That’s what Carlos Zambrano said. He did not call the players AAA players. He said the team was playing like a AAA team and I don’t know anybody who would argue with that. Singling out Carlos Marmol was probably too much, but as Koyie Hill said, he’s frustrated. This is one of those things that would be no big deal in another organization, but could end up being a very big deal in the Cubs organization.
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Love the “not a big deal” tag.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
The new submission comment is pretty good too.
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Someone should inform Quade, because that’s how he understood it.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
Does it matter that the Cubs are the Iowa Cubs at this point and are thus a AAA team?
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]Does it matter that the Cubs are the Iowa Cubs at this point and are thus a AAA team?[/quote]Why? Nothing’s wrong. Just injuries.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
The Astros keep losing. How are the Cubs supposed to get the #2 pick if that keeps happening?
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http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=6629129
With a video commentary.
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[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Someone should inform Quade, because that’s how he understood it.[/quote]I thought Quade handled it pretty well.
That’s exactly how I want that handled. The question is how is this going to be handled tomorrow.
mb21Quote Reply
My impression of Quade’s comments was that, if he wasn’t defending Z, he certainly wasn’t jumping on the bandwagon of outrage either. he did defend Marmol, which I think he has to pretty much. Other than that, he mostly said “I’m not worried about it, I’ll let the players take care of that themselves.” (approx.) That seems pretty sane for a guy who says as much stupid shit as Quade.
UrkQuote Reply
[quote name=mb21]That’s exactly how I want that handled. The question is how is this going to be handled tomorrow.[/quote]
Yeah- what he said.
UrkQuote Reply
The other thing Z has on his side this time is that everybody agrees. Even the people on BCB (even Al yellon) agree with Zambrano.
What should happen
Quade gets asked about this tomorrow and he responds with something like, “That’s behind us. We have to look forward and try to put the last week or two behind us and get back in this race.”
If Hendry is asked about, he should say something like, “These things happen. It’s done and over with. Zambrano said the team wasn’t playing well and I think everyone agrees. Now it’s time to figure out how we play better baseball.”
What will probably happen
Quade: I talked to Zambrano about it and told him he can’t say that stuff to another player. He’s apologized to Marmol and the team and now we’ll move on.
Hendry: You can’t do what Zambrano did in a Major League uniform. It’s not professional and we’ll deal with this.
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I don’t have a problem if Quade says what he did. He’s right. I’d prefer he not say anything, but if he sticks to something like that I’m OK. Hendry shouldn’t even comment on this at all.
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[quote name=Urk]My impression of Quade’s comments was that, if he wasn’t defending Z, he certainly wasn’t jumping on the bandwagon of outrage either. he did defend Marmol, which I think he has to pretty much. Other than that, he mostly said “I’m not worried about it, I’ll let the players take care of that themselves.” (approx.) That seems pretty sane for a guy who says as much stupid shit as Quade.[/quote]Agreed. Quade didn’t really say anything he shouldn’t have. He was more upset with the loss and made a point to highlight Zambrano’s strong start. he also pointed out that Marmol is pretty damn good at what he does and after a mistake everybody wants to second guess.
I don’t think anything happens to Zambrano. I even think there’s a decent chance the Cubs handle this exactly as they should.
mb21Quote Reply
Some people on BCB even encouraging a dugout brawl. Zambrano is pitching well enough at this point and the most consistent starter on the team. The fans are going to be behind him for a change.
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(dying laughing) Al even suggested Zambrano be the manager though he said he was “mostly joking.”
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The guy who quote Z’s comments, the comment turned green.
This is very interesting.
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[quote name=mb21]The guy who quote Z’s comments, the comment turned green.
This is very interesting.[/quote]Seems like the fans have finally had enough of the team being terrible, and enough of Sullivan and Gordo spending their time instigating fights rather than seeking out facts.
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[quote name=mb21]The other thing Z has on his side this time is that everybody agrees. Even the people on BCB (even Al yellon) agree with Zambrano.
What should happen
Quade gets asked about this tomorrow and he responds with something like, “That’s behind us. We have to look forward and try to put the last week or two behind us and get back in this race.”
If Hendry is asked about, he should say something like, “These things happen. It’s done and over with. Zambrano said the team wasn’t playing well and I think everyone agrees. Now it’s time to figure out how we play better baseball.”
What will probably happen
Quade: I talked to Zambrano about it and told him he can’t say that stuff to another player. He’s apologized to Marmol and the team and now we’ll move on.
Hendry: You can’t do what Zambrano did in a Major League uniform. It’s not professional and we’ll deal with this.
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I don’t have a problem if Quade says what he did. He’s right. I’d prefer he not say anything, but if he sticks to something like that I’m OK. Hendry shouldn’t even comment on this at all.[/quote]Agree 100%
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[quote name=mb21]The guy who quote Z’s comments, the comment turned green.
This is very interesting.[/quote]
Z said what all the fans have been thinking when he made the AAA remark. This team is an embarrassment, who would argue with that? I’d like to think that management could just move on and let this die but they’ve done nothing in the past to make me believe that will occur. Hendry has blasted guys in the past and made matters worse so I’m taking a wait and see approach. (dying laughing)
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[quote name=Berselius]
[/quote]Someone posted that in the BCB thread in response to Z’s comments. This is just weird.
If Z’s punished for this, the fans will be pissed because they agree with everything Zambrano said. No way he gets punished.
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[quote name=melissa]Z said what all the fans have been thinking when he made the AAA remark. This team is an embarrassment, who would argue with that? I’d like to think that management could just move on and let this die but they’ve done nothing in the past to make me believe that will occur. Hendry has blasted guys in the past and made matters worse so I’m taking a wait and see approach. (dying laughing)[/quote]The thing about the AAA remark is that you’ll hear managers say that about how their team is playing if they’re playing poorly. I think Leyland said it a few times last year alone. I’m positive Lou said it at least once. That’s a fair common remark.
It’s just so typical of the media to try and blow it out of proportion. Z shouldn’t have said what he did about the pitch to Theriot because that’s singling another out, but other than that, he didn’t say anything wrong.
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[quote name=mb21]
If Z’s punished for this, the fans will be pissed because they agree with everything Zambrano said. No way he gets punished.[/quote]
That’d be nice for a change.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
Wow. Just wow. Check out this comment from the fucking Tribune of all places.
(dying laughing)
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[quote name=mb21]Someone posted that in the BCB thread in response to Z’s comments. This is just weird.
