Sho He the Money

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That’s a lot of reading.

I guess if you want to you can still listen to the Dreamcast we did before we found out about this crazy deferral plan. Or don’t, I can’t tell you what to do.

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  1. andcounting

    In the end, I think the arm injury really did cost him a lot of money. And this may be why his camp was so insistent on confidentiality. If the whole thing was really a ploy to make a contract work with LA, other so-called suitors ma have withdrawn knowing he was negotiating in bad faith.

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  2. dmick89

    andcounting,

    If I wanted to win a championship, I’d probably sign with the Dodgers. If I really wanted to win a championship, I’d offer to defer most of my salary and sign with the Dodgers. I could be wrong, but I think it just boils down to that. Bonus points for not having to move.

    I don’t understand the whole secrecy thing. Don’t think I ever will, but you’re probably right that the injury was a big factor.

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    Rice Cube

    I mean…he couldn’t exactly hide the injury, that was disclosed a while back, and he would have had to pass a physical anyway, so I think it really does come down to wanting the Dodgers and using the fail media to drive up his price tag even if he intended to defer it anyway…it’s a super unique situation for probably only ever this particular player.

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  4. dmick89

    What I wonder is how much Ohtani would have cost without the deferral. I would have guessed $550-570. I figured the injury cost him $30-50 million and I think I was estimating his contract on the high end compared to some others I had read.

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  6. andcounting

    Rice Cube,

    I just don’t think he really did drive up his price tag. They drove up the overall number, but he really did structure his contract like a mortgage with a balloon payment setup. And I don’t think he hid the injury so much as he mitigated the impact of it on the optics of the numbers. He asked to be paid in oranges but asking everyone “How you like them apples?”

    dmick89: If I wanted to win a championship, I’d probably sign with the Dodgers. If I really wanted to win a championship, I’d offer to defer most of salary and sign with the Dodgers. I could be wrong, but I think it just boils down to that. Bonus points for not having to move.

    Yeah, I get it. It’s a wily, pragmatic move, but it’s a lower degree of difficulty move that makes whatever championship he ends up getting pretty weaksauce. I just don’t respect it at all.

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  7. andcounting

    dmick89,

    The number I’ve been seeing is that this contract is similar in value to a ~$470 million standard contract. It seems like the same math used to calculate a loan, but I lack the patience to read through the details (dying laughing).

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  8. andcounting

    Rice Cube: What I’m more wondering is whether CA can get their tax money even if Ohtani moves out of state when he’s done playing

    I doubt it will change much. You typically have to pay taxes to the locality where you earned your money. But who knows what the tax code will look like in ten years.

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    Rice Cube

    andcounting,

    I felt like the consensus was that if he hadn’t been injured, he gets to $600MM easily, but since he might never pitch again, he’s only worth $500MM (dying laughing)

    Except now it’s like $460MM in current money, but after a certain amount of money it’s just for bragging rights, I certainly don’t know how to spend that much money…and I feel like if I am the person I am, I’d probably give a bunch of it away anyway because I definitely don’t want a huge house or whatever because I hate cleaning

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  10. Perkins

    Between the 300 save column and learning that Lou Brock never had a 6 bWAR season, today was brutal.

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    Rice Cube

    SFG uses some of the money they might have given Belli to get a KBO star

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    Rice Cube

    Re: Ohtani, Baggs also reports that Farhan Zaidi said they offered the same deal as Ohtani wanted with the Dodgers but he simply chose the Dodgers, makes you wonder if the Cubs gave it a try too

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    Rice Cube

    Pending the rumored Glasnow trade I believe our next podcast should be titled “Fuck the Dodgers”

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  42. BVS

    Rice Cube:
    andcounting,

    If they sign Stroman which they were rumored to have checked in with, they might have a pretty good rotation, possibly the best in that division

    Meh. Assuming they re-sign Greinke, they’d have him, Stroman, Lugo, Cole Ragans, Brady Singer, Bassitt (who is mostly a RP) and Jordan Lyles. That looks like 1 #2, 2 #3s, and 4 #7s. I’ll take both Min and Detroit over KC still, especially Detroit.

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  49. dmick89

    I usually laugh whenever someone says “that’s bad for baseball.” Doesn’t matter what it is, but this Ohtani contract, that’s bad for baseball. I don’t see how it can possibly be good for the sport. I think I’d have said the same thing if only half the contract was deferred.

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  50. andcounting

    dmick89,

    If I had to argue how it could be good for the sport (like in debate team or something) I would say it could encourage the league to do a better job promoting individual players so they too could get endorsements at a rate that would make deferred contracts more appealing. Maybe argue that having an evil empire is good for baseball and the Yankees have dropped the ball in that regard.

    But having the league’s best player join the dark side and actively recruit an international super team (might as well build the Death Star while they’re at it) just feels like the kind of thing that (if the Dodgers do win it all) will make people lose interest and trust in the game.

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  58. Smokestack Lightning

    BVS:
    Rice Cube,

    I don’t get it. Maybe because I’ve never gotten whatever network plays Breaking Bad, (dying laughing).

    I hear you can get it on VHS if you know where to look.

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  59. Smokestack Lightning

    dmick89: If I wanted to win a championship, I’d probably sign with the Dodgers.

    Yeah. From a free agent standpoint, outside of prohibitive overbidding, I’m having a hard time these days figuring out how the Cubs can lure any top-tier free agent unless teams like the Dodgers, Yankees, et al, decline to chase. I just don’t see any advantages the Cubs possess these days.

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    Rice Cube

    Smokestack Lightning: Yeah. From a free agent standpoint, outside of prohibitive overbidding, I’m having a hard time these days figuring out how the Cubs can lure any top-tier free agent unless teams like the Dodgers, Yankees, et al, decline to chase. I just don’t see any advantages the Cubs possess these days.

    Chicago is a cool city and is cheaper to live on than the other two

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  61. Perkins

    Rice Cube: Chicago is a cool city and is cheaper to live on than the other two

    I’d probably take Chicago over LA, but in the US it’s really New York or nowhere for me. I do get why some professional athletes might not want to deal with the media here…or the meatball fans who seem both dumber and louder than most places.

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  74. Perkins

    berselius:
    Perkins,

    I’d take pretty much any decent sized city over LA (dying laughing)

    For what it’s worth I don’t consider LA a city. It’s more the urban equivalent of several kids on each other’s shoulders and wearing a trench coat.

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    Rice Cube

    Glasnow gets four more years on top of the $25MM he’s due in 2024

    Good luck

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    Rice Cube

    Boy it’s sure lucky they won the World Series before this

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    Rice Cube

    dmick89,

    It’s about the time of year they signed Lester and Heyward but lots of other teams besides the Royals haven’t done much yet. On the one hand it would be stupid not to do anything. On the other hand, it’s the Cubs

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  87. Smokestack Lightning

    dmick89:
    The Cubs aren’t going to do anything, are they?

    Craig Counsell is the Ohtani of managers. Pretty sure they don’t need to do anything else.

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  91. Perkins

    Unimpressive rarity today, though half of it was my BOS GG. Surprised to see Tony all the way up at 10% where I used him.

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