We haven’t talked a lot about what the Cubs need to do this offseason. When the season ended they were without a GM so it made no sense. After they hired Theo and he assembled his front office it was difficult to know which direction the Cubs may go. There have been indications they’re willing to trade anybody and everybody, but there also have been indications the Cubs will be buyers as they’ve reportedly shown interest in Albert Pujols and Prince Fielder. In past years I was comfortable in writing about what the Cubs can, need or should do because I was familiar with Jim Hendry. I’m somewhat familiar with Theo Epstein, but this is a situation unlike any team he fielded in Boston. It may actually be more informative to look at what Jed Hoyer did a year into his GM job with the Padres. They were sellers.
I don’t see the Cubs having a fire sale. They don’t have the talent that would net them much in return if they had one. It’s also a large market team with a lot of money to spend so a fire sale is always going to be unlikely. But trading a player here or there may help them accomplish two goals: building the farm system and allowing them more payroll flexibility to get better at the MLB level. I think we’ll see that, which is why we’ve heard rumors about the Cubs being willing to trade Matt Garza and that they’re interested in someone like Pujols or Fielder.
So instead of talking about what the Cubs might do based on any historical context, I’m going to talk about what the Cubs have to do to field a team next year. Not necessarily a team that will contend, but the Cubs do have to have 25 guys on opening day who can play baseball.
Everyday Position Players
The Cubs have Geovany Soto behind the plate and at least a couple non-Koyie Hill options to back-up. They have Welington Castillo and Steve Clevenger who would make league minimum and can’t possibly be less valuable than Hill. Soto had a poor year at the plate last year and the projections see him as an average hitting catcher, which is pretty damn good for the position.
Carlos Pena was offered arbitration and will more than likely decline. Assumig he is gone, which is what the Cubs are thinking, they have fill 1st base. Bryan LaHair is the only realistic in-house option. The free agent market does have two exciting names in Pujols in Fielder. It’s hard for me to imagine that the Cubs acquire either of them. My guess is that they acquire a right-handed platoon player and go with whoever that is and Bryan LaHair.
Darwin Barney became a fan favorite early in the season last year, but as the season progressed his bat was almost nonexistent. The Cubs currently have a potential platoon ready for 2nd base in Jeff Baker and Blake DeWitt. I’m guessing one or both of them is traded and I’m going to say the Cubs sign free agent Kelly Johnson. Johnson earned $5.85 million a year ago and while he didn’t come close to matching the .377 wOBA, 5.9 WAR season he had in 2010, he was still worth 2.2 fWAR last year. His wOBA was .316, which was a bit below average, but Total Zone thinks he’s been a very good fielder in his career and UZR agrees with that over the last couple years. Bill James projects a .336 wOBA. With some good defense he could easily be worth 3 WAR next year. He’ll probably come at a discount too. It’s unlikely he’ll cost about $15 million over 3 years, which is what he’s worth. He could probably be had for a 3-year deal for $24 million or so.
Aramis Ramirez‘s long career with the Cubs is about to come to an official end. He was also offered arbitration, but will turn it down. The same potential 2nd base platoon of Baker and DeWitt is an option here. The free agent market for 3rd basemen is weak to say the least. If the Cubs fill this position by anyone not already a Cub it will more than likely be through a trade. I’m kind of surprised we haven’t heard more about 3rd base. I think it’s more of a hole than 1st base. Filling Ramirez’s shoes isn’t going to happen, but I do expect whoever mans that position will be a much better fielder than Ramirez and presumably a much better baserunner.
While the Cubs are reportedly willing to trade anyone, they’d have to get an offer they can’t refuse to trade Starlin Castro. That’s probably not going to happen. I wouldn’t be too surprised if the Cubs started working on a long-term contract with Castro after the arbitration eligible players are all taken care of. I think we’ll hear more about that when spring training starts.
I’m going to skip left field for now and point out that CF and RF are filled for the time being. It’s possible the Cubs look into trading Marlon Byrd, but I’d be surprised if that happens. Byrd is still worth more than he’s being paid and so is recently signed free agent David DeJesus.
