just missed the cut are A.J. Burnett (-24), Carlos Lee (-24), Carl Crawford (-18), Adam Dunn (-16) and Nick Markakis (-13).)[/quote]
the ARod deal is a giant red flag for anybody that thinks signing Pujols to a 10-year deal is a good idea.
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[quote name=dylanj]castro is a big boy, i dont think he will wilt. my biggest issue is when Quade said that the veterans were playing pretty damn good. Because they arent.[/quote]Agreed about Castro being a big boy. If he can’t handle a little criticism then he simply isn’t a Major League player. I’m guessing Quade was referring to Ramirez, Pena, Garza, Marshall and maybe a couple others when he was talking about veterans. He obviously ignored some who have sucked, but Quade was pissed off when he was talking.
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[quote name=JMan]the ARod deal is a giant red flag for anybody that thinks signing Pujols to a 10-year deal is a good idea.[/quote]I agree. I’d go even further and say that all of those contracts are an example of why you don’g give Pujols the kind of money he’s looking for. It might even be an example of why you don’t give Fielder the money he’ll get. Way too much shit can happen between now and the end of a contract.
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the only other thing is castro dropped a pop up in the sun. that happens to but put the game on that play while ignoring the fact that dempster shit the bed every single inning is bullshit.
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the werth deal will probably be pretty ugly too.
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[quote name=dylanj]the only other thing is castro dropped a pop up in the sun. that happens to but put the game on that play while ignoring the fact that dempster shit the bed every single inning is bullshit.[/quote]Dropping popups are going to happen, but it’s also going to piss off any manager when it does happen. It’s a god damn popup. You learn how to catch those when you’re 4 years old. But stupid mistakes are going to happen. That’s baseball, but when you make one a manager is going to be pissed.
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Same with the Crawford deal. I know he’s been on fire in July, but that had bad contract written all over it when it was signed.
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I think Bill James supposedly had some input into the Crawford deal. I think he did some study on how speedy players age.
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[quote name=ACT]I think he did some study on how speedy players age.[/quote]
His conclusion: One day at a time.
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[quote name=mb21]That’s good because I wouldn’t have gotten to it until now and our readers demand timeliness.[/quote]
Except for Fang. He likes to be blissfully unaware.
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Here’s what I could find from a quick Google search: http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/6609/can-bill-james-see-2016
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[quote name=dylanj]that ryan howard deal is going to beat out Sorianos for worst deal ever given to a hitter[/quote]
Jason Werth says False.
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[quote name=mb21]Dropping popups are going to happen, [/quote]Ryan Theriot agrees: http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=14365839
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I think Barney’s had at least one pop-up fail this season too. You know they’ll happen here and there, but it’s annoying as hell.
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[quote name=mb21]I agree. I’d go even further and say that all of those contracts are an example of why you don’g give Pujols the kind of money he’s looking for. It might even be an example of why you don’t give Fielder the money he’ll get. Way too much shit can happen between now and the end of a contract.[/quote]Honestly i don’t want either. 1B should be the easiest to find on the trade market. I’d seriously rather they dump Soriano and try to sign Beltran. for the OF.
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I like that idea, JMan. Beltran is a free agent after this year, right? What kind of contract do you think he’s worth?
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with his injuries i wouldn’t give Beltran more than 2 years
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That’s about what I was thinking, dj, but I imagine some team will offer him 3 or more years. He’s currently at 60 WAR in his career, which makes him a Hall of Famer (more than likely). I imagine some team wouldn’t mind capitalizing on having a Hall of Famer on their roster. Don’t’ know if you can, but it wouldn’t surprise me.
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I’ve been toying with scenarios where the Cubs can legitimately put together a contender for 2012, but man, the FA class has a steep drop off after the Top 3 guys: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/03/2012-mlb-free-agents.html
I don’t even know how it’d be possible if the Cubs had plenty of payroll room and prospects to trade (sell the farm to acquire both Upton/Shields, then throw money at one of Reyes or Fielder and CJ Wilson?), but given the state of things, I find it damn near impossible.
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[quote name=mb21]That’s about what I was thinking, dj, but I imagine some team will offer him 3 or more years. He’s currently at 60 WAR in his career, which makes him a Hall of Famer (more than likely). I imagine some team wouldn’t mind capitalizing on having a Hall of Famer on their roster. Don’t’ know if you can, but it wouldn’t surprise me.[/quote]
Also having a big year too; if he was coming off another injury-filled, 60 game season, his price would be suppressed but so would the expectations of him being healthy.
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If the Cubs wanted to contend, they have to get Prince Fielder (or Pujols) and probably CC Sabathia plus others. Maybe even Fielder/Pujols, Sabathia and Reyes. That would put the Cubs at 3 type A free agents, which is the limit unless they have type A free agents leave, which they won’t.
