Welp, we had this thing done on Sunday night and then the Cubs went and blew up our plans, so we recorded again. Mind you it’s a good thing that they did the thing, but still, considering how most of us have actual jobs, this is as early as I could get it to you (dying laughing)
This time:
- The Cubs clandestine recruitment of Craig Counsell
- What this means for David Ross
- What this means for the 2024 Cubs
- Some old stuff about the World Series that just happened
- Thoughts on the Gold Glove winners
- Some goofs and easter eggs for your amusement
We’ll be back after the GM Meetings and the MLB award announcements for another episode before the Thanksgiving break, and hopefully by then we know more about how the Cubs intend to make Counsell’s first year really slap.
You can check out the podcast page or just click on the embedded players below. You can also use the sidebar to get to our Apple Podcast pages and leave a nice review and rating if it pleases you.
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Still thrilled
I agree with you guys on the podcast. I will root for Ross and want him to succeed, but with Counsell available I want Ross to succeed elsewhere. Preferably not in the National League.
dmick89Quote Reply
Other than the customary meeting with agents:
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/11/the-opener-gm-meetings-yankees-counsell.html
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Apparently Mike Schmidt was not a career .300 hitter.
PerkinsQuote Reply
Perkins,
I would expect him to be in the *UPPER* .200s.
#amphetaminejokesFTW
andcountingQuote Reply
andcounting,
I laughed.
berseliusQuote Reply
I was reminded that this was once a thing (and might still be) and with the Orioles guy winning exec of the year it’s still kind of gross that you get an award for not spending much to exceed expectations but whatever
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/03/mlb-awards-championship-belt-during-arbitration-symposium.html
Rice CubeQuote Reply
Forgot if I shared this somewhere but some of these contracts seem way out there
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/11/2023-24-top-50-free-agents-with-predictions.html
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Rice Cube,
I can’t believe people don’t think Ohtani’s injury will put a dent in his contract.
andcountingQuote Reply
andcounting,
I would argue that he picked a bad time to get injured but also he’s gonna get more money than I will ever see just in the first minute of playing time so…
Rice CubeQuote Reply
Let the 9 realms align
Rice CubeQuote Reply
Rice Cube,
I can’t decide what feels more wild – 12/264 for Bellinger or 2/16 for J-Hey
berseliusQuote Reply
berselius,
I imagine the real numbers when signings are official will also make us scratch our heads
Rice CubeQuote Reply
Jed basically said what we all did last month, that there were a lot of wins left on the table
https://www.marqueesportsnetwork.com/how-and-why-the-cubs-chose-to-make-difficult-decision-at-manager-craig-counsell/
Rice CubeQuote Reply
Yeah I get the injuries but having leaned on the same three bullpen arms all through the summer really hurt down the stretch. The Diamondbacks won the NL and there’s no way you could convince me they were a better team than the Cubs this year.
PerkinsQuote Reply
On the one hand it’s Boob, on the other hand, why not?
https://twitter.com/ChiSportUpdates/status/1722084990530273666?t=t_z1yceOTTi0vEqwsqgHG2XLkL0KFqDHhVzbxDiuSBA&s=19
Rice CubeQuote Reply
Rice Cube,
It’s insane. This is batshit bonkers. And while it is Nightengale, it’s not like he’s predicting the Cubs here, just a lot of GMs telling him they expect the Cubs to be aggressive. That seems to be more hopeful than the dreaded Bob non-White-Sox prediction.
andcountingQuote Reply
I still think Ohtani is a near-lock for the Dodgers but damn would it be exciting for the Cubs to land him.
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Wasted a guess on Angels Silver Slugger.
PerkinsQuote Reply
Darn steroid lemur killed my Rarity
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Guess theTV bubble has burst
https://twitter.com/Travis_Sawchik/status/1722286593040433241?t=A3lsRVHIihjlpunLK-45ww&s=19
Hope Marquee is sustainable now that they have the app
Rice CubeQuote Reply
Rice Cube,
That thread talks about RSN revenue from cable subscribers who never actually watch games. But teams have to recognize there are a ton of baseball fans who waste money on cable/streaming packages solely so they can watch sports. It should be relatively easy to get that revenue back.
andcountingQuote Reply
Good idea Boras, but will MLB go for it?
https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/1722314075856867466?t=2mi2Tmho3Y0uyp0pEihZ8w&s=19
Rice CubeQuote Reply
It’s Christmas Theo, it’s the time of miracles!
https://www.bleachernation.com/cubs/2023/11/08/more-shohei-rumors-the-cubs-are-a-player-in-this-ohtani-thing/
Rice CubeQuote Reply
Rice Cube,
For the record, I think World Series at a neutral site is extremely stupid.
PerkinsQuote Reply
Perkins,
Oh I was more talking about moving the draft, the neutral site thing would be weird at best
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Perkins,
It’s also a technical nightmare. It’s difficult enough with the Super Bowl, but 7 games in 9 days would be crazy. It also probably wouldn’t bring in much profit to the city.
dmick89Quote Reply
It’s not that hard to coach the Angels, tell them Wash
Ron Washington: it’s real hard
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/11/angels-hire-ron-washington-as-manager.html
Rice CubeQuote Reply
Looks like Rhys Hoskins is done in Philly
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/11/bryce-harper-to-play-first-base-going-forward.html
Rice CubeQuote Reply
GMs always want more runs, but not like this…
Rice CubeQuote Reply
Rice Cube,
I laughed.
berseliusQuote Reply
Rice Cube,
Someone on the EW discord called it the GI meetings.
berseliusQuote Reply
Crappy ending, GM meetings canceled the rest of the way
https://twitter.com/stephapstein/status/1722478673583042946?t=GHPrhp3I8tHL_GDmhDnhdA&s=19
Rice CubeQuote Reply
Fun with numbers:
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2024-top-50-mlb-free-agents/
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Trash (dying laughing)
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Rice CubeQuote Reply
Listening to the podcast finally…
Nice job on the sound effects RC. Cracked me up.