If Z’s punished for this, the fans will be pissed because they agree with everything Zambrano said. No way he gets punished.[/quote]
The Cubs suck, but if the beat writers double down on Z they’ll still run him out of town. If Z keeps throwing 7-8 inning starts he’ll get more sympathy but the moment he has a rough outing the writers will be all over him again.
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Almost every comment here agrees with Z: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-0606-cubs-cardinals-chicago–20110605,0,765489.story
This is just odd.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]The Cubs suck, but if the beat writers double down on Z they’ll still run him out of town. If Z keeps throwing 7-8 inning starts he’ll get more sympathy but the moment he has a rough outing the writers will be all over him again.[/quote]I would have agreed before reading through the comments on the Tribune. It’s clear at this point that Quade is the whipping boy and that’s not going to change until he’s gone. After Quade is Ramirez and Soriano. Z’s pretty far down the list now.
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[quote name=mb21]The thing about the AAA remark is that you’ll hear managers say that about how their team is playing if they’re playing poorly. I think Leyland said it a few times last year alone. I’m positive Lou said it at least once. That’s a fair common remark.
It’s just so typical of the media to try and blow it out of proportion. Z shouldn’t have said what he did about the pitch to Theriot because that’s singling another out, but other than that, he didn’t say anything wrong.[/quote]
I think you’re right that the AAA remark is fairly common but not usually said by players about their team. It’s not right to bitch about throwing Theriot something other than a fastball but this is his 2nd consecutive start that Marmol has blown the save. I’m also pretty sure Z was wondering how Marmol could let the super singles hitter drive in a runner from first with a double. I wonder how many doubles R-The even has this season.
melissaQuote Reply
I still think Z gets traded because it’s the right thing to do and the Cubs will want to free up some salary. Zambrano will want out by July as well.
mb21Quote Reply
(dying laughing) R-The. He now has 10 doubles.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=mb21]I would have agreed before reading through the comments on the Tribune. It’s clear at this point that Quade is the whipping boy and that’s not going to change until he’s gone. After Quade is Ramirez and Soriano. Z’s pretty far down the list now.[/quote]
I think time will work against Z. Don’t forget Hendry in the list of guys the fans will blame.
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I think people would react a little differently towards Z if he wasn’t performing so well. He’s been pretty good and fans do appreciate his effort and desire to win. That being said, I think Hendry will try and trade him, which is the right thing to do. Unfortunately the Cubs have set a precedent that shows they like to trash guys on their way out of town. If they are smart they won’t leak their petty grievances about him or call him out about this and lower his trade value.
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[quote name=Berselius]I think time will work against Z. Don’t forget Hendry in the list of guys the fans will blame.[/quote]
Agreed and that’s why I think Hendry will trash Z at some point in order to deflect blame away from himself. He did it to Z last year and MB the year before.
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[quote name=Berselius]I think time will work against Z. Don’t forget Hendry in the list of guys the fans will blame.[/quote]If I’ve learned anything about Cubs fans in recent years it’s that they focus on one or two guys. I don’t blame Quade for the season anymore than I blamed Lou for 2009 and 2010, but the fans sure do. The fans definitely blame Hendry. We don’t even hear that much about Soriano anymore because of all the anger directed at those two.
Plus, the team is out of it so Z not performing up to their expectations won’t be as big a deal. The Cubs are going to have to significantly improve while Zambrano pitches quite poorly for a long time before he is the focus of the fans anger and frustration in my opinion.
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[quote name=melissa]Agreed and that’s why I think Hendry will trash Z at some point in order to deflect blame away from himself. He did it to Z last year and MB the year before.[/quote]And Silva this year.
mb21Quote Reply
And Sosa after 2004.
mb21Quote Reply
I also think it’s telling that two starts in a row the media has tried to start shit and no one is buying it.
mb21Quote Reply
It’s so strange to see, as MB points out, because Z could *never* perform well enough for the fans after he signed his extension (except maybe in that one start in 2008, which everyone seems to have forgotten)
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not to mention that the start after the no-hitter he was just awful and the fans went ballistic on him.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=melissa]Agreed and that’s why I think Hendry will trash Z at some point in order to deflect blame away from himself. He did it to Z last year and MB the year before.[/quote]Silva, Sosa, Mercker…
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[quote name=mb21]I also think it’s telling that two starts in a row the media has tried to start shit and no one is buying it.[/quote]Yeah, that’s good to see. I think the fans are finally seeing through Sullivan and Gordo’s bullshit. That’s encouraging.
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[quote name=mb21]Almost every comment here agrees with Z: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-0606-cubs-cardinals-chicago–20110605,0,765489.story
This is just odd.[/quote]It’s really strange, but I love seeing it.
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[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]It’s really strange, but I love seeing it.[/quote]
+288 LSA Rec’d NAMBLA
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[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Yeah, that’s good to see. I think the fans are finally seeing through Sullivan and Gordo’s bullshit. That’s encouraging.[/quote]I liked the one comment on the Tribune about how Z could do a better job at the Tribune than the beat reporters could.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=mb21]I liked the one comment on the Tribune about how Z could do a better job at the Tribune than the beat reporters could.[/quote]Yeah, that was sweet. Sullivan has spent a long time spinning this shit. Maybe it’s all starting to unravel.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
this totally backfired on sully. His comments tapped into the frustration that everybody is feeling right now.
Sweet
dylanjQuote Reply
[quote name=Paul Sackville-Baggins]Cubs twitterverse has spoken: Zambrano is a hero for calling out Marmol and his teammates. Coronation in Cincy on Monday.[/quote]
The weed of crappy journalism bears bitter fruit apparently
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i really believe this team will have the top pick next year.
And draft the 35th overall talent
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[quote name=dylanj]i really believe this team will have the top pick next year.
And draft the 35th overall talent[/quote]
Hell, I will glad that took someone as high on the board as 35th.
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tomorrow could be a bad day for me as a cub fan. If they pull some horseshit in the draft like last year i might have to take the rest of the year off.
dylanjQuote Reply
Z was right and this is great to see the shit-stirrers getting it on their faces. I really hope this helps Z end up in a better place to have a run at a ring. Heck, he could be Wild Thing 2 in Cleveland.
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I’ve been following Miles’ blog lately, and the commenters there generally blame Quade, but maybe blame Hendry more since not only is Quade’s presence Hendry’s fault, but so is Soriano’s and Rami’s continued presence. Also, while there’s lots of the usual mind-reading based ritual abuse (Ramirez doesn’t care!) there’s been a lot of complaining about how poorly this team does basic stuff: baserunning, taking walks, etc. Assuming that these guys are a fairly representative sampling, part of the reason Z is getting applauded for this is that he basically said what people have been thinking for a while now, at least since the Pirates series and probably since that big inning vs Boston.