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If Aramis Ramirez drops a pop-up, his 2012 option vests.
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[quote name=mb21]I like that idea, JMan. Beltran is a free agent after this year, right? What kind of contract do you think he’s worth?[/quote]i think he ends up with a 2/24 with vesting options based on games played. If Hendry brings in a 1B via trade I honestly believe they may go after Jose Reyes.
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I could see Lance Berkman on a one or two year deal.
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[quote name=mb21]I could see Lance Berkman on a one or two year deal.[/quote]hasn’t he stated his refusal of playing for the Cubs? Isn’t he also in a 2 or 3-year deal with the Cardinals?
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He’s a free agent after this season from what I can tell (Cots). I haven’t heard anything about him not wanting to play for the Cubs. Have you?
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[quote name=mb21]He’s a free agent after this season from what I can tell (Cots). I haven’t heard anything about him not wanting to play for the Cubs. Have you?[/quote]
I haven’t heard that and the MLBTR link I posted above also has him as FA. He’ll probably be Type A (not worried since Cubs pick should be protected) but I wonder if he’s playing himself into a bigger contract than we would want to spend.
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Think the Dbacks want Darwin Barney?
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[quote name=mb21]He’s a free agent after this season from what I can tell (Cots). I haven’t heard anything about him not wanting to play for the Cubs. Have you?[/quote]yeah I was totally wrong on his contract. I’d have to find the quote on Wrigley but fairly sure he said it had no desire to play for the Cubs. However it may have been years ago and that’s certainly something that can change for the right price.
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[quote name=GW]Think the Dbacks want Darwin Barney?[/quote]
Sure, but Jim Hendry doesn’t want to trade him. Not that that means anything right now, but that’s what he said.
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Junior Gretzky —> signed by Cubs according to Ace
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[quote name=Rice Cube]Sure, but Jim Hendry doesn’t want to trade him. Not that that means anything right now, but that’s what he said.[/quote]I read that yesterday and just laughed. I don’t know if he was serious or not, but if the Cubs GM thinks Darwin Barney is untouchable, he needs to be replaced immediately. I don’t even care who you hire. Hire Al Yellon for all I care.
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[quote name=mb21] Hire Al Yellon for all I care.[/quote]
He’d flip Darwin Barney for Nolasco!
Rice CubeQuote Reply
holy shit, i kept hearing there was no way we were going to land him. I also read a scout wondering why anyone would draft him (dying laughing)
dylanjQuote Reply
Brad: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-chicago-cubs-need-less-jim-hendry/
MishQuote Reply
[quote name=Mish]Brad: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-chicago-cubs-need-less-jim-hendry/%5B/quote%5D
Hey look, Brad wrote something that wasn’t satire! (dying laughing)
GWQuote Reply
also let me just say its total bullshit that Bud holds up these deals until the deadline. These guys could be playing right now. From what we are reading most of our draft class has deals in place but all are over slot
dylanjQuote Reply
so after this year we will have
Bour
The Great one Jr
Vogelbach
Hoiliman and maybe Rock Shoulders for 1B talent
dylanjQuote Reply
[quote name=dylanj]holy shit, i kept hearing there was no way we were going to land him. I also read a scout wondering why anyone would draft him (dying laughing)[/quote]
CHC’s farm in general is lacking in assists.
Dr. Aneus TaintQuote Reply
and if the cubs dont sign Rock Shoulders shame on them. I want to see that name in the linescore
dylanjQuote Reply
[quote name=Mish]Brad: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-chicago-cubs-need-less-jim-hendry/%5B/quote%5D
This (the bolded part) makes no sense to me. The “replacement” part of Runs Above Replacement refers to how much runs above replacement the average player is (RAR is figured by adding that to a players runs above average). Really all it means to say that must of Barney’s RAR comes from “replacement” is that his performance has been a little above average. Why couldn’t he just say that?
ACTQuote Reply
[quote name=mb21]As bad as Soriano’s deal is, it’s not even the worst deal in baseball right now. According to ZiPS going forward, you get this:
Name, Projected WAR going forward, Value, Money left on contract, difference
Howard: 10 WAR, 49 M, 137M, -88M
ARod: 19.6 WAR, 102 M, 186M, -84M
Vernon Wells: 3.4, 16, 72, -56
Soriano: 3.2, 15, 65, -50
Johan Santana: 4.4, 21, 69, -48
Teixeira: 16.2, 81, 126, -45
Zito: 2.8, 13, 57, -44
Lackey: 6.1, 29, 72, -43
Werth: 16.2, 81, 118, -37
Bay: 3.7, 17, 45, -28
(For those wondering, the players who just missed the cut are A.J. Burnett (-24), Carlos Lee (-24), Carl Crawford (-18), Adam Dunn (-16) and Nick Markakis (-13).)[/quote]
btw mb, love it when you come up with info like this at a moment’s notice. keeps me reading every word.