I think Alfonso Soriano will be traded. They are reportedly willing to eat a sizable chunk of the money owed to him over the next 3 years. Some team will take a shot. I think we’ll see Brett Jackson in CF on Opening Day and Marlon Byrd will shift to LF. If not the first game of the season, I think the plan is to have Jackson up no later than the middle of May. I don’t expect the Cubs to sign any other outfielder. I think they trade Soriano and maybe stick Jeff Baker in LF for 6 weeks if Jackson doesn’t begin the season in Chicago.
Rotation
We’ve heard rumors that the Cubs are willing to trade Matt Garza and Randy Wells. I’m not sure either makes much sense, but if you get a good enough offer then they should. The rotation as of right now would be Matt Garza, Ryan Dempster, Carlos Zambrano, Randy Wells and a 5th starter. The 5th starter could be Andrew Cashner though I’m guessing he’s bullpen only at this point. It could also be Jeff Samardzija, but I think that would fail miserably. There was a rumor a couple weeks back that the Cubs were interested in Chris Capuano, which would have been a good signing, but he just signed with the Dodgers.
The Cubs don’t have any in-house options at the moment. Casey Coleman isn’t very good. The same is true of Jay Jackson. Trey McNutt had a poor year last year in AA so he has yet to prove he’s deserving of a spot in the big league rotation.
Mark Beuhrle is a free agent and was tied to the Cubs at one point. It’s hard to imagine him ever wearing a Cubs uniform, but he’s still a good pitcher. Roy Oswalt is a free agent and is also still good. CJ Wilson is the best free agent pitcher available. Brandon Webb was an elite starter, but missed the last two seasons and only threw 4 innings in 2009. He’s not anybody you could count on, but he’s a guy I could see the Cubs taking a flyer on. Why not?
Yu Darvish is also likely to be posted in Japan, but will cost a lot of money. He’s still quite young for a Japanese player coming to the US and fits the profile of the free agent that Theo and Hoyer were talking about (still in their prime).
My guess is the Cubs make a run at Darvish, but fall short to the Red Sox. I’ll also guess they sign Buehrle and/or Oswalt. I still think Zambrano is traded so I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Cubs acquire a 5th starter type either.
Bullpen
Carlos Marmol and Sean Marshall are each returning and making up one of the better 8th/9th inning combos in baseball. Sean Marshall is actually the better pitcher and due to Marmol’s inconsistency I do expect we’ll see Marshall become the closer at some point in 2012. I also expect the Cubs to work out a long-term contract with Marshall before the season begins. When Theo was asked the other day about Marshall being a starter he said they weren’t going to move the best left-handed reliever in the game into the rotation. Marshall has one year left on his contract and I don’t think the Cubs want him to test free agency next year. Look for Marshall to be locked up through 2014 or 2015 by the time the season begins.
Jeff Samardzija’s numbers looked OK last year, but the walk rate is still quite high. Andrew Cashner is healthy and between the two of them they can take care of the 6th and 7th innings.
The Cubs have a number of other options including: Casey Coleman, James Russell, John Gaub, Marcos Mateo, Alberto Cabrera, Jeff Beliveau and Chris Carpenter. Russell actually fared quite well vs lefties last season. He struckout 7.1 per 9 and walked only 0.6 per 9 to give a 12 to 1 K/BB ratio.
Bench
The bench is always the last thing to put together and it depends on who the starters are. If Jeff Baker and/or Blake DeWitt find themselves being starter or part of a platoon, there will be other lesser bench players added. Jeff Baker can’t hit righties, but he hits lefties very well. I’d like the Cubs to hold onto him, but won’t be surprised if he’s traded. Darwin Barney would be better off being a bench player. He could play some SS on occasion, fill in at 2nd and maybe even fill in at 3rd base. He’s a good fielder too so a late inning replacement is always a good thing to have around. In the outfield the Cubs have Tony Campana, but unless he can get on base he has almost no value and he can’t get on base. Despite that, I feel confident in saying he’s as valuable or more valuable in LF than Alfonso Soriano.