UrkQuote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]The weed of crappy journalism bears bitter fruit apparently[/quote]Weak sauce. What a fucking wuss.
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sully and i are fighting via email
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[quote name=dylanj]sully and i are fighting via email[/quote](dying laughing), he must really have his hobbity britches in a bunch.
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i called him the Fox News of beat reporters. He called me Magoo. I smell a sitcom!
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[quote name=dylanj]i called him the Fox News of beat reporters. He called me Magoo. I smell a sitcom![/quote]Magoo? He’s more like the Sarah Palin of sportswriters.
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[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Magoo? He’s more like the replacement level college freshman of sportswriters.[/quote]
.
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Zambrano is right, but should probably be aware that 1/2 of the roster was in the minors to start the year.
If anyone should be happy about this, it’s Quade, because Z’s comments will distract the media from the real issue, which is him deciding to pitch to Pujols two days in a row in a situation where he can beat you with one swing of the bat.
He (Quade) said yesterday that he would “rethink” whether or not to pitch to Pujols, but when faced with the same situation earlier this afternoon, he went ahead and did it anyway.
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Here’s Miles’s writeup
http://dailyherald.com/article/20110605/sports/706059828/
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[quote name=dylanj]i really believe this team will have the top pick next year.
And draft the 35th overall talent[/quote]It’s unlikely either of those happen. First, they’re not likely to win the fewest games in MLB. Second, they’re not likely to draft someone that high next year. (dying laughing)
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]Here’s Miles’s writeup
http://dailyherald.com/article/20110605/sports/706059828/%5B/quote%5DSully and Miles are no longer friends. (dying laughing)
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That was funny. As I’ve said here though, I’d have pitched to Pujols. Both days. The only batter I’m walking to lead off an inning is 1999-2004 Barry Bonds and even then I’d only do it if a righty was on the mound and only consider it in the 9th or later.
Walk Pujols and the Cardinals run expectancy is about .94 runs. You’re giving them a run if you walk Pujols.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=mb21]It’s unlikely either of those happen. First, they’re not likely to win the fewest games in MLB. Second, they’re not likely to draft someone that high next year. (dying laughing)[/quote]
Minnesota and Houston are pretty bad. But Cubs are only 1.5 games up on Houston and Minnesota is on a mini-tear with Mauer set to come back in a month or so as he’s getting ready for a rehab assignment. It can happen!
But agreed that the Cubs would fuck the pick up anyway.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
This is the best day in Cubsville in quite some time. (dying laughing)
AndCountingQuote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]Here’s Miles’s writeup
http://dailyherald.com/article/20110605/sports/706059828/%5B/quote%5DGood for Bruce!
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I think Z needs to break a bat every day that the Cubs loose. I predict 15 more broken bats.
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I love that this whole thing has blown up in Sullivan’s face. He looks like a huge asswipe, and in print no less.
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[quote name=AndCounting]This is the best day in Cubsville in quite some time. (dying laughing)[/quote]It’s been entertaining and awfully surprising. It’s so nice to see so many people see Sullivan for what he is.
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[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]I love that this whole thing has blow up in Sullivan’s face. He looks like a huge asswipe, and in print no less.[/quote]That’s just a bonus. I realized earlier tonight the whole stink about Z’s broken bat was really just the media. They tried last week and tried again and failed both times. I love it.
Let’s not forget HJE will have Sully’s back. (dying laughing)
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What did Sullivan say that has everyone in an uproar? I didn’t see anything too inflammatory in his article.
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What I like about Z’s comments is that he says “We play like a AAA team.” He doesn’t say “They play like a AAA team.” He includes himself in it. Anybody getting on Z for that comment can’t read. He clearly said “we” as in he and every other player on the team are playing like a AAA team. And he’s right.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=shadasrevenge]What did Sullivan say that has everyone in an uproar? I didn’t see anything too inflammatory in his article.[/quote]He started this whole thing by prodding Z postgame, then tried to get a Twitter uproar started, then the lede is his article basically intimated that Z would be driven out of town.
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[quote name=shadasrevenge]What did Sullivan say that has everyone in an uproar? I didn’t see anything too inflammatory in his article.[/quote]Nothing too inflammatory, but he was clearly trying to get people upset at Zambrano. He’s done this before. He’s done this quite often actually. Not just with Zambrano either. Most of the time the readers just happen to agree with him and it spins out of control. It’s just so nice to see the readers not falling for it and basically telling Sully he’s a moron. It’s been needed to be said for years now.
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[quote name=mb21]What I like about Z’s comments is that he says “We play like a AAA team.” He doesn’t say “They play like a AAA team.” He includes himself in it. Anybody getting on Z for that comment can’t read. He clearly said “we” as in he and every other player on the team are playing like a AAA team. And he’s right.[/quote]Yeah, but Sullivan isn’t interested in facts, or what people actually said. He’s only interested in servicing his pathetic narrative about Z being a bad teammate and a hotheaded asshole.
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And last week after Marmol allowed 100 runs in the 9th inning, the entire god damn article was about Z breaking a bat. And then Marmol. Z pitched a great game (last time and this time).
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[quote name=mb21]Nothing too inflammatory, but he was clearly trying to get people upset at Zambrano. He’s done this before. He’s done this quite often actually. Not just with Zambrano either. Most of the time the readers just happen to agree with him and it spins out of control. It’s just so nice to see the readers not falling for it and basically telling Sully he’s a moron. It’s been needed to be said for years now.[/quote]Right. So far, Sullivan has done this with Prior, MB, and Z.
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[quote name=AndCounting]This is the best day in Cubsville in quite some time. (dying laughing)[/quote]
That could inspire someone to make a parody of “How the Grinch Stole Christmas”…
Every Cubs fan in Cubsville liked Zambrano a lot…
But the Hobbit, who lived just north of Cubsville, did not!
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[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Yeah, but Sullivan isn’t interested in facts, or what people actually said. He’s only interested in servicing his pathetic narrative about Z being a bad teammate and a hotheaded asshole.[/quote]Agreed, but that’s why I quoted it here. It needs to be quoted and explained. Much to my surprise though, I was wrong. The fans saw right through it. Good for them.
When I wrote this I was certain the fans would be all over him so i wanted to highlight that one comment. At first Sully said that Z called the players AAA players, which he didn’t do.