Still amazed how you can make this sound so much better as a pod than it does on the phone. Heavily editing me is definitely a benefit. (dying laughing).
BVSQuote Reply
BVS,
Also, Adam’s point about Jed not over-pursuing was proven last year with the SS market. Were Bogaerts or Correa more valuable than Dansby? Were they $100M better?
The Cubs would have more $ to spend if Papa Ricketts quit wasting his money on politics.
Counsell’s sons are at UMs. Michigan and Minnesota. Apparently his favorite son is at Michigan since that’s who he moved closer to.
BVSQuote Reply
Benetti—–> Tigers pbp
Wonder if Len picks up the tv job or if he also jumps ship
berseliusQuote Reply
berselius,
Len is very unlikely to call a World Series on the radio if he stays with the Sox
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Tough one today.
PerkinsQuote Reply
berselius,
In my opinion, Benetti to Detroit is a bigger coup than Counsell to the Cubs. It’s bonkers.
And I saw a statement from the Sox saying Len is committed to radio and they’re searching for a replacement elsewhere. I can’t imagine remaining a fan of that org.
andcountingQuote Reply
BVS,
And thanks for the highlight on the outtakes. smh.
BVSQuote Reply
BVS,
I’m just glad my cat decided to spare me another mid-podcast shit during our emergency session
Rice CubeQuote Reply
andcounting,
Considering that Detroit is a market that’s what…20% the size of Chicago?
Good for the Tigers fans though. Since Ernie Harwell died, they’ve had to endure some pretty awful announcing. Frank Beckman was terrible on both radio and TV. He was just one grievance after another. I’ve never thought Jim Price was that interesting either. He drags down Dan Dickerson, who seems pretty good the few times I’ve heard him.
BVSQuote Reply
This has been circulating, David Ross is internalizing most of the emotions from his dismissal it would seem
https://www.tallahassee.com/story/sports/2023/11/09/david-ross-speaks-craig-counsell-replaced-chicago-cubs-manager/71515771007/
Rice CubeQuote Reply
Wait…what did he do wrong? Does Jerry even watch TV?
Rice CubeQuote Reply
Yes but it’s on an old console TV that he bought used as a student in 1963. The paper speaker in the back rotted away years ago after sitting in sun too long by the picture window in the living room. It’s hanging together by the three reinforced seams.
BVSQuote Reply
BVS,
The dude hired in-the-gutter TLR for two years. He forfeited his right to criticize anyone about anything. The White Sox are the Exxon Valdez of sports franchises.
andcountingQuote Reply
Belli –> Silver Slugger
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andcounting,
Which makes the OakVegas A’s the Deepwater Horizon, I guess.
BVSQuote Reply
Not the best but I knew things yay
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Kenny Lofton was much more popular than I’d expected for CHC-CLE.
PerkinsQuote Reply
Perkins,
I was kind of surprised so many chose Orel Hershiser
Rice CubeQuote Reply
Rice Cube,
I went with Fernando Valenzuela. Really proud of Jack Pfiester for the Cubs, though.
PerkinsQuote Reply
Alert
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The challenge as usual is the rarity
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Fun one today. Kinda surprised Juan Marichal was all the way up at 7% where I used him.
PerkinsQuote Reply
You can do today’s IG with all ex cubs but there is only one combination that works for the international Cy Young/HOF slots.
I didn’t think about this until I entered Fergie in the wrong slot. So I could only use 8 cubs.
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BVSQuote Reply
BVS,
Fergie works for both but who’s the other international HoFer?
PerkinsQuote Reply
I don’t have the link, but I saw a note from Bruce Levine that Counsell talked to Ross on the phone for about 45 minutes. Good on both of them for the gesture and the patience to sit through that awkwardness.
andcountingQuote Reply
andcounting,
Good on Ross for doing that. Not sure I’d be big enough if I was in his shoes.
dmick89Quote Reply
dmick89,
Same but I expect professional athletes to have big feet
berseliusQuote Reply
Perkins,
Fergie works for international Cy Young or HOF, but you have to use him for HOF because he’s the only Cub who works there. Willie Hernandez works for exCub international Cy Young.
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I got shellacked today. Didn’t help that I wasted a couple guesses on the Mets row.
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Wow that was pathetic (dying laughing)
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Ex-Cubs actually killed my rarity
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Surprised Dex was over 10%.
PerkinsQuote Reply
Man, Counsell is smaller even than the front office people.
andcountingQuote Reply
andcounting,
That’s probably why he had to do that stupid batting stance so he appeared bigger to the apex predators
Rice CubeQuote Reply
New-ish shit, the juxtaposition of the last two slider featured pics is kind of funny –> http://www.obstructedview.net/welcome-craig-counsell/
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