Depth
I had planned to write more in depth about this, but let’s face it, the Cubs just don’t have much of this and it’s not something you can just buy on the free agent market. Theo talked about needing to have 9 starters and the Cubs are lucky to have 4 right now. Finding another 5 isn’t something you can just make happen. I expect at least 2 starters will be signed for the big league club and we’ll begin to hear talk about how Jay Jackson could provide some innings if needed. That’s not going to be a good thing. Even if we include Casey Coleman and hope that Trey McNutt turns a corner, I’m not sure anyone can say the depth at rotation is anything but poor. it’s going to take time to build that depth and right now the Cubs farm system just doens’t have it.
The organization has plenty of relievers, but what organization doesn’t?
As for position player depth, the Cubs have Brett Jackson who is at least the third best outfielder in the Cubs organization right now. Matt Szczur was added to the 40-man roster, but he’s a year or two away. If you look at the top prospect lists for the Cubs you see that a lot of these guys are aways away from making an impact.
The Cubs can fill some holes and create a stronger bench, but depth isn’t something that’s going to be a strenght for this organization for awhile. If a starter goes down you’re going to get the likes of Tony Campana and DJ LeMahieu filling spots on the bench.
Comments
Yeesh. Orton comes in for one play, Major Wright breaks his finger. Welcome home, Kyle.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
Denver offense: 47 yards, 1 turnover, 1 safety, still winning. (dying laughing)
GBTSQuote Reply
[quote name=GBTS]Denver offense: 47 yards, 1 turnover, 1 safety, still winning. (dying laughing)[/quote]They’re magic.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
Who is giving Kelly Johnson a 3 year deal at 24m? Hendry is no longer a GM. I think he signs somewhere for 2/14 if not a 1 year deal. If thoyer manages to move Z and garza I think the team grabs Jackson and Kuroda if not one of them regardless.
JManQuote Reply
(dying laughing) @ KC Pachinko
Rice CubeQuote Reply
This game is unfathomable.
GBTSQuote Reply
The KC players better pad up before the second half, because that Bears defense is going to come out hitting.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
Remember when the Bairz were good? Feels like ages ago
bubblesdachimpQuote Reply
[quote name=bubblesdachimp]Remember when the Bairz were good? Feels like ages ago[/quote]
…. or two weeks ago?I can’t read, I see what you mean.
GBTSQuote Reply
Hanie can pass…
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]Hanie can pass…[/quote]False. Bad idea to pass, even though the INT was more unfortunate than anything.
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[quote name=JMan]Who is giving Kelly Johnson a 3 year deal at 24m? Hendry is no longer a GM. I think he signs somewhere for 2/14 if not a 1 year deal. If thoyer manages to move Z and garza I think the team grabs Jackson and Kuroda if not one of them regardless.[/quote]You’re probably right. I was just figuring he’s been worth about 10 rWAR over the last 4 years so he was a good bet to be worth 6 over the next 3. Probably more.
mb21Quote Reply
Roy Williams is washed up. Cut him.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
Looking at Kelly Johnson more, I still think 3/24 is a solid deal. I haven’t paid any attention to what other teams may be offering so if it’s much less than that then it’s based on something I know nothing about it. He’s basically a 3 WAR player next year.
2012: 3 WAR
2013: 2.5
2014: 2.0
Total: 7.5 WAR
Win values of $4.8 million, $5.0 million and $5.3 million. 7.5 WAR and an average win value of $5 million is over $35 million.
Like I said though, if teams are only offering 2/10 or something then he won’t get 3/24, but based on his projected value he’s worth more than $24 million over 3 years.
mb21Quote Reply
Start with 2.5 WAR and you get 6 WAR overall. Still worth $30 million.