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[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Right. So far, Sullivan has done this with Prior, MB, and Z.[/quote]Probably others, but MB and Z are the ones I remember the most.
mb21Quote Reply
After I finish editing my manuscript I’m going to snag my son’s copy of the Grinch and fix up a parody…
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]That could inspire someone to make a parody of “How the Grinch Stole Christmas”…
Every Cubs fan in Cubsville liked Zambrano a lot…
But the Hobbit, who lived just north of Cubsville, did not
(dying laughing)
(dying laughing)
AndCountingQuote Reply
I just hate it when the media tries to create the story. Sullivan has made a career out of doing that and it’s bullshit. Tell us what happened in a way that isn’t obviously said to influence our opinion. If Sullivan did that, i’d have no problem with him. He’s not capable of doing that.
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[quote name=Rice Cube]After I finish editing my manuscript I’m going to snag my son’s copy of the Grinch and fix up a parody…[/quote]Couldn’t it be a tragedy? (dying laughing)
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=mb21]I just hate it when the media tries to create the story. Sullivan has made a career out of doing that and it’s bullshit. Tell us what happened in a way that isn’t obviously said to influence our opinion. If Sullivan did that, i’d have no problem with him. He’s not capable of doing that.[/quote]It’s a sign of a weak and insecure writer. I see this in freshman papers all the time. And even most of them are better at giving a fair account of their interlocutors’ claims that Sullivan is. (dying laughing)
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[quote name=Rice Cube]After I finish editing my manuscript I’m going to snag my son’s copy of the Grinch and fix up a parody…[/quote]You better ask HJE’s permission first.
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[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]You better ask HJE’s permission first.[/quote]
They did one already?
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[quote name=Rice Cube]They did one already?[/quote](dying laughing), no, Sullivan is their GOOD FRIEND, and when we started paddling his little hobbit ass for all the fucking lies and misinformation he spreads with his milquetoast narratives, they got pissed at us and Aisle 424, leading to Sullivan showing up at Kitty O’Sheas at a Cubs blogger meet-up looking for us and telling one of the HJE regulars that he wanted to kick our asses. (dying laughing) (dying laughing) (dying laughing)
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[quote name=mb21]I just hate it when the media tries to create the story. Sullivan has made a career out of doing that and it’s bullshit. Tell us what happened in a way that isn’t obviously said to influence our opinion. If Sullivan did that, i’d have no problem with him. He’s not capable of doing that.[/quote]I would think that the story after today’s game would be that the Cubs aren’t good. It takes some kind of dedicated propagandist to tell a different story.
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[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder](dying laughing), no, Sullivan is their GOOD FRIEND, and when we started paddling his little hobbit ass for all the fucking lies and misinformation he spreads with his milquetoast narratives, they got pissed at us and Aisle 424.[/quote]
Oh, well I don’t know him so I really don’t give a shit 😉
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=mb21]Couldn’t it be a tragedy? (dying laughing)[/quote]
It might just be. But I think I’ll make sure there’s a happy ending for Z.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
I love that what’s getting lost in all of this is Zambrano saying Theriot can’t hit a fastball.
AndCountingQuote Reply
[quote name=AndCounting]I would think that the story after today’s game would be that the Cubs aren’t good. It takes some kind of dedicated propagandist to tell a different story.[/quote]He wrote 16 paragraphs in his story about Z’s blow-up and one about it being Z’s second-straight solid start.
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[quote name=AndCounting]I love that what’s getting lost in all of this is Zambrano saying Theriot can’t hit a fastball.[/quote]That was awesome. (dying laughing)
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=mb21]What I like about Z’s comments is that he says “We play like a AAA team.” He doesn’t say “They play like a AAA team.” He includes himself in it. Anybody getting on Z for that comment can’t read. He clearly said “we” as in he and every other player on the team are playing like a AAA team. And he’s right.[/quote]
yeah, exactly right. According to Muskat he said “We played…” which is even more accurate, as this team has played like an MLB team for at least a few innings at a time this season.
UrkQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder](dying laughing), no, Sullivan is their GOOD FRIEND, and when we started paddling his little hobbit ass for all the fucking lies and misinformation he spreads with his milquetoast narratives, they got pissed at us and Aisle 424, leading to Sullivan showing up at Kitty O’Sheas at a Cubs blogger meet-up looking for us and telling one of the HJE regulars that he wanted to kick our asses. (dying laughing) (dying laughing) (dying laughing)[/quote]
Sully obviously hasn’t seen the picture of you guys in your 3 Wolf Moon shirts or he would know, you’re not the kind of bloggers to be messed with. (dying laughing)
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[quote name=melissa]Sully obviously hasn’t seen the picture of you guys in your 3 Wolf Moon shirts or he would know, you’re not the kind of bloggers to be messed with. (dying laughing)[/quote](dying laughing)
(dying laughing)
(dying laughing)
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
Z audio:
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/videobeta/?watchId=29fb0e95-b6dc-4468-823b-d39a38bd88fe
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=AndCounting]I would think that the story after today’s game would be that the Cubs aren’t good. It takes some kind of dedicated propagandist to tell a different story.[/quote](dying laughing)
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[quote name=mb21]That was funny. As I’ve said here though, I’d have pitched to Pujols. Both days. The only batter I’m walking to lead off an inning is 1999-2004 Barry Bonds and even then I’d only do it if a righty was on the mound and only consider it in the 9th or later.
Walk Pujols and the Cardinals run expectancy is about .94 runs. You’re giving them a run if you walk Pujols.[/quote]
Even Brenly said, at the end of the telecast “you can’t put the winning run on base in a tie ballgame.” And I understand that the situational percentages support this. But I’m not sure that those situational percentages take Pujols-vs-a-crappy-reliever into account. Maybe they do, and I can see the sense in it.
Yesterday seems a little different to me tho. there was already a runner on, right? so if you put Pujols on base then, he’s not going to score unless he screams down the basepaths and goes right through the other runner before that runner makes it home, splattering him all over the field.
UrkQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]Z audio:
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/videobeta/?watchId=29fb0e95-b6dc-4468-823b-d39a38bd88fe%5B/quote%5D“We should know Theriot is not a good fastball hitter.”
Once again, he’s not singling anyone out. It may seem like it since Marmol gave up the hit, but he’s talking about himself as if he’s a part of a team. Isn’t that what everybody has complained about for a decade? (dying laughing)
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I didn’t see the game, but Z’s specific complaint seems rather silly to me. Marmol has 2 pitches. He’s effective because he mixes them. He can’t just say, “This guy isn’t as good against this one pitch, so I’ll just throw that.”
