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  1. Rice Cube

    [quote name=mb21]Brett Jackson 2-3 with a double and a triple. Flaherty 1-2 with a home run[/quote]
    Only a single shy of a shared cycle.

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  2. mb21

    Marmol ————> “taking a break” from closing

    In my opinion, this is the worst decision Quade has made as manager so far. I’m guessing it’s a decision some other managers would make as well, but this is a poor decision.

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  3. Horny Goat

    Quade has made a lot of poor decisions, bullpen management, etc.. not that it means much in the big picture. Cubs would still suck. But, when you’re this bad and out of the race, no reason to demote your highly paid closer.

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  4. Rice Cube

    [quote name=mb21]In my opinion, this is the worst decision Quade has made as manager so far. I’m guessing it’s a decision some other managers would make as well, but this is a poor decision.[/quote]
    It’ll help take the heat off of Marmol when Kerry Wood shits the bed.

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  5. mb21

    [quote name=Rice Cube]It’ll help take the heat off of Marmol when Kerry Wood shits the bed.[/quote]Yeah, I guess that’s the thing. Kerry Wood isn’t that great these days. I could understand if Quade was going to use Marmol and Marshall in the 9th based on the handedness of the batters coming up that inning, but Marshall and Wood? That’s a huge step down. A slumping Carlos Marmol is better than Kerry Wood.

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  6. Rice Cube

    KC wants that #3 pick (dying laughing)

    Thank you Matt Capps! Cubs keep #2 pick another day if KC can hold on BWAHAHAHA.

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  7. Rice Cube

    [quote name=mb21]Yeah, I guess that’s the thing. Kerry Wood isn’t that great these days. I could understand if Quade was going to use Marmol and Marshall in the 9th based on the handedness of the batters coming up that inning, but Marshall and Wood? That’s a huge step down. A slumping Carlos Marmol is better than Kerry Wood.[/quote]
    I think there really is something wrong with Marmol’s mechanics and I think it was commendable that Q trotted him out today anyway as a show of confidence, but there’s only so much a manager can do when his guy’s not performing…I agree with you that maybe they should have just said Marmol would get a break and not talked about what would happen when he returned, instead just saying “we’ll take it a day at a time” or “no comment”.

    I think if Marmol can figure out his release point he’ll be fine.

    By the way, he always seems to throw out of the stretch but I thought a lot of relievers threw out of the stretch. Is that a problem?

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  8. Horny Goat

    Marmol has always gone thru stretches of wildness but to make up for it this year, recently, he’s been throwing meatballs. Not a good sign.

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  9. Horny Goat

    [quote name=Rice Cube]Speaking of relievers sucking, Joakim Soria is in the midst of a fail.[/quote]
    Soria, KC, hangs on.

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  10. Horny Goat

    [quote name=Rice Cube]Holy crap. Pittsburgh is in first place (dying laughing)[/quote]
    when’s the last time they’ve been in 1st place after the AS break?

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  11. Rice Cube

    [quote name=Horny Goat]when’s the last time they’ve been in 1st place after the AS break?[/quote]
    Probably back when Barry Bonds was still a Pirate.

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  12. mb21

    [quote name=Rice Cube]Probably back when Barry Bonds was still a Pirate.[/quote]So when was the last time thy didn’t have a tainted first place team after the ASB? (dying laughing)

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  13. ACT

    Yeah, when I started watching baseball, the Pirates were one of the best teams in baseball. The Cubs also had 3 future HOFers on the team (they still managed to suck, of course).

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  14. Horny Goat

    [quote name=ACT]Minnesota makes me feel less bad for the Cubs. They have two closers failing, rather than just one.[/quote]
    they are only 6 back of 1st place now. I thought they were done long ago but I wouldn’t rule it out.

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  15. Rice Cube

    [quote name=mb21]So when was the last time thy didn’t have a tainted first place team after the ASB? (dying laughing)[/quote]
    This was pre-taint, allegedly.

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  16. Rice Cube

    [quote name=Rice Cube](dying laughing)

    Fontenot’s TOOTBLAN allowed Torres to score from third base. Brilliant![/quote]
    I will amend that to a TOOTB because there was a method to the madness on that play. Awesome.

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  17. Rice Cube

    Pablo Sandoval is guaranteed one more plate appearance to extend his hit streak, because people care about these things.

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  18. ACT

    [quote name=Mish]http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/16/want-jeff-baker-dont-even-think-about-it[/quote]This team confuses me. Granted, Baker can be useful if he can be paired with a lefty at a position, but why not consider trading him?

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  19. Aisle424

    [quote name=ACT]This team confuses me. Granted, Baker can be useful if he can be paired with a lefty at a position, but why not consider trading him?[/quote]
    They are finally getting healthy and everybody wants them to start trading people. They’re trying to win games here, people.

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  20. Xoomwaffle

    [quote name=ACT]This team confuses me. Granted, Baker can be useful if he can be paired with a lefty at a position, but why not consider trading him?[/quote]
    I would guess because more than on team has shown interest that he is simply trying to drive up the price. I would guess there are very few actual untouchable people on this team.

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  21. Berselius

    [quote name=Mish]http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/16/want-jeff-baker-dont-even-think-about-it[/quote]

    At least Baker doesn’t cost much of anything.