Start with 2 WAR and you have 4.5 WAR total. That’s worth $22.5 million over 3 years. Is there some kind of injury or something? Hard for me to believe that he won’t get 3-year offers for north of $20 million. Wouldn’t even surprise me if he got a 3/30 deal.
mb21Quote Reply
I could see Johnson getting a deal similar to Bradley’s
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
(dying laughing) @ Vikings
Rice CubeQuote Reply
The NFL is so fucking watered down now that it’s barely watchable.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
Brian Billick just favorably compared Tim Tebow to Ben Rothlisberger as a passer. In other news, Bliick thinks my career as a blogger makes him think of a young Ernest Hemingway.
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[quote name=mb21]Looking at Kelly Johnson more, I still think 3/24 is a solid deal. I haven’t paid any attention to what other teams may be offering so if it’s much less than that then it’s based on something I know nothing about it. He’s basically a 3 WAR player next year.
2012: 3 WAR
2013: 2.5
2014: 2.0
Total: 7.5 WAR
Win values of $4.8 million, $5.0 million and $5.3 million. 7.5 WAR and an average win value of $5 million is over $35 million.
Like I said though, if teams are only offering 2/10 or something then he won’t get 3/24, but based on his projected value he’s worth more than $24 million over 3 years.[/quote]I don’t disagree. In fact he’s likely underrated due to his up and down seasons. Just looking at the market I’m not sure any team will offer more than 2 years. It’s an opportunity for the cubs to strike. I bet a 2 year 16m deal with a 3rd year option will be close to what he gets.
JManQuote Reply
[quote name=JMan]I don’t disagree. In fact he’s likely underrated due to his up and down seasons. Just looking at the market I’m not sure any team will offer more than 2 years. It’s an opportunity for the cubs to strike. I bet a 2 year 16m deal with a 3rd year option will be close to what he gets.[/quote]Agreed. When you put it that way, it almost seems foolish not to try.
Mercurial OutfielderQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Agreed. When you put it that way, it almost seems foolish not to try.[/quote]He also plays LF just in case a spot opens.
JManQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]The NFL is so fucking watered down now that it’s barely watchable.[/quote]THIS.
I really have trouble getting into the NFL anymore because of that. My interest declined because the Raiders started sucking at football nearly a decade ago, but I just can’t get back into it.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=JMan]I don’t disagree. In fact he’s likely underrated due to his up and down seasons. Just looking at the market I’m not sure any team will offer more than 2 years. It’s an opportunity for the cubs to strike. I bet a 2 year 16m deal with a 3rd year option will be close to what he gets.[/quote]That would be awesome if they could get that type of deal. Maybe a 2-year deal for a guaranteed $16 million with a $10 million vesting option for the 3rd year. I like it.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=JMan]He also plays LF just in case a spot opens.[/quote]And perhaps more importantly, he’s bats left-handed. He’s hit 47 home runs the last 2 years.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=mb21]And perhaps more importantly, he’s bats left-handed. He’s hit 47 home runs the last 2 years.[/quote]They may be able to then cash in on Barney’s perceived value. You know some team overvalues him.
JManQuote Reply
I see Alvin is writing game recaps of 20 year old games now.
Suburban kidQuote Reply
[quote name=Suburban kid]I see Alvin is writing game recaps of 20 year old games now.
It’s like a Hollywood remake.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
Aaron Rodgers is a very good QB.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]Aaron Rodgers is a very good QB.[/quote]Too bad it appeared his receiver failed him.
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[quote name=Rice Cube]Too bad it appeared his receiver failed him.[/quote]False.
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[quote name=Rice Cube]False.[/quote]Sorry to interrupt your monologue RC… How the fuck was that a catch.
WaLiQuote Reply
[quote name=WaLi]Sorry to interrupt your monologue RC… How the fuck was that a catch.[/quote]Yeah, I thought it would be overturned, but the NFL sometimes doesn’t know its own rules.
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[quote name=Rice Cube].[/quote](insert Obama joke here)
It’s hard to say. It seems like his WAR has started dropping off (comparitively speaking) since he hit 30. What would be the difference if he was a year older? Would we expect a sharper decline?
WaLiQuote Reply
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder] Bliick thinks my career as a blogger makes him think of a young Ernest Hemingway.[/quote]
Just keep drinking and sleeping with nurses, you’re well on your way.