ACTQuote Reply
[quote name=ACT]He can’t just say, “This guy isn’t as good against this one pitch, so I’ll just throw that.”[/quote]
Adolfo Soriano disagrees (dying laughing)
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Instead of .94 run expectancy, it’s probably 1.05 or something like that if you walk Pujols. Keep in mind that the shitty reliever is still in the game and he’s still a shitty reliever.
The overwhelming majority of the time Pujols isn’t going to hit a home run. You take your chances there and you accept that if you get beat by Pujols you got beat by an awesome ballplayer.
What happens if we walk Pujols and then Jay gets him to 2nd somehow. Craig gets him to 3rd and then Schumaker singles to win the game? I’d feel a lot worse having lost because we walked Pujols and let Schumaker beat us.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=ACT]I didn’t see the game, but Z’s specific complaint seems rather silly to me. Marmol has 2 pitches. He’s effective because he mixes them. He can’t just say, “This guy isn’t as good against this one pitch, so I’ll just throw that.”[/quote]Actually, with some guys, you can. Theriot’s not going to burn you even if you make a mistake with the FB. But you hang a breaking ball, and he can get the barrel on it. I think Z’s point was, with 2 strikes, you throw the pitch you know the guy has the most trouble with and force him to try and hit it. Challenge him. No need to get cute with Ryan fucking Theriot.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=ACT]I didn’t see the game, but Z’s specific complaint seems rather silly to me. Marmol has 2 pitches. He’s effective because he mixes them. He can’t just say, “This guy isn’t as good against this one pitch, so I’ll just throw that.”[/quote]I agree he shouldn’t have said what he did about that pitch. The rest of though is spot on.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=ACT]I didn’t see the game, but Z’s specific complaint seems rather silly to me. Marmol has 2 pitches. He’s effective because he mixes them. He can’t just say, “This guy isn’t as good against this one pitch, so I’ll just throw that.”[/quote]
Hilly put down the 1 for fastball and Marmol shook him off. Theriot said he was looking for the slider. Marmol’s fastball isn’t shitty and I bet Theriot wouldn’t have pulled it into the left field corner, allowing the slow as molasses runner to score from first. I agree with Z that he should have went after Theriot’s weakness. Having said all that it was throwing Marmol under the bus and probably not the thing to say.
melissaQuote Reply
Yeah I definitely have no problem with venting about the general crappiness of the team, especially since he understandably feels he deserved a W.
ACTQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Actually, with some guys, you can. Theriot’s not going to burn you even if you make a mistake with the FB. But you hang a breaking ball, and he can get the barrel on it. I think Z’s point was, with 2 strikes, you throw the pitch you know the guy has the most trouble with and force him to try and hit it. Challenge him. No need to get cute with Ryan fucking Theriot.[/quote]I’m pretty sure any hitter can get around on a fastball if he knows it’s coming. The fastball is as good a pitch as it is because the batter isn’t sure it’s coming. If Theriot knew Marmol was throwing nothing but fastballs there’s a very good chance the game is tied anyway.
I think the idea that so and so can’t hit a fastball is a bit crazy anyway. Every player can hit a fastball. If you can’t hit a fastball, you don’t move past low A. It’s doubtful you’d even be drafted.
But Z was frustrated as Hill said and he was second guessing Marmol. It happens.
mb21Quote Reply
Has anyone gone back through the Pitch F/X data to see how Z pitched Theriot today? Theriot was 0-4 before he smoked that slider.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
From what the radio guys said, Marmol threw two sliders that didn’t slide before that. He got Berkman on three awesome sliders the day before, but if his slider wasn’t working, he should have given Ryan the heat, right? Marmol seemed stubborn, sticking to his slider in that case, so it seemed like a bad call, maybe that’s all Z meant by that. I mean the team just lost a close game leading to second consecutive sweep, how can the management really fault him for being angry?
JoshQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Has anyone gone back through the Pitch F/X data to see how Z pitched Theriot today? Theriot was 0-4 before he smoked that slider.[/quote]1st plate appearance: 4-seamer, 3 sinking fastballs
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2nd PA: 2 4-seamers, changeup
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3rd PA: 4-seamer
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4th PA: 3 sinking fastballs, 4-seamer
Total: 6 sinkers, 4 4-seamers, changeup
So Zambrano had no problem throwing Theriot fastballs today. (dying laughing)
mb21Quote Reply
So 10 fastballs and 1 offspeed pitch. I think I’ll trust Z’s judgment on this one. (dying laughing)
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=mb21]4th PA: 3 sinking fastballs, 4-seamer
Total: 6 sinkers, 4 4-seamers, changeup
So Zambrano had no problem throwing Theriot fastballs today. (dying laughing)[/quote]No kidding. Here it is, hit it, tough guy. (dying laughing)
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[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]So 7 fastballs and 1 offspeed pitch. I think I’ll trust Z’s judgment on this one. (dying laughing)[/quote]To play devil’s advocate here, game on the line, Marmol’s best pitch is obviously his slider, do you want him throwing Theriot a pitch that isn’t his best or going after him with the best? Let’s keep in mind that few pitchers (if any at all) have been as difficult to hit as Marmol has been in his career as a reliever. I trust Zambrano to throw the pitches he thinks he needs to throw to get the batter out, but I also trust marmol to throw the pitches he thinks he needs to. He’s earned it.
mb21Quote Reply
That being said, obviously the pre-game discussion with the pitchers was about throwing Theriot fastballs. Z threw him 6 4seam fastball, 4 2seam fastballs and a changeup. So when pitchers and catchers got together it’s obvious the discussion with Theriot was throw fastballs.
Still, I trust Marmol.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=mb21]That being said, obviously the pre-game discussion with the pitchers was about throwing Theriot fastballs. Z threw him 6 4seam fastball, 4 2seam fastballs and a changeup. So when pitchers and catchers got together it’s obvious the discussion with Theriot was throw fastballs.
Still, I trust Marmol.[/quote]I suppose that’s fair. But now imagine that you’re Z and you’ve just watched Marmol’s hanging sliders cost you a W after pitching two straight gems. (dying laughing)
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]I suppose that’s fair. But now imagine that you’re Z and you’ve just watched Marmol’s hanging sliders cost you a W after pitching two straight gems. (dying laughing)[/quote]
Last year’s angry Z would have broke his bat in half and stabbed Marmol with the shrapnel.
