Well folks, we did it, the Cubs finally won another series. Maybe they’ll go on and win another, who knows? We talk about the inconsistent performances, signs of hope, Counsell magic, and more. Plus a tribute to Willie Mays. RC is moving back to Chicago so literally just recorded this and threw it up on the podcast server with minimal editing as all the stuff got packed away as soon as we hit stop.
You can check out the podcast page or just click on the embedded players below. You can also use the sidebar to get to our Apple Podcast pages and leave a nice review and rating if it pleases you.
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Gotta learn more about the NLB, also Randy Johnson was apparently a big go-to for that square (dying laughing)
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Damn you, Giants.
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Alas
Go Padres
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Padres suck
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Rice Cube,
False
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Just setting off all the land mines today
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Itβs always a good day when I get to use Joe Borowski. 9/9 Cubs today.
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Given McDonaldβs is headquartered in Chicago, I think the Cubs should have no trouble getting Grimace to throw out the first pitch and steal the Metsβ mojo.
Or they could get Hamburglar and it might have the same effect.
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They’re shipping my car, herein lies the day’s lineup
https://www.mlb.com/gameday/mets-vs-cubs/2024/06/21/746861/preview
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Rice Cube,
You fit the entire lineup in your car? Do you work nights as a clown (dying laughing)
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berselius,
That would somewhat make it difficult for them to make it to first pitch, but ironically they should be coming back to SF just as I am to leave (dying laughing)
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Ah fuck
PerkinsQuote Reply
Wind blowing out? Or is this just the poisson process of Shota’s pitch mix
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berselius,
I haven’t been watching but noticed that his FB is about 2 mph slower than usual
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I be packing but just wanted to say that if there ever was a time to throw strikes, it would be when you’re down a bunch of runs
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Edmonton vying for some rare comeback magic π
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A few too many landmines today
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3000 hits column was tough on rarity.
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Cubs score 30 runs today but itβs still going to be a tight game.
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π
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Quite pleased with what’s going on as I return to packing
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Great wheels on PCA
berseliusQuote Reply
Some real Metsing going on this inning
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Tried and succeeded in not sucking π
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False.
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/belated
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That was probably a shrimp anyway but that guy really should work on it
https://x.com/thecomeback/status/1804754637506945413?t=0M5Wv2LF45oPteqxRlyP1Q&s=19
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https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-end-of-the-2016-cubs-is-coming/
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D’oh!
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berselius,
While it is true that there are no guarantees in baseball, I do think the Cubs probably erred in their coaching and development of what could have been generational talents…just kind of makes you sad, though drinks are on me for 2016
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Meh
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In retrospect, Maddon was probably the wrong leader for that team after about 2017. Great manager and absolutely the right guy to take them to the promised land, but his hands off/laid back approach was likely not the best for the playersβ long term development.
It has to be really hard to get a group of 25 year old dudes who just won a World Series to buy in on adapting their hitting approach or otherwise changing from what got them there. At least without a veteran player like Ross reinforcing it.
Better roster construction might also have helped if the core players werenβt going to adjust. The 2016 team was insanely deep and had an effective balance of 3TO and contact guys, while the teams after (and the 2015 team) were all vulnerable to the same type of pitching.
PerkinsQuote Reply
Boo Giants and boo Padres.
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Maybe
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Leiter ——-> IL
berseliusQuote Reply
It sure would be nice if the Cubs could pitch and score in the same game (dying laughing)
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This is all going to turn around when they bring in Sutter.
andcountingQuote Reply
What baseball player do you think of when you see bird poop, and why is it Harrison Bader?
andcountingQuote Reply
Let’s go teaser rally
berseliusQuote Reply
(dying laughing)mets
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DΓaz had something on his hands, so he probably just stepped off the Dave Matthewβs Band tour bus.
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At least I avoided the most common answers.
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There was a moment in an in-game interview with Carter Hawkins where it felt like he unintentionally distilled everything wrong with Chicago Cubs baseball when discussing Christopher Morel.