BerseliusQuote Reply
[quote name=WaLi](insert Obama joke here)
It’s hard to say. It seems like his WAR has started dropping off (comparitively speaking) since he hit 30. What would be the difference if he was a year older? Would we expect a sharper decline?[/quote]Harry Pav made a good point on twitter that Pujols is a US citizen so his birth cert. paperwork should be easy to validate.
JManQuote Reply
GB defense sucks.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]GB defense sucks.[/quote]But their offense more than makes up for it
WaLiQuote Reply
[quote name=WaLi]But their offense more than makes up for it[/quote]Correct.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=WaLi](insert Obama joke here)
It’s hard to say. It seems like his WAR has started dropping off (comparitively speaking) since he hit 30. What would be the difference if he was a year older? Would we expect a sharper decline?[/quote]
I don’t know if the difference (if there is one) would be a year. I’m guessing it would be more like 3 or 4, but yeah, I’d hope his age can be verified pretty easily if he’s a US citizen.
Aisle424Quote Reply
looking like Reyes ——-> Marlins
BerseliusQuote Reply
That probably means Pujols will sign elsewheres.
ACTQuote Reply
Cubs are apparently interested in Chase Headley (whom I like).
ACTQuote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]looking like Reyes ——-> Marlins[/quote]Officially official?
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http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/ny-mets-jose-reyes-free-agent-bidding-sources-marlins-100-million-offer-shortstop-article-1.986662
ACTQuote Reply
Can’t say I feel sorry for Oklahoma State, considering they lost to Iowa State. They should be banished, much less playing in a BCS game.
GBTSQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]Officially official?[/quote]It’s still in the “irresponsible rumor” stage.
ACTQuote Reply
[quote name=GBTS]Can’t say I feel sorry for Oklahoma State, considering they lost to Iowa State. They should be banished, much less playing in a BCS game.[/quote]
meh, makes it profoundly less interesting. the whole point of bowl games is to get good teams from opposing conferences to play each other, since they sure as hell never do it in the regular season.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/21/magazine/21fob-gofigure-t.html
GWQuote Reply
Looks like the Fish and Reyes agreed to a deal. http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/04/report-marlins-go-to-111-million-in-bid-for-jose-reyes/related
ACTQuote Reply
[quote name=ACT]Looks like the Fish and Reyes agreed to a deal. http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/04/report-marlins-go-to-111-million-in-bid-for-jose-reyes/related%5B/quote%5DTheo can haz Hanley?
GBTSQuote Reply
http://twitter.com/#!/jaysonst/status/143533149316591616
what is this i don’t even
ACTQuote Reply
[quote name=ACT]http://twitter.com/#!/jaysonst/status/143533149316591616what is this i don’t even[/quote]This tweet was so good ACT cut his response short.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/what-is-this-i-dont-even
ACTQuote Reply
I do wonder where the Marlins suddenly found all this random money.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]I do wonder where the Marlins suddenly found all this random money.[/quote]You can thank the taxpayers for that.
ACTQuote Reply
Pujols stuff:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/12/cubs-will-try-for-albert-pujols.html?utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=twitterfeed
Sounds like they might try the Aisley plan.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
I wonder if Pujols, being a lifetime Cardinal, would need extra incentive to join the Cubs.
ACTQuote Reply
[quote name=ACT]I wonder if Pujols, being a lifetime Cardinal, would need extra incentive to join the Cubs.[/quote]
what did you have in mind?
GWQuote Reply
Nothing specific. I was just wondering if it would cost more to get him to come to a division rival, or if he’s just going to the highest bidder.
ACTQuote Reply
oh. sounded like you were hatching a scheme
GWQuote Reply
[quote name=ACT]I wonder if Pujols, being a lifetime Cardinal, would need extra incentive to join the Cubs.[/quote]you offer 6/162M you are only 40M less which offered by the Cardinals despite being 3 years shorter. I honestly think the Cardinals are kind of hoping Pujols doesn’t re-sign only because he’ll end up taking more than 25% of their payroll.