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[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]I suppose that’s fair. But now imagine that you’re Z and you’ve just watched Marmol’s hanging sliders cost you a W after pitching two straight gems. (dying laughing)[/quote]Not only that, but just the frustration from the the team’s performance overall. I don’t blame Z. I think he should have left Marmol out of it or that sequence, but I don’t really care. Marmol’s an adult. He can take care of himself and I imagine he’ll talk about his pitch selection tomorrow. I understand where Z is coming from. I’m surprised we haven’t heard players lash out before this.
mb21Quote Reply
I think also included in his anger is that the defense was heavily adjusted to Theriot not being able to pull his fastball.
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We have a ‘mercurial’ usage sighting
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-0606-haugh-zambrano–20110605,0,6141835.column?ddd
BerseliusQuote Reply
[quote name=Bubba Biscuit]I think also included in his anger is that the defense was heavily adjusted to Theriot not being able to pull his fastball.[/quote]
Very good point, left fielder was in East St. Louis.
melissaQuote Reply
[quote name=Bubba Biscuit]I think also included in his anger is that the defense was heavily adjusted to Theriot not being able to pull his fastball.[/quote]Hadn’t considered that, but good point. Colvin had to run from Rolla to get to Theriot’s double.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]We have a ‘mercurial’ usage sighting
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-0606-haugh-zambrano–20110605,0,6141835.column?ddd%5B/quote%5D
Haugh stepping up to call for the suspension/trade and cue the Hendry public admonishment. He’s in deep draft prep, why pickup the phone?
melissaQuote Reply
[quote name=melissa]Haugh stepping up to call for the suspension/trade and cue the Hendry public admonishment. He’s in deep draft prep, why pickup the phone?[/quote]
It’s not like the Cubs have to worry about the top guy they want to pick going before them.
BerseliusQuote Reply
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&page=wojciechowski/110605&sportCat=mlb
Oy gevalt!
ACTQuote Reply
What is the world coming to when the comments on Espn.com are the voice of reason?
ACTQuote Reply
[quote name=melissa]Haugh stepping up to call for the suspension/trade and cue the Hendry public admonishment. He’s in deep draft prep, why pickup the phone?[/quote]David Haugh is entirely clueless. I am surprised he has survived to adulthood.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
Fuck Wojciechowski. Z is BAMF.
ZappBranniganQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]David Haugh is entirely clueless. I am surprised he has survived to adulthood.[/quote]Haugh got totally slapped down in his comments, something like 32 -2 against. Hilarious, good luck with your column.
Suburban kidQuote Reply
David Haugh needs to DIAF. I hate the Tribune.
MishQuote Reply
I can make spaghetti.
Brian JohnsonQuote Reply
Good for Rozner he is saying suspension is unwarranted and what Z said was true. He and Hanley are on the radio and they’re agreeing about Haugh’s column being ridiculous.
melissaQuote Reply
[quote name=melissa]Good for Rozner he is saying suspension is unwarranted and what Z said was true. He and Hanley are on the radio and they’re agreeing about Haugh’s column being ridiculous.[/quote]
I caught a little around 6 AM; couldn’t tell who it was with Hanley but I was pleased to see neither of them jumping on the drive-Z-out-of-town train that Haugh and Sullivan are conducting.
MishQuote Reply
[quote name=melissa]Good for Rozner he is saying suspension is unwarranted and what Z said was true. He and Hanley are on the radio and they’re agreeing about Haugh’s column being ridiculous.[/quote]Everybody agrees: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-110605-bigz-poll,0,3116106,post.poll
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=mb21]Everybody agrees: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-110605-bigz-poll,0,3116106,post.poll%5B/quote%5D
Can’t trust this until those results are scientific. (dying laughing)
MishQuote Reply
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Apparently once per minute.
Dr. Aneus TaintQuote Reply
Anyone get an email from PSN offering a free game download in thanks for their network getting hacked?
MishQuote Reply
Gordo was also on the radio and said it wasn’t a “typical” Z meltdown or tirade. Said Z seemed more “premeditated”
In what he said. He also said Z was right but I don’t know if he took that same tone in print.
melissaQuote Reply
I wrote something…let me know if the link don’t work.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/world-series-dreaming/how-the-media-paints-zambrano/215945668438192
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=Mish]Anyone get an email from PSN offering a free game download in thanks for their network getting hacked?[/quote]Is that what that was? I just deleted it.
Suburban kidQuote Reply
Holy shit even Stone said Z shouldn’t be suspended. He seems more concerned with bashing former draft picks even though he loves Wilken. He thinks Cubs have player development problem.
melissaQuote Reply
[quote name=melissa] He thinks Cubs have player development problem.[/quote]
Gee, y’think?
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]I wrote something…let me know if the link don’t work.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/world-series-dreaming/how-the-media-paints-zambrano/215945668438192%5B/quote%5DI only scanned it (“too long, didn’t read”), but I liked the closing paragraph. (dying laughing)
.
Suburban kidQuote Reply
[quote name=Suburban kid].[/quote]
Just read the Dr. Seuss part then (dying laughing)
Rice CubeQuote Reply
That was pretty awesome Rice, good work with the poem.
I’m also assuming there will be an article from the Heckler along the lines of “Zambrano publicly apologizes to all AAA teams for insult in tirade against Cubs.”
MishQuote Reply
[quote name=Mish]Anyone get an email from PSN offering a free game download in thanks for their network getting hacked?[/quote]
Aye, they announced that they were going to do this a while ago. I remember hearing good things about Little Big Planet (one of the free download options) a while back.
BerseliusQuote Reply
[quote name=melissa]Holy shit even Former Playgirl model Stone said Z shouldn’t be suspended. He seems more concerned with bashing former draft picks even though he loves Wilken. He thinks Cubs have player development problem.[/quote]
Gotta get the nomenclature right. -1
BerseliusQuote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]Aye, they announced that they were going to do this a while ago. I remember hearing good things about Little Big Planet (one of the free download options) a while back.[/quote]
I haven’t been keeping up since I don’t use PSN all that much but of the games that they listed, this is #1 on my list (and I might not even play it all that much). Will have to look at reviews for the other titles to figure out which is worth getting.
MishQuote Reply
Oracle of Baseball at BRef is fully armed and operational again.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/oracle/link.cgi?n1=Joe+Tinker&n2=Starlin+Castro
MishQuote Reply
Picture taken from inside the clubhouse after yesterday’s loss:
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[quote name=Jame Gumb]
[/quote](dying laughing) wtf
jtsunamiQuote Reply
[quote name=jtsunami]Picture taken from inside the clubhouse after yesterday’s loss:
[/quote]
Looks like Koyie had been using his table saw again.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]Gotta get the nomenclature right. -1[/quote]
Thank you, I’ll be skipping dinner tonight and I’m publicly apologizing to all other people who comment on the interwebz. I’ve let you all down. I want to let the powers that be here at OBV know that I will invoke my no trade clause if you attempt to trade me to BCB.
melissaQuote Reply
[quote name=jtsunami](dying laughing) wtf[/quote]
That’s the place Bob Stoops’ and Landry Jones’ heads will be in a few months.