He said, βWeβve got to optimize his production on the baseball field,β or something to that effect and elaborated on how they would do that for every facet of his game. And it hit so hard that the teamβs plan is to strip any amount of enjoyment or love from his experience playing baseball for the sake of optimization. Theyβre going to analytics him to death to the point where heβs lost all mindfulness or instinct or creativity or joy. Theyβre going to systematically transform him from Rocky to Dragos. They did it to their entire 2016 core and even did it to Joe Maddon.
Probably did it to Steele and will continue to do it to Shota, Seiya, Assad, and the entire bullpen. You canβt do it to Hendricks because that shit is Kyleβs fetish but heβs a nerd-thirsty unicorn.
I donβt know, I think analytics is extremely crucial to the game, but you have to know how to wield it. I donβt think itβs unfair to say that the Cubs absolutely do not.
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andcounting,
I think they have to find out what works for that player naturally and then just let it ride. After all, the only rule is that it has to work. Getting a guy out of his natural rhythm or mechanics seems like a huge opportunity to mess him up down the line.
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Rice Cube,
Yeah, I wish the mindset was less βletβs optimize himβ and more βletβs unleash his talent.β
andcountingQuote Reply
Iβm not sure the Cubs did that to the whole 2016 core. They seemed content to let Javy be Javy, and Iβd hope they could do the same for Morel (while getting him to throw across the diamond more accurately).
PerkinsQuote Reply
Perkins,
I really donβt know. I definitely believe he developed a tendency to overthink things at the plate, the downward spiral of which began in Chicago. But Iβd consider him the unicorn on the pole opposite Kyle Hendricks on the analytical/emotional spectrum. (dying laughing)
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Hmm, guess even back in the day it was hard to steal that many bases
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Feel the energy! Or don’t, I can’t tell you what to do.
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To-day’s base ball squadron
2B Hoerner
RF Suzuki
DH Bellinger
3B Morel
LF Happ
SS Swanson
1B Busch
C Nido
CF PCA
P Steele
berseliusQuote Reply
Alanis!!!!!!
andcountingQuote Reply
That might be the first hard hit liner by Morel to actually make it through the infield (dying laughing).
berseliusQuote Reply
NOBLETIGER in play
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Saved by a super-WAG (dying laughing)
berseliusQuote Reply
Maybe itβs time to let pitchers hit again.
andcountingQuote Reply
Steele is cruising
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NOBLETIGER vanquished again, what team is this
berseliusQuote Reply
Dansby
berseliusQuote Reply
There we go.
andcountingQuote Reply
I think the giants are doing three bullpen games in a four game series – if only someone would start writing previews again I would know for sure.
berseliusQuote Reply
We might need to hunt down GBTS to remake the Campana gif with PCA (dying laughing)
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Steele has been great but going back for the eighth means Counsell feels about the same about the cubs bullpen as we do (dying laughing)
berseliusQuote Reply
Whoa.
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Brewer as closer, cool cool cool.
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andcounting,
Maybe the Counsell brewers magic will translate on name alone
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berselius,
Or the trademark Brewersy soft-tossing lefty, (dying laughing). This game is hilarious.
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Winning is simple, simple things are incredibly hard
berseliusQuote Reply
What a terrible game.
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Cyle is going to throw a 200 pitch CG tomorrow
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This team needs some kind of shakeup. Bullpen is probably the place to start.
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Not bad.
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Pfft Neris could’ve done that…
I drove by two billboards showing the Cubs up 4-2 at the top of the 9th, and by the time I got back to the other side of the Bay, they had lost (dying laughing)
I guess throwing quality pitches is hard.
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We need to get out of βthrowing quality pitchesβ territory in our criticism and remember the Michael Fulmer experience. As a closer he was not it. He was super dependable in general, but he didnβt have elite bat-missing stuff. If you want someone who can absolutely shut it down in the 9th, you need someone who renders bats moot. The Cubs donβt have anyone close to that, and that is a Jed problem.
Merryweather and Alzolay being out is no small setback, but itβs also not new. Ben Brown as well (Jesus, thatβs a lot of arms). At some point youβve got to bite the bullet and say, βOk, six of my own cars have broken down, I need to call an Uber.β Trade for SOMEONE who can miss bats, and if, when the MASH unit has done its work, you wind up with a crowded bullpen at the end of the season, FUCKING GREAT.