GWQuote Reply
Or, to put it another way, when you add Barney’s batting, fielding, and baserunning runs, his number is a tiny bit above average.
ACTQuote Reply
[quote name=Mish]I’ve been toying with scenarios where the Cubs can legitimately put together a contender for 2012, but man, the FA class has a steep drop off after the Top 3 guys: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/03/2012-mlb-free-agents.html
I don’t even know how it’d be possible if the Cubs had plenty of payroll room and prospects to trade (sell the farm to acquire both Upton/Shields, then throw money at one of Reyes or Fielder and CJ Wilson?), but given the state of things, I find it damn near impossible.[/quote]
You’d need huge bounceback years from Soto and Soriano. Plus a perfect storm of guys like Jackson, DJ, and Carpenter, to come up and become a major contributors, and at least 7 or 8 WAR net gain from free agency (Prince + CJ).
I’ve been toying with the idea of comparing the 2006-207 situation to this year’s and that’s basically what happened that year, with a similarly bad team. Of couse, the Lee and Ramirez bouncebacks were part of what propelled that improvement, and those were much more likely than a Soriano return to form.
The Cubs free agent signings that year added about 17 WAR, which is impressive. The majority of that coming from Soriano (7.0), Derosa, (3.0) and Lily (3.6).
The marginal benefit is what you’d need to calculate – Lilly replaced Maddux (3.0), Soriano replaced Pierre (3.0), Walker replaced Walker / Neifi / Theriot (0, basically). So the marginal benefit of those 3 signings alone was 8 wins alone.
I’m rambling here – I really need to put something together around the anatomy of the 2006 rebound, and see if it’s realistic to hope for something similar this year.
Edit: I love that JP’s name gets replaced with (dying laughing) automagically. I’m guess the blog software learned to do that on its own… it’s thinking.
The WreckardQuote Reply
[quote name=The Wreckard]You’d need huge bounceback years from Soto and Soriano. Plus a perfect storm of guys like Jackson, DJ, and Carpenter, to come up and become a major contributors, and at least 7 or 8 WAR net gain from free agency (Prince + CJ).
I’ve been toying with the idea of comparing the 2006-207 situation to this year’s and that’s basically what happened that year, with a similarly bad team. Of couse, the Lee and Ramirez bouncebacks were part of what propelled that improvement, and those were much more likely than a Soriano return to form.
The Cubs free agent signings that year added about 17 WAR, which is impressive. The majority of that coming from Soriano (7.0), Derosa, (3.0) and Lily (3.6).
The marginal benefit is what you’d need to calculate – Lilly replaced Maddux (3.0), Soriano replaced (dying laughing) (3.0), Walker replaced Walker / Neifi / Theriot (0, basically). So the marginal benefit of those 3 signings alone was 8 wins alone.
I’m rambling here – I really need to put something together around the anatomy of the 2006 rebound, and see if it’s realistic to hope for something similar this year.[/quote]
I’m eagerly awaiting.
MishQuote Reply
[quote name=GW]btw mb, love it when you come up with info like this at a moment’s notice. keeps me reading every word.[/quote]Thank Dan Szymborski for that one. Did I not link it? http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/insider/news/story?id=6663584
mb21Quote Reply
If CJ even considers signing with CHC, I’m finding a way to get his cell number to Alvin.
Dr. Aneus TaintQuote Reply
[quote name=ACT]Or, to put it another way, when you add Barney’s batting, fielding, and baserunning runs, his number is a tiny bit above average.[/quote]I don’t understand it either. League average wOBA is .319. Barney’s is .310. He’s a plus fielder and plus runner. I think the idea that you can’t trade him is silly if Hendry is sincere, but Barney is a productive player.
mb21Quote Reply
It’s a smartblog.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=mb21]Thank Dan Symborski for that one. Did I not link it? http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/insider/news/story?id=6663584%5B/quote%5D
(dying laughing) well, I don’t have insider, so my point stands.
GWQuote Reply
aramis for mike trout then flip trout for ricky nolasco.
Boom
dylanjQuote Reply
[quote name=GW](dying laughing) well, I don’t have insider, so my point stands.[/quote]I read that the day he published it and bookmarked it thinking I’d write something about it at some point. Maybe I linked to it. I can’t remember. The Soriano contract is bad, but it’s not close to the worst one in baseball. You’ve got about 5 or 6 guys in the Soriano range, but nobody comes close to Howard and A-Rod.
mb21Quote Reply
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJX-oFkuYxk
latfh
GWQuote Reply
New shit: http://obstructedview.net/chicago-cubs/articles/mike-quade-has-lots-of-excuses.html
Aisle424Quote Reply
the funniest part of the howard deal is that the extension hasn’t even started yet.
dylanjQuote Reply