Dr. Aneus TaintQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]I wrote something…let me know if the link don’t work.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/world-series-dreaming/how-the-media-paints-zambrano/215945668438192%5B/quote%5DThat's fantastic.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=Mish]Oracle of Baseball at BRef is fully armed and operational again.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/oracle/link.cgi?n1=Joe+Tinker&n2=Starlin+Castro%5B/quote%5DI didn’t know it was partly armed and not operational.
mb21Quote Reply
I got the thing from the PSN, but nothing they offered there interested me.
mb21Quote Reply
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/06/carlos-zambrano-calls-the-cubs-embarrassing/
(dying laughing)
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I just noticed that the commenters on ESPN, mlb.com and the Tribune are more intelligent than the ones over on Craig’s site these days. (dying laughing)
mb21Quote Reply
A lot of folks still harping on Z calling out Marmol (which I agree he shouldn’t have done even if it was veiled) but the WPA needle kind of shows who gets at least some of the blame.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
mb, what’s the reason for having a .net domain as opposed to .com?
jtsunamiQuote Reply
This whole “Z calls out Marmol” stuff seems pretty overblown. Seeing it phrased the way it has been you’d think Z said Marmol sucks and told him to fuck off for blowing his precious W.
BerseliusQuote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]This whole “Z calls out Marmol” stuff seems pretty overblown. Seeing it phrased the way it has been you’d think Z said Marmol sucks and told him to fuck off for blowing his precious W.[/quote]
Someone on my facebook feed made the point that in the first Marmol bedshitting, Z actually reached out and comforted Marmol. After this second one, I definitely don’t think Z called Marmol out by name but just by process of association, the media had their story.
I don’t understand how Z can be the bad guy in all this. He pitched 7 solid innings to keep the Cubs in the lead. Why shouldn’t he be angry? And the thing is, he didn’t even sound that angry in the audio clip. If that’s angry Z I don’t want to see what happens when he really does Hulk out.
No wait, yes I do. Die, Gatorade machine!
Rice CubeQuote Reply
Video this time:
http://www.csnchicago.com/06/05/11/Pujols-does-it-again-while-Zambrano-rips/landing_cubs_loud3r.html?blockID=532641&feedID=661
Sorry if it’s been shared before. First time I’ve seen it.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
If Lindor is available, he’s the quintessential letdown pick for CHC. If he’s not, look for some 5th rounder that’s rumored to go before CHC’s second pick.
Dr. Aneus TaintQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]Video this time:
http://www.csnchicago.com/06/05/11/Pujols-does-it-again-while-Zambrano-rips/landing_cubs_loud3r.html?blockID=532641&feedID=661
Sorry if it’s been shared before. First time I’ve seen it.[/quote]Don’t let it happen again.
And, thanks.
Suburban kidQuote Reply
RC, that post is WIN WIN WIN. Fucking Excellent.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
He doesn’t have that much of a scowl and didn’t really raise his voice. Sounds a bit abrupt and terse but not that angry. And I definitely don’t think he meant to call out Marmol but he was correct in the fact that the momentum shifted.
I just don’t see how you can get 16+ paragraphs of hate per writer out of that one minute clip.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
Good stuff on FB, RC. Well done.
cwolfQuote Reply
I still think it’s hilarious that Z threw Theriot 10 fastballs and then lets everyone know Theriot can’t hit fastballs.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
So it’s the day of the draft and we’re talking about Zambrano and Marmol?
Dr. Aneus TaintQuote Reply
[quote name=Jame Gumb]If Lindor is available, he’s the quintessential letdown pick for CHC. If he’s not, look for some 5th rounder that’s rumored to go before CHC’s second pick.[/quote]
If I were the other 29 teams, I’d start floating rumors taht they highly value certain4th and 5th round talents just to prevent the Cubs from drafting like a normal team (not that they need much help).
MishQuote Reply
[quote name=Jame Gumb]So it’s the day of the draft and we’re talking about Zambrano and Marmol?[/quote]
The Cubs couldn’t ask for a better draft day gift. Obscure their surely-awful selection with petty clubhouse BS.
MishQuote Reply
when is mayo going to post a Paul Sullivan has a problem?
dylanjQuote Reply
Pirates are apparently gung ho on Gerrit Cole.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=dylanj]when is mayo going to post a Paul Sullivan has a problem?[/quote]As soon as I finish my last seminar paper, i.e. around 2:30 tomorrow morning. (dying laughing)
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]Pirates are apparently gung ho on Gerrit Cole.[/quote]That’s perverse.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
paul ended our email fight by saying i am clueless for suggesting he has a problem with Z
dylanjQuote Reply
[quote name=jtsunami]mb, what’s the reason for having a .net domain as opposed to .com?[/quote]When we were talking about this site and came up with a name and a domain, the .com one was taken. I’ve always been partial to .net anyway. Another Cubs Blog was anothercubsblog.net and on one time (maybe even still) owned anothercubsblog.com and obviously own anothercubsblog.org (where the 2005-2009 archives are now). .com stands for commercial and I never thought of ACB as a commercial site. I’m actually kind of surprised that .com rules the domain world, but I guess it’s an example of people just doing what people before them did.
It doesn’t matter. Like I said, if .com was available this one would be .com. My personal preference is .net, but it’s not a big deal.
Some people will say there’s a difference when it comes to search results, but I have a very hard time believing that. Others say it’s not true. If you search Cubs in google in a clean browser the typical hits are at the top. BCB is on page 3 and ACB is the next Cubs blog and it’s at the beginning of page 5.
Why are you asking?
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=dylanj]paul ended our email fight by saying i am clueless for suggesting he has a problem with Z[/quote]
Rice CubeQuote Reply
(dying laughing) @ Wayne Rooney’s hair transplant.
Suburban kidQuote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]This whole “Z calls out Marmol” stuff seems pretty overblown. Seeing it phrased the way it has been you’d think Z said Marmol sucks and told him to fuck off for blowing his precious W.[/quote]He also kicked Marmol’s puppy.
mb21Quote Reply
So I noticed that there still are no analyses of why Tyler Colvin was leaving left field unmanned…
Rice CubeQuote Reply
does anyone here have much hope for this LeSpellcheck guy? He doesnt seem like much
dylanjQuote Reply
[quote name=Mish]If I were the other 29 teams, I’d start floating rumors taht they highly value certain4th and 5th round talents just to prevent the Cubs from drafting like a normal team (not that they need much help).[/quote]
The problem is that it’s impossible to determine which mid-round spare CHC is targetting.