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andcounting,
On a related note, BABIP is down league-wide this year, and a lot of the speculation is that it’s related to improved defensive positioning thanks to statcast etc. As dark humorly amusing it is for the Cubs to line into 200 double plays a game, maybe there’s more the players can do to change their approach to counterbalance it.
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B-ref doesn’t seem to have BABIP, but this is the lowest league OBP since the early 70s. The only seasons post-integration with a lower league OBP are 1968 (not surprising), 1965-57, 1963, and 1972, and those years included pitchers hitting on half the teams. One could argue that this is the worst year for offense league wide in modern history.
berseliusQuote Reply
Going by OPS, 2014 is slightly worse, but the pattern holds.
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caveats that it’s only half a year, there will be more offense as more summer weather games are played, etc etc
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andcounting,
Itβs kind of insane how many anticipated high leverage arms are either injured or have been absolute pants: Alzolay, Merryweather, Almonte, Brown, Leiter, and Neris. Thatβs almost a whole-ass bullpen.
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The obstacle, of course, is teams charging a premium for trades now rather than closer to the deadline, which means either Jed says “fuck it” or he just waits and hopes they’re still close enough to add
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Rice Cube,
It feels like this club has very few short term assets and a glut of prospects, so even in their current doldrums, adding probably makes more sense anyway.
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berselius,
Weβll have to ask opposing hitters in the late innings because they seem to have figured it out. (dying laughing)
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Rice Cube,
The going rate for a good bullpen arm is undoubtedly high but I wish theyβd pull the trigger. They donβt HAVE to stop the bleeding I guess but Iβd really prefer it if they would.
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andcounting,
That was what, blown save number 17 yesterday? Imagine if even half of those had been converted. The offense and starting pitching have each had lackluster stretches, but the bullpen has needed at least 1-2 more reliable arms the entire season.
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To-day’s based ball squadron
2B Hoerner
1B Busch
RF Bellinger
DH Suzuki
LF Happ
3B Morel
SS Swanson
CF PCA
C Amaya
SP Cyle
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May the Cubs score in bunches and actually hold a big lead tonight
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Miguel Amaya has thrown out a would-be base stealer!
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Through six innings and not even half way to his pitch limit, you love to see it.
berseliusQuote Reply
If the Giants wanted to honor Willie Mays they would have changed out of these hideous unis after the first inning.
berseliusQuote Reply
Please, monkey paw, can you please make one or two games look different than this?
andcountingQuote Reply
Bullpen intensifies
berseliusQuote Reply
No one up in the pen, I hope Counsell is sending a message to the FO to go get some effing arms (dying laughing).
berseliusQuote Reply
At least they’re not blowing a lead
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Fake rally hat time!
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Very happy for a good Kyle start
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Cubs legend Jerome Williams makes an appearance.
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Failure! Everyone remembers the teams of Griffey
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Driving in Nevada, where people for some reason aren’t just going 90 all the time
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Iβve got a βCubs win 10 to 9, almost blowing a 10-run leadβ kind of vibe tonight.
andcountingQuote Reply
Good for PCA.
But I swear, he must have close to a 100% first-pitch swing rate.
andcountingQuote Reply
False.
andcountingQuote Reply
Marquee has to dial back the crowd mics. There is no reason we need to hear every heckler.
andcountingQuote Reply
Iβm not sure which I hate more: seeing the Cubs in an early hole and expecting them not to have any chance, or my own apathy at that state of affairs.
PerkinsQuote Reply
PCA, speed Jesus.
andcountingQuote Reply
I forgot this was a four game series (dying laughing)
Also it is tied somehow
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Rice Cube,
False
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Giants 7, 8, and 9 hitters all homered. The Cubs 7, 8, and 9 hitters are due up. Rise to the challenge, you scoundrels.