JManQuote Reply
[quote name=ACT]http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/what-is-this-i-dont-even[/quote]good meme
Suburban kidQuote Reply
[quote name=mb21]That would be awesome if they could get that type of deal. Maybe a 2-year deal for a guaranteed $16 million with a $10 million vesting option for the 3rd year. I like it.[/quote]Sounds like a good deal, but looking up some info about him there’s two things that are puzzling me:
1. Why was 2011 so bad? AVG/OBP are a bit too mendozaish for my taste. 2010 was obviously much better, but still.
2. Why does Baseball reference list his WAR for 2010 and 2011 as 4.2 and 1.1, while fangraphs has him at 5.9 and 2.2 WAR for the last 2 years?
DamageControlFreakQuote Reply
After SF OLB Aldon Smith earned his 9.5 sack yesterday, I thought it would be fun to reflect on this blog’s take on SF taking Smith No. 7 overall.
DJ (during the draft):
What I said (pre-draft):
Me (post-draft):
Then I stick my hand up DJ’s ass and make him say:
Dr. Aneus TaintQuote Reply
(dying laughing)
Best sack celebration ever.
Dr. Aneus TaintQuote Reply
(dying laughing)
Bears are still the #5 in the NFC.
GBTSQuote Reply
[quote name=GBTS](dying laughing)
Bears are still the #5 in the NFC.[/quote]
The NFC should just vacate the two wild card spots.
BerseliusQuote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]The NFC should just vacate the two wild card spots.[/quote]Sorry, we can’t all be 12-0.
WaLiQuote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]The NFC should summarily dismiss the two wild card spots until the Eagles get in.[/quote].
GBTSQuote Reply
[quote name=WaLi]Sorry, we can’t all be 12-0.[/quote]
The Bears would be if they tried harder and Jay Cutler was a better leader.
/Chicago media
BerseliusQuote Reply
~30 minutes to Santo announcement.
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[quote name=DamageControlFreak]Sounds like a good deal, but looking up some info about him there’s two things that are puzzling me:
1. Why was 2011 so bad? AVG/OBP are a bit too mendozaish for my taste. 2010 was obviously much better, but still.
2. Why does Baseball reference list his WAR for 2010 and 2011 as 4.2 and 1.1, while fangraphs has him at 5.9 and 2.2 WAR for the last 2 years?[/quote]A different baseline is used, Fangraphs uses wOBA while BRef uses batting runs, Fangraphs uses UZR while BRef uses Total Zone. If you’re going to look at both you may as well average the two and call it good enough.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=GBTS](dying laughing)
Bears are still the #5 in the NFC.[/quote]
I think NYG hops DAL by the end of the season, so do you think CHI can hold off ATL, DAL and DET?
Dr. Aneus TaintQuote Reply
[quote name=Dr. Aneus Taint]Do you think CHI can hold off ATL, DAL and DET?[/quote]
GBTSQuote Reply
[quote name=Dr. Aneus Taint]I think NYG hops DAL by the end of the season, so do you think CHI can hold off ATL, DAL and DET?[/quote]I think the Bears have the tiebreaker vs all 3 of those teams. So they would have to finish with a better record.
Considering the Bears won’t win another game since the Bears can’t even beat fucking KC due to our inept QB (and possibly Forte hurt), then there is a good chance that the Bears will not be in the playoffs.
I think DAL will win their division, WC are DET and ATL. NYG looked good yesterday, but they still lost.
WaLiQuote Reply
you were indeed right about Smith. But I was right about the niners being for real earlier this season when you were down on them. So suck it
dylanjQuote Reply
As for why he struggled, his BABIP was pretty low and he struckout a lot more than he had. We can expect both to regress to the mean.
Also, new shit up: http://obstructedview.net/chicago-cubs/articles/winter-meetings-day-1-open-thread.html
mb21Quote Reply
Announcement: http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?topic_id=7270758
GBTSQuote Reply
Better late than never, right?
Congratulations to Ron Santo. I’m sure he’s clicking his heels wherever he is.
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