Dr. Aneus TaintQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]So I noticed that there still are no analyses of why Tyler Colvin was leaving left field unmanned…[/quote]I don’t know, but I know someone pointed this out already: the defense was shaded toward the other way. Throwing a fastball was probably the best pitch in that situation. Oh well.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]So I noticed that there still are no analyses of why Tyler Colvin was leaving left field unmanned…[/quote]They were playing Theriot to hit to the opposite field. Clearly it was way too big of a shift.
Actually, I can see it if they were going to throw all fastballs, but…
Suburban kidQuote Reply
[quote name=dylanj]paul ended our email fight by saying i am clueless for suggesting he has a problem with Z[/quote]Prove him wrong. Shut you right up.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Suburban kid](dying laughing) @ Wayne Rooney’s hair transplant.[/quote]It’s awful. What an ass.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=mb21]I don’t know, but I know someone pointed this out already: the defense was shaded toward the other way. Throwing a fastball was probably the best pitch in that situation. Oh well.[/quote][quote name=Suburban kid]They were playing Theriot to hit to the opposite field. Clearly it was way too big of a shift.
Actually, I can see it if they were going to throw all fastballs, but…[/quote]
I guess this gets into game theory, but why have that much of an overshift if Tony Campana is capable of warp speed? Unfortunately I guess you can’t exactly signal the outfield to un-shift prior to the pitch because then Theriot pretty much knows it won’t be a fastball…
I think I’m more upset about this than normal because A) Z got screwed out of a win again and B) the media circus ensued because of it.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=dylanj]does anyone here have much hope for this LeSpellcheck guy? He doesnt seem like much[/quote]He’s going to have to get in the cage with Rudy. His swing is way too long. He’ll get hammered with 2 seamers on the inner third until he shortens up that swing. Right now, he strides short, swings long, and pulls his head off the ball.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
As promised, here’s a link to video of Rickett’s speech on Sat for the Thanks for Letting Us Fleece You Day. The speech was unremarkable, except for an odd reference to Super Sam Fuld. I’m not sure Tom is aware that Fuld plays for another organization (dying laughing)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce5EdJsGDbY
WenningtonsGorillaCockQuote Reply
[quote name=dylanj] LeSpellcheck [/quote]
(dying laughing)
(dying laughing)
BerseliusQuote Reply
[quote name=Jame Gumb]The problem is that it’s impossible to determine which mid-round spare CHC is targetting.[/quote]
We can probably narrow it down to middle relief prospects.
BerseliusQuote Reply
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Au2AwJYyip6gPqZ15bBhPmoRvLYF?slug=jp-passan_10_degrees_late_round_draft_finds_060611
The draft is a crapshoot anyway. Just wait until the 30th round and hope for dynamite.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
Fucking crap.
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/4680/time-for-zambrano-to-move-on
Rice CubeQuote Reply
Isn’t it strange to include Bautista above ^^^ given how it took to his age 29 season before he became a truly good player?
MishQuote Reply
So on the right side we have:
Miles
Hanley
Rozner
And the wrong:
Sullivan
Haugh
Wojewski
Levine
Who else?
MishQuote Reply
Why is Hendry even talking to these guys? Why can the fans realize these guys are just trying to instigate shit and drive Z out of town, while Hendry cannot? And why isn’t Hendry prepping for the draft? And why can Hendry not talk about shit like this with tossing a player under the bus?
I find it highly ironic that Hendry would decry Z as a bad teammate for trashing Marmol, while Hendry is trashing Z.
I’ve had it. HENDRY OUT.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
I saw that and wondered why the fuck Hanley Ramirez had anything to say about this, before I remembered (dying laughing)
BerseliusQuote Reply
I’m serious. You may now count me in the “fire Hendry” camp.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
Were they watching the same interview I was? Z didn’t blow up. He wasn’t even that angry. WTF?
Rice CubeQuote Reply
I was really surprised when I listened to the audio given that the words “blow-up,” “tantrum,” and “yelled” have been making the rounds. I actually had to turn up my speakers because Z was so soft-spoken. That was a very controlled, calm (and necessary) criticism of a bad team.
Why people the idiot hack journalists like Sullivan and Woj are so up in arms about it is completely beyond me.
ZappBranniganQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]Were they watching the same interview I was? Z didn’t blow up. He wasn’t even that angry. WTF?[/quote]RC, he looked in the direction of Marmol’s locker. Everyone knows this.
Suburban kidQuote Reply
Who did Hendry talk to besides Haugh?
Suburban kidQuote Reply
[quote name=Suburban kid]Who did Hendry talk to besides Haugh?[/quote]Apparently, Levine.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=ZappBrannigan]I was really surprised when I listened to the audio given that the words “blow-up,” “tantrum,” and “yelled” have been making the rounds. I actually had to turn up my speakers because Z was so soft-spoken. That was a very controlled, calm (and necessary) criticism of a bad team.
Why people the idiot hack journalists like Sullivan and Woj are so up in arms about it is completely beyond me.[/quote]Because they want Z out of town.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Suburban kid]RC, he looked in the direction of Marmol’s locker. Everyone knows this.[/quote]
I propose that WGC or any other season ticket holder, the next time Ricketts holds a “tour the facilities” event, should map the locker room so we can determine exactly which locker Z was looking at (dying laughing)
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]It’s awful. What an ass.[/quote]It looks exactly the same as his real hair five years ago–i.e., still half bald. I don’t know, but if I’m going to have a hair transplant, I’m going to cover ALL my head.
Suburban kidQuote Reply
[quote name=Mish]So on the right side we have:
Miles
Hanley
Rozner
And the wrong:
Sullivan
Haugh
Wojewski
Levine
Who else?[/quote]
You forgot FPM Steve Stone and Brenly on Z’s side. And Poland.
BerseliusQuote Reply
I think Muskat was comparatively neutral in her blog but she did say Z spoke loudly and clearly and that the words added to a bad mood.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
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BerseliusQuote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]You forgot FPM Steve Stone and Brenly on Z’s side. And Poland.[/quote]
Silvy was anti-Z this morning. I couldn’t tell for sure where Waddle was, but I think he was pro since he declared “Trade him to the Reds!” and he’s a Cincinnati guy.
Aisle424Quote Reply