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andcounting,
Spoiler: they did not
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Fuck.
andcountingQuote Reply
This systemic ineptitude is rather disturbing, I generally don’t mind if the Cubs missed the postseason this year, I just don’t want whatever the hell this is to persist into later seasons.
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Don’t tell me what to do
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One thing Iβm especially surprised and disappointed by this season is how atrocious the Cubs have been in one run games. Iβd really expected the Counsell effect to be more positive there, but I guess itβs easier to hold close leads when the bullpen doesnβt look like a MASH unit.
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Bleah
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Assad —-> IL
FFS
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Elmo fire dot gif
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TFW risking an easy TOOTBLAN is a good call because of your 8 and 9 hitters.
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All that stealing for nothing!
andcountingQuote Reply
Cubs lose
SKQuote Reply
I hope the Cubs lose this one too. Fuck βem.
PerkinsQuote Reply
I miss low-leverage situations.
andcountingQuote Reply
Driving through Utah now, annoyed with the typical Cubs ineptitude
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I also kind of hope someone blinds this umpire with a hot poker.
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Perkins,
(dying laughing), I kind of wish no one had.
andcountingQuote Reply
The Cubs start out with a runner at second, so now they HAVE to score.
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Now we can relax.
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(I) W(atch baseball to relax)
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Avoided the super popular ones at least.
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Perhaps this is the turnaround we’ve all been waiting for
/hope
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Pretty good.
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Bunch of folks chose Andrew Romine as their pitcher/catcher (dying laughing)
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Rice Cube,
John Baker here.
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I think anything short of sweeping the Brewers has to be considered a failure this weekend, and thatβs unfortunate.
Whatβs everyoneβs win streak amount that would make you feel good about this team again? I say 12.
PerkinsQuote Reply
Perkins,
Honestly, three. I think Iβd be as happy with a stretch where they go 15-7 as I would if they win 10 in a row just because Iβd have more faith in sustaining a steady improvement vs. a hot streak. So if they win a few in a row and then another bunch or they win six straight series (which kinda look like murder over the next couple weeks), Iβd take that as proof they can be better than this bullshit.
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andcounting,
Iβd definitely take a stretch like that. My interpretation of a double digit win streak would be positive regression given how many close games theyβve lost.
PerkinsQuote Reply
The Cubs should try to break the consecutive wins record anyway
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Perkins,
For sure, Iβm just hopelessly easy to convince that things are going to turn around. If they win 2 of 3 at Milwaukee Iβm buying playoff tickets. (dying laughing)
andcountingQuote Reply
Keegan Thompson is on the IL and they already DFAβd the pitcher they just acquired?
andcountingQuote Reply
Seiya!
andcountingQuote Reply
…………………………….
berseliusQuote Reply
berselius,
bump
berseliusQuote Reply
That was 2x Brewers bullshit plus 1x stupidass pitch
You had two guys down two strikes and that happens? Idiots
Rice CubeQuote Reply
Rice Cube,
I guess one of the bullshits was Amaya’s fault but still
Rice CubeQuote Reply
This team is playing so dumb, I think it becomes fair to wonder what is up with the coaching and preparation
Rice CubeQuote Reply
The fake rally is always annoying.
PerkinsQuote Reply
Disappointing
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The entire game swung on one 0-2 hanging sweeper down the middle. The only thing that beat them. The sum total of their offense.
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Hecking Joe Morgan
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Not bad.
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Outs are so overrated.
andcountingQuote Reply
Man, fuck this team.
PerkinsQuote Reply
Driving through Nebraska, such a long and boring state
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Rice Cube,
But on the plus side, jk(dying laughing).
andcountingQuote Reply
W(hy)
andcountingQuote Reply
W(hew)
berseliusQuote Reply
I napped through 2/3 of this game so W for me as well
berseliusQuote Reply
You got the third where they won!
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It would appear Steele got super pissed off at his teammates so here’s hoping for a spark
Rice CubeQuote Reply
Rice Cube,
Shades of my man Carlos Zambrano
berseliusQuote Reply
Iβve been hoping for a June 2007 Lou Piniella-esque moment, and CC doesnβt seem the type to oblige. Hope it helps fire them up because this has been a dead-ass team for over a month.