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  22. mb21

    That lineup makes me laugh because one of the untouchable players on the Cubs isn’t even in the lineup. If Baker is untouchable, every player on the team should be.

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  23. Berselius

    [quote name=mb21]That lineup makes me laugh because one of the untouchable players on the Cubs isn’t even in the lineup. If Baker is untouchable, every player on the team should be.[/quote]
    They’re trying to win games vs LHP here

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  24. Aisle424

    [quote name=mb21]That lineup makes me laugh because one of the untouchable players on the Cubs isn’t even in the lineup. If Baker is untouchable, every player on the team should be.[/quote]
    They like his fart-lighting and intangibles.

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  25. Bottleasmoke

    [quote name=mb21]In my opinion, this is the worst decision Quade has made as manager so far. I’m guessing it’s a decision some other managers would make as well, but this is a poor decision.[/quote]
    I don’t know if giving Marmol a break is all that bad an idea if he has some legit mechanical issues. Every athlete gets into bad habits from time to time. Albert Pujols is the best hitter I’ve probably seen, (and living in the Lou with their Exenaphobic sports coverage i see him a lot), but even he gets into getting pull conscious or where he’s lunging at the ball. One of the things that separates him is his ability to rapidly adjust what he’s going. An advantage that he has is that he gets multiple chances per game to tweak those adjustments and he only has to be successful 30% of the time. I think with Marmol in the closer role, with a sample size that small and with as little tolerance as fans will have for him failing while he irons things out, it might be ok to pull him out of that role until he’s right again. The cliche is that good coaches find ways to put their players in a position to succeed, right? I know it’s not the greatest analogy and it’s not backed by anything close to numbers, but maybe someone who didn’t have to take an intro to college algebra, college algara, and an intro to statistics 3 times each can find some data about closets who struggled then got it back together?

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  26. Xoomwaffle

    [quote name=ACT]Well, at least Quade won’t have to worry about who will close this game.[/quote]
    Hollandsworth must have meant games like this when he said F7 has earned a shot to close…

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  27. binky

    In regards to Hendry not taking offers on Baker. Is it possible that Hendry and Ricketts are thinking about spending a really large amount of money next year and buying a team to take them to the post season? That might at least explain their hesitancy to trade anyone. Maybe Ricketts has more money than people think, or is banking on having a really big year if he can buy up a good team? Not saying its a smart move, but I’m trying to make sense of their behavior.

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  28. mb21

    It’s possible, Josh and it’s not like Baker has much value anyway. He may have more value to the Cubs than he could get in return.

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  29. Alvin Yellon

    [quote name=josh]In regards to Hendry not taking offers on Baker. Is it possible that Hendry and Ricketts are thinking about spending a really large amount of money next year and buying a team to take them to the post season? That might at least explain their hesitancy to trade anyone. Maybe Ricketts has more money than people think, or is banking on having a really big year if he can buy up a good team? Not saying its a smart move, but I’m trying to make sense of their behavior.[/quote]
    Spend money? The Yankees spend money all the time and look how well that’s worked out for them.

    The Cubs need to build around Darwin Barney, Jeff Baker, Sean Marshall, and Kerry Wood to win a World Series. It’s gonna happen. The best is yet to come.

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  30. binky

    If they are seriously going to make a run at Fielder, it wouldn’t make sense to surround him by all minor leaguers. I don’t know. It appears regardless of the details that they intend to try to compete next year.

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  31. Alvin Yellon

    The Cubs should also think about trading Brett Jackson and Jay Jackson for Andrew McCutcheon. Then they can trade McCutcheon and McNutt for Drew Stubbs.

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  32. binky

    [quote name=Alvin Yellon]The Cubs should also think about trading Brett Jackson and Jay Jackson for Andrew McCutcheon. Then they can trade McCutcheon and McNutt for Drew Stubbs.[/quote]Then flip him in a three way trade to get Ryan Theriot and Mark DeRosa.

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  33. binky

    [quote name=josh]Then flip him in a three way trade to get Ryan Theriot and Mark DeRosa.[/quote]if they have to throw in Castro, that’s fine.

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  34. Berselius

    [quote name=josh]if they have to throw in Castro, that’s fine.[/quote]
    He’ll never stick at SS anyway. Better see if we can get Tejada as a throw-in to that 3-way trade.

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  35. GW

    [quote name=mb21]It’s possible, Josh and it’s not like Baker has much value anyway. He may have more value to the Cubs than he could get in return.[/quote]
    agreed

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  36. mb21

    [quote name=ACT]My thinking on the Baker thing is maybe the Cubs are thinking they’ll need him after they move Ramirez.[/quote]That could be.

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  37. binky

    [quote name=mb21]That could be.[/quote]Is Baker at 3rd any better than Castro at third? Neither one hits for power.

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  38. ACT

    Probably not, but I don’t think they have any plans to move Castro to 3rd. And even if they did, they’d have to slide Barney over to SS, and they’d still need a Baker or someone to play 2nd.

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  39. ACT

    An other topic, although I’m not happy to see Castro slumping, I hope it offers some rebuke to those who attributed his previous slumps to his hitting 3rd in the lineup.

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