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Neat.
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Incidentally even reading articles at BN has become annoying because of the sponsor plugs. Congrats to Brett for securing the bag, but goddamn.
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Perkins,
Yep
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Perkins,
By powering through it, you are today’s Ankin Law Reader of the Day
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Fortunately the worst ads any of us has to endure here would be for cast iron cookware and possibly a Jack Benny box set (dying laughing).
PerkinsQuote Reply
Our pitch of “Buy Product X. Or don’t. We can’t tell you what to do” did not get good reception with our potential clients.
berseliusQuote Reply
To-day’s base ball squadron
2B Hoerner
1B Busch
DH Belli
RF Suzuki
LF Happ
3B Morel
SS Swanson
CF PCA
C Amaya
SP Cyle
berseliusQuote Reply
Welp
At least they didn’t get swept
Rice CubeQuote Reply
Love too see your opponent score five runs after an error
berseliusQuote Reply
Itβs kind of a shame that Hoyer built such a strong farm system that isnβt quite ready yet because it kinda feels like there need to be consequences for this season and heβs soon a lame duck.
PerkinsQuote Reply
Perkins,
I’ll be interested to read all the takes about whose fault this is after the season*
* not actually interested, just fix it please
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Rice Cube,
I do think this team would be closer to its pre-season projections but for the absolute disaster of the bullpen. Thatβs mostly front office, with maybe some blame to the training staff.
But itβd be swell to see the Cubs operate like a real big market franchise thatβs willing to absorb sunk money and keep spending when itβs necessary to compete. Thatβs probably on the ownership as much as the front office.
PerkinsQuote Reply
As we get closer to the mighty Mississippi (stopping first at the world’s biggest truck stop or so they claim), I see random headlines about firing and/or trading everyone and I seriously wonder what that is supposed to accomplish.
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Rice Cube,
I’d settle for a million a year to join this FO, I’ve got a secret plan to fix everything
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Happy Bobby Bonilla day to all
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Canβt believe I forgot about Rich Harden.
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Chicago I am in you
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Well at least the Cubs can try to right the ship against the *checks notes* Phillies? Ah hell.
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8 Cubs today. Probably could have gotten 9 if Iβd given more thought to the center square.
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Not all Cubs but many could have beens
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To-day’s base ball squadron
2B Hoerner
1B Busch
RF Bellinger
DH Suzuki
LF Happ
3B Morel
SS Swanson
CF PCA
C Nido
SP Wesneski
berseliusQuote Reply
Go Cubs
I guess
Maybe?
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Go Cubs. Or donβt. I canβt tell you what to do.
PerkinsQuote Reply
Let’s go cubs love da cubbies
berseliusQuote Reply
Cubs lose.
PerkinsQuote Reply
I really do wish Pitch Lab would help their supposedly good pitchers just not suck
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The fakest of rallies!
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Bah
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ROY is a tough one
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Rice Cube,
WSH 100 RBI weirdly crushed me more than the whole ROY row. Guess I donβt know enough Expos.
PerkinsQuote Reply
Shota doing Shota things.
andcountingQuote Reply
It seems like Nico has lost all sense of the strike zone.
andcountingQuote Reply
Pete Crow-Guerrero has lost the strike zone too but with much better results.
andcountingQuote Reply
andcountingQuote Reply
There is a massive pile of stuff in my apartment and I fear it will take me far less time to clean up my mess than the Cubs need to clean up whatever the hell this is
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Rice Cube,
The difference is, once you sort through all your stuff, youβre going to have what you need. (dying laughing)
andcountingQuote Reply
Iβm trying to remember a recent Cubs team less fun than this one. 2022 and 2019 are contenders, otherwise Iβd probably have to go back to 2013.
PerkinsQuote Reply
andcounting,
It’s actually kind of impressive how much stuff we still need to buy
Rice CubeQuote Reply
Rice Cube,
Ah, I know that feeling. No bueno.
andcountingQuote Reply
Perkins,
Itβs really a rough one. The feeling, nay, the assurance that no lead is safe makes even the games they lead unenjoyable.
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